I do so much better flying solo

alt30313 · 2013-11-21T00:04:31+00:00

What are your guy's thoughts on flying solo

Do what works for you but consider making some new quality friends that elevate your game and life.

puaSenator · 2013-11-21T01:04:11+00:00

Solo is great. Not only do you have to not worry about wingmen not doing well, but you aren't restricted to carrying deadweight around or ensuring you both agree on doing something.

The biggest benefit is the sink or swim effect. You simply HAVE to talk and approach people. You have no choice. When you are with a buddy, it's easy to just BS and talk and/or use each other's company as an excuse to not take action.

Mr_Bell · 2013-11-21T00:10:23+00:00

I know exactly what you're saying, but I haven't tried this yet. So I guess my contribution can only be a question:

I get the feeling that if I showed up at a bar or club or whatever alone I'd be seen as a weirdo with no friends. Or even worse. I get the feeling that I'd drop the "I'm just hanging with my frinds and happend to bump into you, lady" veneer and look more like "I'm clearly just here to pick some pussy up".

Am I overthinking the whole thing?

VZPurp · 2013-11-21T01:15:53+00:00

I prefer going out solo. I find most of my friends always get stuck with an in-group mentality. They end up not meeting new people even when surrounded by so many. The larger the group I go out with, the more rigid they become.

Nevertheless, if I'm going out and want to meet new people, I don't let any person or group I'm with hold me back. I just branch out, start opening as if I were solo, then introduce them to my friends when applicable.

I actually find it a bit amusing how large crowds of people can have approach anxiety - stuck talking to familiar faces most of the time.

Luckyluke23 · 2013-11-21T03:42:07+00:00

thoughts on going out solo for someone who has been solo the past 6 months.

it's hard. the only person you have to reply on is YOURSELF. though, I do have a few guys who go out every weekend who I can meet up with, so. it helps. but I hardly ever have a wing with me. most of the time I have to find one of them and tell them to open a set with me haha.

don't worry about your friends. if you are anything like me.. you will pretty much drop there chodey asses and move on with your life. also.

GET INTO PICK UP IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

though i really don't think this is the subreddit to be talking about pickup so much

_DirtyYoungMan_ · 2013-11-21T06:35:23+00:00

All of my best pickups have been solo. It gives you the freedom to operate at your own pace and frame and if you want to change venues there is no need to consult anyone. And I've found that more often than not girls are actually impressed you're out by yourself.

[deleted] · 2013-11-21T01:18:38+00:00

Wingmen are just one of many options. For some people, its a great advantage. For others its just an impairment. Its all good :)

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[deleted] · 2013-11-21T01:53:12+00:00

i agree. you have an excuse to stay in your comfort zone when your friends are with you, and you won't mingle with strangers as much. also, tending and waiting on an entourage can limit your mobility. i work in downtown Denver, and over the last year i've found that it's fun going out by myself after work and listen to stranger's stories and outlooks on life. besides, people seem to be impressed when you're secure and brave enough to go out and socialize without the need familiar moral support.

shit man, i met a crazy young mortician who specialized in child deaths last weekend while i was out drinking lattes and beer after work. she's one of the most interesting people i've met this year, and i probably wouldn't have chatted with her if i was out with a friend because we would have been getting shithammered while talking about women instead of actually meeting new people. now i have a new friend an easy in to meet her friends.

EarnestMalware · 2013-11-21T03:08:20+00:00

Honestly, solo is the only way I learned how to fly and the only way I know how. No one I grew up around would do anything but try and shoot you down. I knew plenty of guys whose entire game consisted of putting the guys around him down to try and puff himself up. Yonkers, NY: You can't trust fuckin nobody.

trudatness · 2013-11-21T03:57:02+00:00

I always had a higher rate of success when I went out on a solo mission.

However, I did have buddies who were cool as shit and knew how to pull pussy using teamwork.

lookiamapollo · 2013-11-21T05:08:57+00:00

I have this too, my friends aren't good at playing wingmen. I do my duty when its them trying to hook up with a girl...

I don't really know how to do that usually I just attend events/activites and chirp people there and chit chat, or I run into someone I know and they introduce me and I meet people that way.

I suck at bar/club game though. Do you mostly do that?

atlas87 · 2013-11-21T05:17:58+00:00

I have been out with a lot of weak wings but it really doesn't affect what I'm doing. If a girl I'm talking with says something as overt as "your friend is being creepy" I would pass it like every other shit test ... agree and amplify. "Yeah we're brothers and this is our first time out of our mom's basement in over a year." Something like that. If he sucks he'll just blow himself out and walk away. Encourage him, maybe open a real easy set with some fat chicks to build a home base where you can drop him off.

I went out with a wing for a while where we would PURPOSELY blow each other's shit up as a way to push ourselves to deal with this shit. Try to steal girls from each other, tell girls that the other was married with kids and his wife has been blowing up my phone, that he's a male prostitute, has AIDS, etc. This was in a large club environment and coming in hard and picking girls up and walking away with them was congruent. Obviously sub-optimal but it demonstrated that wings don't fucking matter. In that situation I would hold my frame, tell her he's clearly a homeless person, and walk away with her.

The optimal situation when going out is with a group >10 guys/girls that aren't going to really notice or care if you walk away for an hour, and just use them as a home-base to come back and re-charge with.

No_DOX_for_you · 2013-11-21T06:00:41+00:00

Depends on the guy really. I used to wing with this guy who was waaaay too outgoing for me. Not to mention we looked fairly similar, cept he was a bit more built.

Completely killed my game. I would always fall in his shadow. Also, he was kind of an ass. Too much AMOGing.

My new partner is the best bro I've ever had. For one thing, we're very contrasting. He's 5'6", blonde hair, blue eyes, and white skin. He's got kind of a Justin Bieber look going on. I'm 6"1', black hair, and olive skin. I'm more of a Joseph Gordon Levitt. I have to imagine this makes us look pretty exotic.

Point being, if you can find a wingman that contrasts you well it'll give you guys an overall SMV boost.

Beyond that though, you really have to be in tune with the guy. Me and my wing have great chemistry (no homo) but I'd say if you can't find someone you REALLY click with you probably are better off alone.

torn_paper_heart · 2013-11-21T08:46:38+00:00

You'll do better flying solo, but you will be much more motivated with a wingman.

As in, most wingmen suck - it's next to impossible to find a good wingman who raises your value without trying to steal the show, but it's a lot harder to go out alone. It's way more fun and easy to me to go out with a guy I like. Makes it fun. We challenge one another and push one another into sets. But I can't count how many sets I've had my buddy fuck up in some way (usually able to recover, but still it's annoying).

A good way to do it is to go out with a few guys you enjoy being around, but go into set alone. Then, you can go lone wolf but outside of sets have fun with them, and they are around to compare notes and text or whatever if you need someone to come in and help.

FeedTheFish · 2013-11-21T02:38:34+00:00

I definitely think it's good to be able to approach without a wingman, it shows confidence. On the other hand, if your wingmen are decent (idk about yours though..."being fucking weird" usually drops the team doe) then it can make for a fun time. But IMO wingmen are more of a burden, because you have to worry about balancing them into the conversation you're trying to have with the girl.

Title	I do so much better flying solo
Author	jobs33ker
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Date	November 20, 2013 11:59 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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