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White Knight Gets Stomped in Philly. Do Not White Knight in Philly [or elsewhere].

Summertime_Dimes

August 12, 2014
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Title White Knight Gets Stomped in Philly. Do Not White Knight in Philly [or elsewhere].
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Summertime_Dimes

Upvotes 78
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Date August 12, 2014 7:02 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
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Comments

[–]atl3031328 points29 points30 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

JadedMuse [score hidden] an hour ago

The irony is that people who are motivated to "protect women" (specifically) are still very much driven by a form of sexism--that women are weak and need big, strong men to protect them from harm. Still, doing the right thing is still better than not doing it...even if the motivations may be a little tainted.

[–]TheSKSpecial46 points47 points48 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Amazing how even when men are doing what women are asking them to, they're still in the wrong.

Women get catcalled: "Why aren't men protecting us and stopping other men from catcalling us? SEXIST!"
Man tries to protect women from getting catcalled: "You think women are weak and need protection by men? SEXIST!"

[–]2renzy7752 points53 points54 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Amazing how even when men are doing what women are asking them to, they're still in the wrong.

Double Bind: A double bind is an emotionally distressing dilemma in communication in which an individual (or group) receives two or more conflicting messages, and one message negates the other. This creates a situation in which a successful response to one message results in a failed response to the other (and vice versa), so that the person will automatically be wrong regardless of response.

Double binds are often utilized as a form of control without open coercion—the use of confusion makes them both difficult to respond to as well as to resist.

It's how women manipulate men into the modern-day con of demanding equality, while simultaneously shaming men for not being chivalrous.

[–]nrjk3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So is it like benevolent sexism vs. regular sexism?

-or-

"We need the courts to give women less harsh sentences because they're weaker." vs. "It's sexist to give women equal sentences to men because they've always been an oppressed class so their wrongdoings get less punishment."

Either outcome could be looked at either way. I've been looking for the definition of this phenomenon for a while now. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

bookmarking your post. this is top quality rp

[–]yimanya9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If the hamster was real, it could produce enough power for China.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If the hamster was real it'd be the only thing in the universe capable of FTL Travel.

[–]xgtize2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She claimed he did the right thing. She just also criticized him in the same comment for something few people would criticize him for given what happened to him.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate that you are quoting a comment. This is directed at the comment and not you, ATL. Who get's to decide what is "right."

TRP has caused me to overhaul my perception of right, and I do not believe it is right to rush to the defense of strange women from strange men when I have no frame of reference. I think engaging in that sort of behavior is reckless, stupid, and sexist.

[–]SFofallplaces-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sexist? You do understand the irony here, don’t you?

[–]TestosteroneFilled5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I think you're getting it wrong here. Not being sexist is treating both sexes equally. If a guy get's catcalled are you gonna run to rescue him? Chances are no, you'll just go on your way and do what you're gonna do. So treat women like that as well.

[–]solariant-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about if instead of the guy getting catcalled, we just consider whether we would help a guy who is being harassed in some way which is obviously causing him to feel scared or alarmed. Would we step in to assist then?

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why yes, SF. I do understand what you are incorrectly referring to as irony. Thank you for checking.

All clear on the "I understand you believe it is ironic to call someone sexist while posting on TRP" variety - which is what I assume you were getting at. I made that assumption because you did not explain, but rather left it to me to intuit.

However, before I spend my time disagreeing with you, perhaps you should articulate what you mean precisely. I wouldn't want to guess wrong.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit117 points118 points119 points 11 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

And now that group of women have all had sex with him. Oh wait, he's just in the hospital and they've already forgotten he existed.

[–]garlicextract84 points85 points86 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

In my deepest, darkest, worst blue pill days, I actually had a fantasy like this.

I shit you not.

I would "take a bullet" (didn't literally have to be that, could be a knife, shoving her out of the way of a truck, etc) for the girl I really liked, and she would love me forever. I literally thought that would be the best way to get this girl out of my league. It's absurd the same brain I have now came up with such retarded bullshit. Shit makes me absolutely sick.

Fuck sorry guys. Should have tagged "trigger warning: beta history" in the begining.

[–]2comment36 points37 points38 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't feel too bad, it's basically the oldest storytelling trope in the book and crops up in all entertainment as a plot or subplot all the time.

Falling for juvenile fantasies is something most people have done. Not climbing out again would be the sad part, especially if someone threw down a rope.

[–]fiat_lux_1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And social commentaries have been warning about antiquated notions of chivalry even before Don Quixote.

