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The single most important signal that lets me know talking up a girl is going well

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[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 53 points54 points55 points 12 years ago* (21 children) | Copy Link

Stroking forearm is another one. If you have veins on forearms they will stroke it like a dick after a drink or two. It's like a horn telling me to start serious kino.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you're onto something there. The easiest escalations for me recently have been with girls who go for the forearm veins.

[–]SwoleLottaLove 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If she touches you in any way, shape or form it's a good sign.

[–]ilovemyself101 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I got those police grip toys, for increasing your grip strength, the vein bulge after doing 100 or so reps on those is quite put there

[–]The_Turbinator 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true, had this happen and 10 minutes later we where making out.

[–]lothar52 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

This is why I hate having poor vascularity. All I can do is lower my bf% and do wrist curls/rolls, etc, but even then I feel like it doesn't do that much.

[–]drrtyfrrnr 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

farmers walks and deadlifts are all you need

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]drrtyfrrnr 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Haha, is that what it's called? The muscle between the thumb and the fingers? Or is this something else?

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Towel pullups. One handed ones if you can manage it.

You know they're working if you have trouble opening your hands again after a set.

[–]MrFunnycat1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

the clenching strength from doing those sounds delicious

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was the king of Mercy of the lacrosse team.

Wrist/forearm/gripstrength, couldn't be beaten even by the guys who could arm curl me.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I found a great way to work forearm extensors is to fill up an empty 5 lb protein jug (we all here prob have these lol) with dirt/pebbles/rocks/pennies (you can even use water if you are in a bind). These are good because they are large and can hold lots of weight, and the opening is like 5-6 inches diameter, which is perfect for spreading your fingers out.

So stick your hand in and spread out your fingers. Then, lift up and hold the jug for as long as you can. You can vary the weight or time to give yourself a workout. You can do this at home, watching TV, anytime.

[–]chadillac83 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell even shrugs will harden those puppies up. Half the time my grip/forearms start to struggle before my traps.

[–]heavilyarmedclown8 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Do you drink a lot of water? Start drinking 1.5-2 gallons a day and see if you notice a difference.

[–]FemtoG 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel the same way.

I've made my back day essentially back/wrist.

Deadlifts, farmer walk with shrugs, pullups, reverse curls...

Can't neglect the forearms.

[–]The-Self-Post-Guy 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Puck up playing guitar, I have never worked out my forearms in the gym and it looks like I've got highways on my arm when im hydrated. But I have been playing guitar religiously for 7 years.

[–]seanjohn12117 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol not that playing the guitar is a bad idea, but i think deadlifts would be more effective here

[–]Swifthand4 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

rock climbing ftv

[–]Bman135 29 points30 points31 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I love when theories I have are thought by other people. Girls fake anger is always a noticeable and important step.

[–]Hateblade 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Knowing when to identify and capitalize on that fake anger one can turn you into James Bond.

[–]1Zackcid 47 points48 points49 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Gotta keep this shit restricted! If more women find out about this subconscious thing, they might start picking up on it and faking it when the circumstance calls for it.

Just look at what happened to girls twirling their hair or hugging you. It used to be a genuine sign of interest, but now girls are just hugging to make you think you still have a shot.

lol.

[–]kayjay734 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Girls playing with the hair, especially doing the classic brush behind ear after seeing you from across the room, is still a sign of attraction from my experience

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Skyped with an old high school friend just to catch up one day. She must have taken her hair down and put it up in a pony tail subconsciously at least three times in an hour. If I wasn't overseas it would have been game on

[–]1Zackcid 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same, but I'm just saying that some have caught on to it and doing it in an insincere way. Picture this: a woman gets pulled over after speeding or some shit. Cop comes over to her window and she's thinking of any means to escape that ticket. She starts twirling her hair because she's been told that the cop will believe she's attracted to him if she does that. This is a lighter example of what I mean.

[–]FemtoG 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. It's like the first "gate".

[–]plopliar 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I knew exactly what you were going to say before I even read your post. I don't know why they do this, but it is definitely an indicator that you are doing the right thing.

[–]jacobman 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's female kino. You think guys are the only ones who do that shit?

[–]iKill_eu 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It means they're invested enough in your interaction to react to your shit.

