Orbiters broke my frame.

Omega_3 · 2016-10-15T22:32:32+00:00

Probably the other thing you should've done is isolated her from these dickheads once you had built a bit of rapport. Tell her you're going for a smoke or getting some fresh air with a side nod and unimpressed look to the group of orbiters.

It's pretty cringey thinking of 3 guys following this girl around the bar, listening to her having conversations with other guys. Having them there is a massive handicap on your game, i wouldn't put up with it. Move her away or ditch her.

TheRedStoic · 2016-10-16T00:34:26+00:00

Beta's are traffic cones to ignore, until they swing at you.

Don't worry about it. You were rattled, now you're more experienced. In this situation don't AA, just ignore and do what you're doing. She was leaning in, so she was ignoring it too.

MattyAnon · 2016-10-15T22:55:45+00:00

I just let myself get thwarted by a bunch of orbiters

Make life easy for yourself in future and befriend them.

Jakei34 · 2016-10-15T22:30:22+00:00

Honestly, that could have been avoided if you isolated her from her ass sniffing pack of orbiters.

Expectations1 · 2016-10-16T00:12:09+00:00

The orbiters were probably your usual AFCs who stand around at a bar get a drink then watch girls going "naah shes not even a 7" when they wouldnt evenbhave the balls to approach said 7. Then when a 10 comes along they all go "whoaaa" but all are in agreement and find flaws in the 10 like "only goes for jocks" etc to avoid approaching the 10. They go home empty handed, drunk, and call it a good night.

Good on you OP for trying and you probably couldve approached her later in the night alone, remember girls always have a reputation to uphold so when a group of guys calls you out like that, take your losses and isolate her later in the night. Say some wishy washy stuff like "whoever you want me to be".

KFMDL · 2016-10-16T04:24:31+00:00

i would have bailed on her for having orbiters. chicks with orbiters are dickheads

virusofthemind · 2016-10-16T10:10:41+00:00

If they are "Orbiters" then expose the matrix. Say "Hey dude, if you like her then man up and make a move".

my_orange_confusion · 2016-10-16T00:14:02+00:00

Classic shit testing. There's a guide that's linked in the "top: all-time" search on this sub, which should be mandatory reading (it's a long one, though):

http://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/

In this situation, my takeaway would be, that you need to immediately gauge who is the "alpha" and the "omega" in her group of orbiters. It's possible (though not 100%) that the alpha was the one testing you, but it may have been someone else, looking to score some points in the group. Knowing the alpha and omega is useful for many reasons.

For example, the alpha should be the main target of your own shit-talking, and never the omega (this backfires in the form of group sympathy: you're picking on the weak one). On the other hand, you could sow some confusion and discord in the ranks by working to befriend the omega off the bat. Most importantly, though, you've got to keep up your outsider status with regard to the orbiters: play lip service to their game, but keep it detached and dismissive.

Randomshortdude · 2016-10-16T02:01:07+00:00

Why didn't you lead her away from those guys? That should've been move #1. Could've avoided the whole "orbiter"'situation.

cooperpl · 2016-10-16T11:17:36+00:00

Would be better if instead of the "nobody" line which makes you sound like a passive-agressive bitch boy you introduced yourself in a smiling manner. Like: "oh hello I didn't notice you guys earlier smile I'm xyz". You should at least try to make friends with everyone. I did that with some of LTRs orbiters and they cowered and never bothered me later.

VicVineger16 · 2016-10-15T22:21:22+00:00

I had a similar experience, but mine ended in a fight.

I was at a bar, hitting a a cute girl who was a regular there because people kept coming up to greet her.

Well, as I'm stepping up the kino on her, one of her orbiters come up, grabs my shoulder and says, "who even are you?!"

I turn and say, "it doesn't matter who I am, why don't you worry about you, and turn back to the girl.

He grabbed my shoulder again, so this time I stood up, punched him, and left. I practice boxing for fitness so my well placed punch set him down. It's been almost a month since that incident and I haven't returned to that bar.

It's all about setting your boundaries. A woman interested in you is going to shit-test you, and you set the boundary that you won't tolerate it, that's what leads you to passing the test. Men will also shit test you, and if you don't set the boundary for what is acceptable, they'll run you off with it.

odenby · 2016-10-16T03:56:45+00:00

If you felt like you were in with her and that these other guys were just orbiters, why did your frame break?

Maybe when she gave a slight signal of paying attention to the orbiters' nonsense, your frame broke because you had started reacting to her? I feel like usually when the frame breaks, if you analyze what had led up to it there's a point earlier in time when your frame slipped and you began to react to the environment, but you might not have consciously realized it. Even when the lack of frame is not consciously apparent, one can often feel it in the body like a sort of hollowness and franticness.

deci-mator · 2016-10-16T19:34:25+00:00

From what I see your biggest mistake was not isolating this girl. From the moment you saw her with her squad, isolation should have been the m.o. it's clear she wanted your dick. Having known that. You should have proceeded with isolation to a seduction spot and escalated. A simple drink or smoke would be enough for her to hamster away, leaving her friends. In fact once they started with the "ooohhh" you should have amoged or just played it off nonchalantly and isolated. It's good you broke your frame though . Now you know how to handle this scenario should you find yourself in a similar situation.

johker · 2016-10-16T01:08:42+00:00

That "nobody" line is kinda milady cringe worthy. Anyways, dust yourself off. This is a great learning experience so next time you wouldn't be caught with the deer in headlights look.

JJMcgray · 2016-10-16T01:49:53+00:00

Why didn't you just tell them to fuck off and go jerk one another?

Not sure what "the rule" is for dealing with nosey people, but I don't tolerate that.

I don't know you, I am not talking to you, mind your fucking business.

Why did they think they could pull this shit with you in the first place? Are you some kinda skinny dude that looks weak or something?

Edit

From the comments, it seems like these guys were her friends. So perhaps telling them to fuck off wouldn't be the best idea.

However, I still don't see why they thought they could do this. It seems they were right in how you dealt with everything. Not sure why you stuck around them.

You probably came off as some random outsider that butt into a group gathering. If I were with friends and saw you slide in between us to try and snatch one, I'd be annoyed too.

It seems like "you breaking frame" wasn't the issue. The issue was how you went about the entire situation.

Battle-Scars · 2016-10-15T22:02:38+00:00

Instead of "nobody"- " I'm the guy that's going to make your eyes roll back in your head tonight" or something to that effect.

Title	Orbiters broke my frame.
Author	Viking_RnP
Upvotes	47
Comments	64
Date	October 15, 2016 9:45 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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