[–]8jh10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As outrageous as it seems now it's not uncommon at all. I mean isn't this what every movie is about? From going to troy to saving that girl in spider man

[–]Meatclap5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is part of the feminist lie that teaches men that their disposability for the sake of a woman is a noble endeavor, regardless of who for whom or why. It is a part of many male thoughts, reading comments by "traditional" men that openly fear equality under the guise of being "protective" demonstrates some, many, most, or even all of the facets of this kind of thinking. They have been trained not to fear the lash, but embrace it without question or doubt.

Incidentally I feel I missed the memo or something, I see this "trigger warning" bullshit a lot but don't get it. Time for some google-fu.

[–]Schrodingersdawg4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not alone. We were all fed the same lies once.

[–]nataliieportman1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

shoving her out of the way of a truck

We were raised seeing this shit in films. Trust me, I look back and cringe HARD.

[–]chillmonkey882 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing to be ashamed for... I think every guy has a hero fantasy... maybe not about getting women... but still one of some sort... mine was having green lantern/superman powers and ld protect earth from aliens with similar powers to mine... I was saving just my crush but all women if you think about it...

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's all good, bro. We all did it. I used to frame all sorts of mundane shit in terms of impressing the perfect girl. Why get better at guitar - to impress some chick. Why go hard on the rugby pitch - to impress some chick.

I would have 100% jumped in front of a bullet for my HS gf. Fucking cringeworthy in the extreme. I was madly in love - now she looks like jerry springer with a shitty blonde wig.

Respect for honesty, chief. You're past that shit now. Revel in it.

[–]spitfire7rp1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was the "life saver" several times for one of my ex's. The main time when her bipolar sister tried stabbing us in our sleep with a pork skewer. I stopped her from walking out in to traffic accidentally twice, she tried to jump out a third story window on my birthday I don't remember the reason it was in 2006 but I ripped her out of the window as she was about to jump. I never realized it but it never paid off she was never really that grateful.

Shes was a 8 that let me do what ever I wanted to her and it blinded me. I got oneitis before I even knew what it was and it fucked me in the end. She was crazy as shit anyway, I just wish I would have known to pump and dump.

[–]Blake551 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like this?

http://youtu.be/koJlIGDImiU?t=2m55s

[–]TheeRyanGrey 42 points43 points44 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if those women went and checked up on their heroic savior

Or if they ended up with a group of guys with a nicer car who cat called them better.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan42 points43 points44 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Now come on, man. You and I both know that group of ladies is standing outside his hospital room with no panties on just waiting for the pesky male nurse to leave so they can take turns riding his brave cock.

[–]2comment17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I've been told that the nurses heard his story, suddenly restricted his visiting hours and put viagra in his iv. There's apparently some type of lottery going on for half-hour duty shifts in his room among the nursing staff and female doctors.

[–]2RedPill4LYF17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Awe! Why can't I get knocked unconscious defending women from patriarhical slurs like "hey sexy" and then get my cock ridden by a bunch of hot horny nurses completely and utterly helpless to resist my sacrificial white knightery?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sarcasm chain

Of TRP endorsed contributors.

Sheeeeiiiittt.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Come on you had to have expected this with a thread that includes the words 'white knight'...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

White knighting is the patriarcy you racablsexenophobageist shitlord.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 42 points43 points44 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Wherein the boldest knight in the land, beclad in shiny white armor beset upon a noble steed doth make haste to the aide of some maiden faire. He doth smite the foul Nissan, and chasten the lads for their tomfoolery and ballyhoo. Our kingdom of brotherly love owes a great debt to this brave and valiant knight, for without him the lasses most certainly would be plauged by the hollering of troublesome knaves.

Oh that old chestnut?!

Dudes pull up in a Nissan, and start hollering at some women. Our WK sticks his nose in, and gets it broken. Smash Cut to a fedora being washed down a gutter and into the drain. The worst part: doctor had to shave the guys neck beard to clean a few abrasions. It took 21 months to grow!!!

Seriously, stay out of shit that is not your business. For all this WK knows, the guy in the Nissan might have been her boyfriend. Might have been a stranger. Might have been her cousin playing a joke. Don't take chances with your life. DO NOT WHITE KNIGHT else ye be risking thyne life for a nodoubt thankless trollop.

edit: added old timey language for kicks.

[–]RobbyTheLifeguard3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sub wouldn't exist if that guy didn't get knocked unconscious from a single punch

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting how one of them was willing to get out of the car to strike this guy while none of them got out of the car to rape or otherwise sexually or physically assault any of the women.