[–]the99percent1 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I get this even from girls I've friend zoned/been friendzoned or i have no intention of fucking.

Esp awkward when one of them happens to be fiance to my best friend..

[–]taco_roco 28 points29 points30 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably 'cause she treats you like a friend.

This isn't exactly hard evidence of future fucking

[–]dischordiasnightmare 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you considered warning your friend?

[–]the99percent1 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend is a RP himself. He can handle his own shit. Plus I think its just a friends being playful coz I tease them too.

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[–]GrantNexus 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Sir, you're incorrigible!"

[–]Wiskie 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Ha, I don't know the meaning of the word." (He really doesn't)

[–]IdleGod 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I had one girl put it rather succinctly. "I want a man who can call me on my bullshit without being an asshole".

She was an overweight, chain smoking, 35 year old with a bastard child, so take it with a grain of salt.

[–]hardheaded1 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll take more then a grain...

[–]TRPinitiate 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty obvious IMO.

Pretty much any excuse she uses to touch you is a very solid indicator.

[–]cagethepepper 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

To me it's also when they smile at me and play with their hair.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is too mainstream now. Girls do this purposefully as a fake IOI sometimes.

Getting hit has never been a lie for me yet though.

[–]lowercasebook 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I will never understand the high they get from leading guys on like that. Just seems like it just wastes everyone's time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems like that to you because you don't see women as meal tickets.

Put yourself in their shoes. Guys who like them give them stuff ALL THE TIME. Why would you close off that avenue? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd play nice and make them think I liked them too just not quite enough to sleep with them so that they'd give me more things in the hopes my panties would finally drop.

[–]OBJHamSandwich 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

IIRC from my old non-verbal communications class in college, here are a handful of physical motions women will do to express interest. The first one is touching or playing with the hair. The second is rolling the hips forward-- i.e. standing with her hips out towards you while leaning her upper body back. The third is the "coy smile"-- smiling, looking down, then smiling while looking up at you. Those are almost-universal signals in the US, Canada, and (I believe) the UK.

One you can do to make her more into you is touch her forearm on her right side (i.e. extending your left hand towards her and giving a slight brush). Science is fun.

[–]magicalbird1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Why right side? I would figure the left side is related to the feeling side of her brain.

[–]OBJHamSandwich 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure, and this is from a class two years ago. But I remembered it as "make the casual brush with the left hand" (i.e. MY left hand). It could be one of those "no one really knows" phenomena. Of course, I could just have it backwards.

[–]MRAfront 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The third is the "coy smile"-- smiling, looking down, then smiling while looking up at you.

http://youtu.be/NPInG4Ab1LI?t=33m1s

[–]Nitzi 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Some mate: "Hey Nitzi you can't just sit next to a hot girl and don't talk to her" (aloofness)

Me: "Oh yeah" [looks at her] [turn to mate] "Yeah she is a solid 5" (laughter all around) [turn back to my real table]

She hits me.

Now she wants me to talk to her and validate her. I touched her feelings, and this peaked in a physical reaction from her.

Some girl "hey look at that"

[Keep looking in mirror]

Girl: "You see it in the mirror?"

Me: "Oh what" [Lean sidewards] "Yeah I see it" [back to normal posture]

Her: "And why do you still look into the mirror?"

Me: "I see some hot dude there, looks just like me, just a bit hotter"

Her: "Thats YOU!!" and hits me, while she laughs.

Yeah, that is a strong indicator.

"You are such an asshole!", "You are too much" or "You are sooo stupid" are great signals too.

[–]colucci 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sidewards

what the hell, ahahahh

[–]magicalbird1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

"You're so mean!"

Delusional confidence works so well

[–]averagepidgin 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to agree, I thought about this post over lunch and I came up with this... the reason why women love it that you bust their balls is because they love attention. You see, that's their number one complaint, "you never listen", but in reality what they mean is, you aren't paying attention to me. Women demand attention, if they don't get it, then you're out, simple as that. They'll go to where they'll get it. The alpha is constantly looking for the opening, sorta reminds you of a sperm don't it? The opportunity to get in. IN. So naturally he's gonna be on it.

