The ONLY Way To Handle Flakes.

2ChainZinMedSchool · 2016-09-01T03:42:38+00:00

Honestly speaking, between school-work-gym-meal prep-household maintenance, I barely have time/energy to meet more women asides from Friday/Saturday night. That same time has to be juggled for friends and shit. Sunday's my bum day. There's no way I can meet 50 girls+impression/conversation within the span of 8pm-11pm lol. Good fucking luck. Rather spend my time makin some cash and hooking up via tinder.

ganvanter · 2016-09-01T05:25:48+00:00

Meeting 50 different women a week would make it a part time job.

raavaan · 2016-09-01T03:38:03+00:00

This advice doesn't seem right. Flaking should be responded with a hard next.

Trodjinn · 2016-09-01T03:21:16+00:00

Your post should be summarized as

Deal with flaking by working harder, getting more dates, and accepting that flakes happen.

I agree with the try harder bit, but the title made me think that your going a whole different way with the post. There is a lot to be learned from flakes, and I don't believe trying harder is the best insight to emphasize.

Unholy_VI · 2016-09-01T04:41:00+00:00

The way I deal with flaky women is I have enough going on that I'm seriously neutral to whether they flake or not.

If they flake, more time for me to work on things I'm interested in and possibly meet other women. If they don't flake, great sign, maybe I'll have her. Sometimes they show up and I end up wishing they'd flaked because they just bore the shit out of me.

whuttupfoo · 2016-09-01T07:45:13+00:00

I've hit flaky numbers with the "you know what I'm tired of being treated like I'm some sexual object. I'm not just some piece of ass you know. You women are all the same. " and got a 100% success rate so far. There had to have been some kind of sexual attraction beforehand though.

StoicCrane · 2016-09-01T07:32:45+00:00

The true only way to o handle flakes. Hard next and play the field by setting multiple dates with different chicks within the same allotted time frame. Your welcome.

Nugget_Muffins · 2016-09-01T06:20:10+00:00

If you approach 10-20 women a week and get nothing but flakes there is something inherently wrong going on, never mind 50

Gardrothard · 2016-09-01T09:58:14+00:00

I agree with approaching more girls, but don't do that in the same place. Every time a woman sees you approaching and leaving after a while (doesn't matter if you got the number or not) she will assume you were rejected. So when you approach her she will see you as low SMV because she thinks that others rejected you and/or she will be pissed off that she was fifth in the queue. You can be a fucking Bred Pitt, but if she sees you going around trying something and then coming to her she will probably reject you, and she's very likely to be a bitch about it. And trust me, they do see these things very well. Once you approach a girl, every other one in the radius of 50 m will probably think this. Don't just increase numbers, because sometimes that's what's actually fucking you up. It's even better to reduce numbers if you have to make sure that girls you are approaching don't see others. Too many and the offset provided by big numbers will not be worth lost chances because of this.

Example: Two girls sitting close enough to see each other. You approach both and you get both numbers. Assuming that default flake rate is 0.3, chances that they will both reject you is 0.3x0.3=0.09. But, that's not what really happens. Instead, once she saw you approaching another girl flake rate went up to 0.8. Assuming only one saw you (the one who gave you her number first is probably going to because she will have an eye on you), chances of flaking are 0.8 and 0.3. So chances of both rejecting you are 0.25, which is what pretty much what you had when you approached only one of them. Now if they both see you, it's 0.8x0.8=0.64 chance that they both flake . So let's see what's expected value:

Approaching only one : 0.8 (1 for getting text back, 0 for nothing).
Approaching both of them (assuming that chances that at least one will notice are 0.8) (1-0.64)0.8+(1-0.09)0.2=0.47

You have better expected value in the first case. Notice that I didn't even take into account having the second girl see it. Ok, I did pull these numbers from my ass, but you can do this calculation for yourself with numbers you think are right. Just keep in mind that you can't just look at them as independent events when calculating probability if they are in some proximity.

Bottom line, the optimal solution is to approach as many girls as possible but making sure they don't see it.

AshyBoneVR4 · 2016-09-01T09:58:37+00:00

Thanks for the post OP. I've been wanting to change my approach to dating and picking up for a while now. I have no problems talking to 80% of women, and getting a phone number is easy. But For the longest time I've been sticking to the "classical" dating where I only court one female at a time. I'm looking for a LTR and I always got it in my head that the quality of the woman is better than having a large quantity. But recently I see how that's just a waste of time.

The way I see it, dating multiple girls instead of one will not only help me learn how to manage and balance time better, but it will also make it seem like I don't care as much about the girl when I'm not trying to spend every weekend with her. I feel like it's a good idea but I'm not sure how I'd be able to pull it off. Between work and school (26M) I don't have the time to really go out or go anywhere besides the gym. I'll be lucky if I see maybe 8-15 girls that meet my standards in a week.