Edit: Added 'to get.' No matter if I proofread, my brain always types more than my fingers.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that is an interesting take, C-Towne. I had not really put those two angles together. respect for synthesizing facts in a creative way.

[–]CornyHoosier15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If the losers were just cat-calling from the car, then let the women deal with it. I have no doubt in my mind that Philadelphia women can talk some shit right back to the guys being assholes in the car.

[–]otiswild7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She'd likely just whip a battery at them.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Size D for sure bro. Hood chicks in my town used to do this shit all the time. Batteries or ball bearings or whatever. Small and metal.

[–]aa223 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see it all now. Feminists will swarm this story like locusts and say #EndCatCalls and will claim it is like sound rape. Otherwise, if that white knight didn't do anything then the street harassment would have stopped and it would have just became a conversation piece among the ladies.

But because of his intervention, all he got was a hospital bill and still no women. I bet those ladies won't even visit him in the hospital. So basically he got nothing out of it or rather he got fucked out of a so called chivalrous act towards saving the damsels.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hope the hospital bills are worth it. Another idiot

[–]Dark_Shroud3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can see it, that guy won't even get a sympathy handjob from her.

[–]herpterp8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see women complaining all the time about catcalling, but I never hear about them actually getting hurt. Here a guy tries to defend them and ends up in the hospital. I'd rather a person catcall me than punch me so hard in the face I have to pay medical bills.

It isn't men who do this shit like feminists claim, it's assholes. They will harass anyone, catcalling is just how they do it with women. We now see that they're willing to be dicks to men too, but in a more harsher and physical way.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We need a thousand more stories just like this storming through the media to show men what happens when they go out of their way to protect women.

The true lesson here is how disposable men truly are and how much higher women's feels are placed than the safety of men. This guy willingly got sent to the hospital so that some women could be spared some minor insults. The fucked up thing is that the women probably enjoyed the catcalls on some level and were annoyed that this stupid fuck interfered

[–]1sailorJery5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the 39-year-old man who was visiting from Texas was walking along 18th and Walnut Streets around 2:45 a.m.

Nothing good happens after midnight

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Here's a post I submitted a while back: "The consequences of being a white knight".

http://redditlog.com/snapshots/928693

"How did you lose your testicle?"

"Defending a small girl from a drunk guy that was attacking her. I intervened and the ultra intimidating 5 ft 5 110 lbs me got my ass handed to me."

"Well, hopefully the girl you saved can now give you a handjob for your efforts"

"No, actually, she shouted at me afterwards. I was well annoyed and my nuts were hurting"

"Wtf why? What a thundercunt"

"Maybe she was just shaken? I dunno..."

[–]myrptaway17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Reminds of this manlet white knight, Matthew Leone. (Random copy paste from different sites)

On June 29, 2010, Justin Pivec was reportedly beating and choking his wife in the 1300 block of West Ohio Street when she spotted Madina Lake bassist Matthew Leone and yelled for him to call police, the Chicago Tribune reports.

When Leone attempted to intervene, Pivec allegedly attacked the 35-year-old musician.

Leone was reportedly kicked in the head more than 10 times and left unconcious in the street following the attack. Doctors had to remove a part of his skull due to massive head injuries. Matthew had been in and out of consciousness during the previous three days after suffering a broken jaw, a broken nose and a fractured skull.

On July 2, Chicago Police arrested 33-year-old Chicago resident for the beating of Matthew. He was also charged with battery for the beating of his wife, who had minor injuries. She dropped the charges the next day.

Justin Pivec, Man Accused Of Beating Madina Lake Bassist Matthew Leone, Found Not Guilty.

To top it all off, Matthew does not have health insurance, his shitty band died, and his wife left him

[–]1Gavlan_Wheel12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never, ever, ever try to stop a fight between a couple. It will not end well for you.

Women have done this to themselves. The number of women who start helping their man beat up the guy who is intervening, those who will lie and say the guy who is intervening started it all and the number of women who just wont press charges is way too high for it to be an acceptable risk.

[–]the_real_chronos 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow. The high cost of living the blue pill hm.

[–]8jh6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And a wife so he wasn't looking for sex. He was just trying to save the woman from the oppressor. grabs sides

[–][deleted] 3 points3 points3 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Much of the answer depends on your personal code of ethics and civics.

A good test is to ask yourself whether you would have interfered if it was a man as the victim.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100% my same views, bro. If the guy stays out of it for men yelling at men, women yelling at men, or women yelling at women - he needs to stay out of it men yelling at women. Equality and shit bro. Women have agency, they can fucking vote and be CEO. let them fight their own battles.