But what I find more interesting is that, really when you're busting a girl's balls, essentially what your doing is actually giving her your undivided attention in such a way where your attention is on all of her being, the way she talks, moves, gestures, the things she says, every part of her is under the microscope, and they love that, especially if you're doing it in a fun way.

It's exactly what they want, they're not dumb.

So naturally, if you give em what they want and your good at it and consistent, they're gonna warm up to you.

In the end they want attention of the best kind, the kind that makes them laugh and makes them feel like the center of the world.

[–]Spacelnvader 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This is really a very good indicator.

I recently made a decision to make sure to bust the balls of the next hot girl I encountered. Did so with a new temp at work and have been teasing her for at least 60 % of all our interactions. We used to be on some sort of department trip this weekend and I alternated between teasing and playing nice. She punched me in the arm a few times for some cheeky comments with the "Oh, you!" and "I can't believe you did that!" look on her face, all whilst smiling. At one occasion she even reached out for my hand while telling me something, but decided against it the very last second so she just kind of brushed one of my fingers. She is in a relationship so she probalby thought "What am I doing?!"

On the last day, I was too tired to tease her and played nice almost all the time. I could see how her reaction changed to slight boredom.

Needless to say, it was a very interesting experience for a former Nice Guy like myself. So, tease tease tease!

[–]uututhrwa 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Aside fom the "nice guy" there's also the "bland guy" where you change your whole interaction with her to be too formal, or acting clueless. At this point if she really likes you there is a small window of opportunity where she'll act like a bitch while you are acting normal, it's supposed to mean like "you see how I just don't get along with you while you are so blandly ignoring me, what do you think I'd do that for???" and she's expecting you to hit on her.

The thing is if she does that and you still don't react she'll just lose interest FAST

But in general if women want to reject someone they ignore him or are like "this is wasting my time", they won't get aggressive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Love>Like>Dislike>Hate>Apathy.

[–]no_game_player -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

nah

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Bro even Elie Wiesel agrees with me on this.

[–]no_game_player -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh, well, clearly, if a holocaust survivor says a cliche, it must be right.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It isn't a cliche.

And he didn't just say it, he is the quote originator. This is HIS quote. His observation on surviving the most horrific act of the modern era.

If a holocaust survivor tells me something profound about the darkside of human nature, I tend to listen.

[–]no_game_player 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I tend to listen.

Okay, sure. I read what you wrote. And I didn't recognize him as the author. But being told it, that doesn't mean it makes it some mystical authority ipso facto.

It's just silly to rank them as absolute, all-time comparisons. It's all relative to definitions, circumstances, whatever.

But, if one were to insist upon such an idiotic scheme of ranking, I would still argue: hate is stronger than "dislike". Hate may well even be stronger than "like". And those are just the easiest quibbles.

Of course, I would be interested in a more precisely what you were simplifying of his in your ">"; I've got just my own loose guess of what you mean vs what might have been a more limited comparison originally by him.

For instance, if it's just "these things are nicer than the other"? Yeah, I'd rather someone love me than like me, etc., sure. (Although the hate/apathy part would be strange then and I might quibble...)

On the question of authority: If, hypothetically, as a rhetorical, contrived scenario: a woman who survived the Holocaust (one of many horrific genocides in recent human history) told you, "everything you have learned in TRP is wrong; you should just find any woman or women or people in general you can who'll take your money and time, not care about you; you should be feminism's official poster boy for model behavior. Game is sexist and thus wrong; fitness is irrelevant because I'm a hypothetical troll."

At some point in there, probably pretty quickly, it becomes absurd because, of course, it's admittedly contrived to be.

But the simplification of one blanket statement out of context I don't count as strong evidence of some particular point. With some context and the original source, yeah, probably worth a read.

Anyhow, I think I may well be disagreeing more with the particular form you wrote than necessarily his original source but I'd have to actually look shit up to be sure...and I kinda feel like having a pizza and catching up on some other things instead. More reading adding to the 'to-do' list...

[–]magicalbird2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Going from teasing guy to nice guy and back and forth between the two can actually make some girls really chase you although it can make others lose interest.

[–]1PaulRivers10 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ha, as a former nice guy ("Nice Guy" is b.s.), that's where I always get tripped up to.

What to do at that point is where I need game advice, lol...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't get the arm thing that much but any of these signs are probably good.