BluepillProfessor · 2016-09-01T16:58:10+00:00

Good Lord, this is more work than reigniting your sex life after a decades long deadbedroom. I recommend 15-20 approaches with number closes TOTAL as Level 7: Dread in Saving a Low Sex Marriage which is followed only by Level 8 (showing your wife by flirting with girls in public in front of her) and Level 9 (Hinting at your ultimate demands to stay in the marriage). By level 10 you are probably at the "fuck you or fuck me" stage.

If you need to do 50 approaches a week to find a girl to fuck you, perhaps you should spend some of that time at the gym or pursuing a club/hobby with both male and female members? Sunday morning night club can also be valuable I am told.

Screenp2 · 2016-09-02T05:15:17+00:00

it can be done.. had a friend who joined out group way back when and he tore those 50 in a coupe days.. took notes of them all and made a flow chart of questions.. went out and opened 50 more.. more flow chart.

Three weeks later he had opened 400 girls, went on 100 ish dates, had more numbers than he knew what to do with and could walk up to ANY girl and have her laughing in less than a minute. Bro plain and simple killed it. Knew exactly what to say, how to say it and when.. mastered communicating and then went into sales.. fucker is killin that to.. he's a power talking Triad ABC guy now.

thisishowiwrite · 2016-09-03T00:55:17+00:00

"Approach 50 women per week". What kind of fucking loser has that much time to throw shit at a wall every week?

JackJohnsonJohnMayer · 2016-09-01T10:18:33+00:00

Dog. You're putting the pussy on the pedestal. Look at how much your life revolves around pussy

rp-one · 2016-09-01T14:01:14+00:00

"The ONLY way to handle flakes is.... just go out more and you'll get less flakes".. Thats not the ONLY way, its not even a GOOD way.

Approach 50 women a week just to get your dick wet on the regular with some low quality snatch? Thats a MASSIVE time comittment you could be using to build a business which will give you SUCCESS FOR DECADES.

Work your ass off for five years then show up tanned and buff in a custom blazer with your tesla parked in the lot and the confidence that you run shit (Flake rate suddenly flatlines).

verify_account · 2016-09-01T17:57:46+00:00

Approach 50 women per week minimum

Valid advice, but I'd rather spend time at the gym thx.

turn30left · 2016-09-01T14:58:07+00:00

50 women. Spend all your free time hitting on women.

GalacticSuperDrone · 2016-09-01T19:13:27+00:00

50 women a week? I don't see 20 women I week I am interested in let alone 50.

I'm sure its possible but I have much more important things to do than to go clubbing 3 nights a week.

Career, gym, hobbies etc.

The1WhoCsAll · 2016-09-01T19:21:24+00:00

You cannot overcome a poor flake percentage (only 1/10 answer texts) by shooting 30 more times. You will never get your percentages up by needlessly chucking up shots at the basket.

The ways to improve percentage are: 1. Improve your looks and presentation

Improve ways of following up, i.e. Call don't text. It is quicker. Its harder for them to mislead you about their intentions. It's easier to set a date or meet-up. Plus you get to use the deep voice.
Know your audience. Young women flake all the time because they have almost infinite replacements for your casual flirtation. The maturity of the woman can determine the outcome regardless of your displayed value. Older women flake less often once the realities of life set in. If you go 1/10 with the college crowd, make your next 5 in the 30+ demographic.

PhotoshopMogul · 2016-09-01T20:30:27+00:00

You have to get it while it's hot.

Neo_Natal · 2016-09-01T04:21:31+00:00

I like this post and I think your plan is pretty awesome. However, I have a difficult time getting myself to approach a ton of women these days.

How do you keep yourself so consistently motivated? I have days where I feel like a fuckin boss, confident, high energy, motivated, etc. Then I'll have days where I'm lazy, unmotivated, low energy, and just not in the mood to do approaches. I'm really inconsistent and I've always struggled with this. I know when my game is on and I'm in the zone magic happens, but it feels like it's kinda rare for me to get in that state of mind. Did you ever experience that in your day?

retrenu · 2016-09-01T12:24:53+00:00

Motherfucker you texted her damn stupid cunt. You CALL HER done. 50 girls per week? You must be crazy person. What you need is confidence and yet also how you act, act like a needy and get flaked or act like you should and get a plate.

PaulAJK · 2016-09-01T15:05:46+00:00

PUA spergs are a pain in the arse. If you need to approach 50 women a week to get a date then you're better off spending more time in the gym to raise your SMV.

DiarrheaHelmet · 2016-09-01T16:24:29+00:00

Investing all that time just to get your dick wet seems silly. I got 3 lays on tinder in the past 3-4 weeks. I consider my looks a little above average but nothing conventionally outstanding. Get a hobby man, start reading, learn an instrument, live a little. It sounds like women are becoming a full time job for you. All the best.

Title	The ONLY Way To Handle Flakes.
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Date	September 1, 2016 3:16 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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