[–]xdrunkagainx3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They all got wet for the attacker right after he knocked out the white night.

[–]YourFoxyFriend3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've cat called many-a women in Philly and never had a lone soldier Texan come to their defense. I don't think I would knock someone out of catcalling, honestly though.

[–]SFofallplaces3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

2:30 in the morning, pack of wolves in the car.

Who here thinks it was just whistling?

[–]ReturnThroughAether2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone here said it best: "don't be a hero. The world eats heroes for breakfast and demand they buy it lunch".

[–]RedPillExclusive2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

haha at all the hoes in the comment section.

[–]Idle_Redditing3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Those guys went too far with sending the white knight to the emergency room with a neckbrace on. He really didn't deserve that.

I would have probably said something like "They're big girls, they can defend themselves and make their own decisions." Then catcall something so ridiculously corny that they would give me the finger while laughing.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude, I am not saying he deserved it. Of course the guy didn't deserve to get hit - provided that he did not initiate physical contact. If he did commence fisticuffs, he deserved every bit of it. we dont know all the details.

My point, which I may have been unclear about, is that it is stupid and dangerous to rush to defend the honor of strange women. That behavior is reckless and leads to shit like the story described.

[–]SoSaltyDoe0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I sincerely doubt this type of thing happens very often though. Certainly not enough to prevent someone from yelling at cat-callers.

[–]lexdiamondz1902 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a difference between simply yelling at cat callers and getting into an altercation with 4 likely drunk dudes at 3am.

[–]HiddenPools2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Protip, stick up for your girls, but if you can't back it up (or if you get shot in the face), you LOSE alpha status.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your girls...maybe. All women...not a chance in hell.

And you are absolutely right, do not start shit unless you are a BAMF that can handle himself. Even then, maybe reconsider starting shit when outnumbered.

[–]thrway131214 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Not my monkey, not my circus."

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

stealing this. have an upvote for badass folksy wisdom.

bots bots bots bots

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[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I cannot agree with that. I live in a touristy area. In HS and college, we would pile in a lifted truck and cruise up and down the strip hollering at chicks. Some would be grossed out, and some would waive us over. Many many times my friends and I got laid because we yelled at some chicks from a truck bed or car window. Lots of parties..etc.

I think yelling rude shit is no good, but saying hey ladies, where is the party at in a friendly way is totally cool - especially in the summertime in a tourist town. Clearly Philly is not the same. And these dudes were likely not young, fit, well dressed white guys. Lots of nuances abound. For us, that shit was basically speed dating. Chicks would see us, see the truck, and make a snap decision if they wanted to get to know us better. usually groups of 3 or 4.

But, your no catcalling because = beta was all inclusive - I think it shouldn't be. Nice username, btw. You a pothead, focker?

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[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh for sure dude. there is a difference between d-bags yelling rude, derogatory, or sexually charged garbage at people on the street and people legitimately trying to meet strangers and have a good time. The same could be said about people at a club, at a ballgame, at safeway. D-bags are exactly that. It is kind of shitty when people point to this behavior and say "look what men do" and not "look what assholes do." I say people, because assholes come in all genders, sizes, shapes, colors, nationalities, etc.

I think harassment is BP as fuck. But then again TRP dudes are all suave, confident, unshakeable bros with no need to engage in this sort of bullshit, right?

Have my upvote for intelligent polite internet discourse.

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[–]tobythetiger 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A car full of bodybuilders/MMA fighters are shouting and abusing some weaker guys on the street, do you get involved? Nope of course you don't you just keep walking. What's the difference?

[–]SFofallplaces-3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You just keep walking? Don’t do anything?

Talk about beta.

[–]tobythetiger 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I only get in fights I know I can win. I can't win against a car full of bodybuilders/MMA fighters. Why would you want to do otherwise?

[–]trafalgar112 5 points5 points5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If I got into a fight with my girl and a white knight showed up to save her from a bullshit threat expect a similar story. I would expect the same if I involved myself in another persons fight. Pick and choose what situations you get involved with carefully.

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[–]HigglyBumps0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

All any group of people have to do when getting actually harassed is inform the provoking party that they are calling the police, and then do so while giving identifying descriptions of each of them.

9 out of 10 times the people will mosey on, I guarantee it.

This guy who stood up and got put in the hospital became an aggressor when he escalated the situation by trying to defuse it incorrectly.