Anytime she closes the physical proximity gap.

Anytime she exposes her neck to you. Like moving her hair out of the way so you can see her neck.

Positive body language. Like, she's facing you without her arms folded.

Dilated pupils.

I don't know about busting balls being what you have to do as being the best way to get them. My old man always told me that playing hard to get was the key.

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[–]McMurphyCrazy 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm coming to find that if a girl mentions my dimples when I smile the hook is set.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Solipsistic Cosmo Advice: Let women know you like them by hitting them.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Older women will touch your arm, not hold hands, but they make contact. The young ones are a bit more expressive, but they all do it when they like you and want you.

[–]puresteel 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Cantonese women always do that. It's strange. You wouldn't happen to be from Hong Kong? Or do white girls this as well?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

White girls are fucking violent.

[–]yea_tht_dnt_go_there 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I make out with a girl and she bites my tongue, she wants the d.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of the double digit lays, none of them have bitten my tongue. Then again, the number of women I have kissed whom I did not fuck has been rather small, excluding relation of course.

[–]magicalbird2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If she doesn't hit me we aren't clicking right.

I've had success with girls that didn't do this but if they hit me then it's a much more overt signal.

[–]lifeliberty 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any reason for contact if she likes you, playful hitting, picking something off your clothes, laying on you tc

[–]spaced86 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixQbCXLUUj8

Get to the bit about attachment and how to increase a duck's bond with it's mother.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its their way of breaking the physical barrier, effectively a direct invitation for you to begin kino, particularly if you havent already.

I find personally its more used by girls with lower levels of confidence, which is hardly surprising, i use the handshake in a similar way. Introduce self, offer hand, when they take it hold the moment slightly longer than some nervous beta would and look them intensely in the eye. Frames the encounter as being one with some degree of sexual charge from the first moment and makes the transition to the first level of kino proper (the elbow touch) that much easier in my mind because ive already touched her.

If she smiles while you're looking her in the eye, you're in.

[–]h_b_b1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Girl here. I would like to add that hitting a guy in the arm, in addition to the previously stated reasons, is also a very subtle swolestation. Just thought you should know.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Swolestation?

I'm not sure I know what this word means.

[–]h_b_b1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Swole is a slang term for being muscular. Swole+molestation=swolestation. In other words it's a way for ladies to very subtly feel a guy a bit without being too overt.

[–]GoryWizard 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My skills at teasing, or negging, women is pitiful. Any resources? I never know what's going "too far."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a little sister?

[–]GoryWizard 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I do, but we're not very close. Just total opposites when it comes to personal tastes and the like.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh good this makes it easy.

Tease women like you'd tease her.

In my case, I have older brothers. Virtually everything they ever said to me until around age 22ish was some form of subtle insult. So I just kind of channel that, but in a nicer way because girls honestly couldn't handle the full blast of that.

[–]hashtagpound2point2 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Some girl fake hit me at this party I went to the other night. I would've gone for it, but I think my buddy's brother is really into her and he was standing right there.

She also was about a 4, but I like to think I didn't go for it because of the other thing I said earlier.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Love those uggo's huh?

[–]hashtagpound2point2 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It was slim pickings at this party.

[–]salami_inferno 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When the pickings are that slim I usually decide it's the kind of party I'm getting trashed at.

[–]hashtagpound2point2 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was this close to throwing up around 2 AM. I then continued my trend for another 3 hours.

[–]TheBrownMafia -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't care what signals she is giving me. As long as I get it in I'm fine. You would know if she wants to bang, you can sense it like it's an aura or some shit.

[–]Vespaman -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Girls don't really do that here in England. A canadian girl done it a few times to me last week. Must be a cultural thing.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Try pissing them off more

[–]Costafarian -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I accidentally discovered this with a really hot chick way before my Red Pill days when I was trapped in a relationship.

A really hot half-Asian slut. She and I were waiting in line at the cafeteria at our dorm together and they were basically serving Asian food. I made a few Asian jokes. Shit like "oh looks like today is your lucky day, it's the food of your people." All with a huge grin on my face. She punched me in the arm and we chatted. Unfortunately I never closed the deal on that one. But to this day I've always figured it was a sign of interest in some form.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know how I know you're gay?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No idea bro

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