[–]xgtize1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good idea, unless the person is someone you see regularly, say for example on a walk to work. Then it could lead to later retaliation. It could also be bad if the person doesn't care about getting arrested.

[–]SFofallplaces1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No joke. Downvoting is passive-agressive beta shit.

[–]analrapeage-3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

dude don't break up the circlejerk

[–]sdfghjklooo0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't like where posts like this are going :S You guys just act like he "deserved" it for being a stupid wk... Thats just sad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Watched the video. White Knight looks awful lonely there, where do you think the "girls" are? Why haven't they gone to police and I.D.ed the offending car? A) Because they don't give a fuck or B) Because they don't give a fuck and had a good laugh thanks to W.K..

[–]analrapeage-3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Had a feeling this would make it here.

Downvotes be damned, I feel like something needs to be said about this.

TRP has gotten into its head that any protective behavior towards women from men has its roots in White Knighting. This is fundamentally incorrect. A man, at his essence, is a strong being, capable in the fundamentals of pursuit, dominance and protection. Most of us, the good ones at least, have an instinct to protect those around us with lesser strength, and sometimes that includes women. We all came from women, we have sisters/wives/daughters, and we have a well-placed instinct to protect them that often has little to do with whether we want to fuck the subject in question. I've seen dudes walking down the street leering at chicks to the point it made me feel like I should say something. How the fuck would you like it if that happened to your sister? So you don't know the broad means you should ignore it? What about the poor guy getting pushed around on the subway by some punks--you don't know him so you ignore it? Fuck that. Step up and do something--that is what courage is all about.

I agree--white knighting is wrong because its motives are disingenuous. But there are those of us, especially in big cities, who have seen some catcalling that is entirely unacceptable in a civilized society. Good on that dude for stepping up--and people here need to learn the difference between being a real man and a dude who ignores evil because he read it on some subreddit.

[–]CaptainGlobal4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of us, the good ones at least, have an instinct to protect those around us with lesser strength, and sometimes that includes women.

You've written a really good explanation of your position. To a certain degree, I'm inclined to agree with you, depending upon how you define "women" in your sentence above. If you are referring to direct relationships (mothers, wives, girlfriends, or daughters) then I think we have some common ground. If on the other hand, you're referring to all women, you may be heading down a dangerous path.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

But there are those of us, especially in big cities, who have seen some catcalling that is entirely unacceptable in a civilized society. Good on that dude for stepping up--who ignores evil because he read it on some subreddit.

Oh jeez, read that fucking drama in your words. Evil? Catcalling is evil? WTF? Is there any evidence anything would have happened to the women had the guy not "stepped up?"

Because his attacker only got out of the car once he intervened. Good money that "stepping up" is what escalated this situation because it's suddenly one dude calling out another and that ego having to prove itself.

[–]analrapeage-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Catcalling a woman, as in "HEY YOU'VE GOT GREAT TITS!" right at her in public is completely obscene. Not sure how you can make a case for that. People who do that ought to be punched in the face.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Catcalling a woman, as in "HEY YOU'VE GOT GREAT TITS!" right at her in public is completely obscene. Not sure how you can make a case for that. People who do that ought to be punched in the face.

What? A guy gives a woman a great compliment and you're going to punch him in the face?

White knights really are just evil little psychopaths trying to get validation from the opposite sex at all costs, aren't they?

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

White knights really are just evil little psychopaths trying to get validation from the opposite sex at all costs, aren't they?

That is a great question. I don't know the answer, and I think it is up for some debate. My personal feeling is any dude who rushes to the defense of strange women, not in physical danger, and with no frame of reference is 100% white knighting. He views himself as a defender of women's honor, and how dare one human being talk to another human being like that?!? Don't you know that you are talking to a human with receptive sex organs and not penetrative sex organs?!? We don't cotton to speaking with half of all humans in that way, boy - because they have different sex organs...?

I try to frame things in terms of human interaction, not male female. I do not think this guy rushes to the defense of some strange men being yelled at on the street by other men in a car. I do not think this man rushes to the defense of strange men being yelled at on the street by women in a car. I do not think this man rushes to the defense of strange women being yelled at by other strange women in a car.

I think he did what he did because it was men yelling at women, and to me that is text book white knighting. And I believe that all white knighting is unacceptable.

[–]refreshing_towelette 5 points5 points5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If he had to do it over again, you think he would?

[–]analrapeage-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Who gives a shit? No good deed goes unpunished, as the saying goes. Does that mean you shouldn't do good deeds?

In fact, the threat of getting fucked up makes this that much more non-white knight. White knights are pussies, doing shit for adulation, most of the time at 0 risk to themselves. This guy probably realized the danger and did it anyway.

[–]refreshing_towelette 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

As sayings go, "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me." He should have realized that the catcalls were just words that he escalated into sticks and stones by challenging people he didn't know.

[–]analrapeage-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Go up to the nearest black person, call him a nigger, then explain that sticks and stones may break his bones but words will never hurt him. report back.

[–]refreshing_towelette2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

When some people are offended they may choose to get physical. I recognize this but your hero didn't. That's why he got knocked the fuck out and that's why I think if he had to do it over he would have kept his mouth shut.

[–]SFofallplaces-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. The meatheads of this subreddit have few braincells with which to rub together, so let’s define White Knighting.

White Knighting is the blind defense of any woman with disregard to her poor behavior which caused a conflict with a man.

If it’s 2:30 in the morning, and the douchebags (nigs?) in the car were doing a little more than just catcalling, — “Oh, baby, I want to put my dick in between those tit-tays and lick yo pussay — and there was reasonable concern for safety, then the man in the article was not a White Knight. “Gee, do you think these hoes will jump on his dick after he saved them? Har har har.” Lovely. Does one go to somebody else’s aid with a reward in mind? Not if one has morals.

This isn’t some argument among social justice faggots on a reddit comment thread; nor, is this men coming to the rescue of a woman whose man slaps her after she hit him; this is a man stepping up to — perhaps — defend the physical safety of humans weaker than himself.

[–]superyay-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Ok serious question - IF you saw a woman who was clearly about to get raped, but you also know you have the power to stop this from happening...would you do it?

Obviously, the story and this question are two extremes, but just curious what the sub thinks? Trying to figure out RP.

[–]Clauderoughly14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

would you do it?

Call the cops, that's what they are there for.

I have done emergency services in Australia for many years and the first thing they drum into you is "DON'T BE A HERO!"

You are just a person and there is no point going into a dangerous situation blind because then you're likely to be just another causality they have do deal with.

In your example, you may stop the rape but you may get severely injured in the process. Then what ? She isn't going to pay your bills or make up for the lost wages.

No one is going to help you with the pain, and recovery process, hell you won't even get a medal or any sort of recognition. The cops will likely tell you off for getting in the way.

So, call the cops and do as much as you can without placing yourself at risk. I'm all for helping my fellow man / woman but not at the expense of myself.

[–]xgtize1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What does you mean by "severely injured'"?

Theoretically, is it better for you to stop a backalley forceful conscious rape and prevent the person who attempted the rape to never rape again by having them go to jail for seven years and then proceed to have a normal life, the person who would have been raped to proceed to go on to have a normal life, and for you to go on to have the life would have otherwise have except you would lose your non-dominant hand for the rest of your life?

To clarify, you would not have a hand attached to your non-dominant arm for the rest of your life. There would just be a stump right around your non-dominant wrist that looks like a lot stumps people have after their hand is amputated.

I think given the effect that a backalley forceful conscious rape can have it would be better for me to intervene and have the above results than to not do so. The risks of effects of that rape are much worse than losing my non-dominant hand.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Me? No. That's what the police are for.

Me getting shot isn't going to make her less raped or my life more satisfying.

[–]fl3wy6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think when someone is (about to be) a victim of a violent crime, and it is reasonably possible for you to prevent it, you should. Regardless of gender, age and race, everyone has the right to be safe.

So you're talking about a completely different situation, but the answer is yes.

[–]Fzed6002 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My life is for more valuable than her pussy. That is what emergency services are for.

[–]AnotherLostCause1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You never "know" what the outcome of a confrontation will be. If you see a crime call the cops.

[–]Andress1-5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No.I dont want to have any social obligations towards women just because they are women. Also rape is the 3º most popular sexual fantasy to women and about 40% of women have them,and most of the women who got raped had an orgasm.Why should i even care?

[–]Fhqwghads4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You have a source for any of that?

[–]nerv99 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not the previous poster, but there is a book called My Secret Garden which is a collection of female sex fantasies submitted from many many women.

I read the book last year but the most common fantasies (no particular order) are: Rape, Lesbian experiences, Bestiality (Dogs mainly), Black guys,... There was one more that was common, I'm thinking incest, but I don't want to thumb through the book to find it. Might be younger men actually (as in older woman and 15-16 yr old boy 'type'). Anyways, rape fantasies are very common among women.

*As a side note, when I read the book I was shocked how many women (at least the author claimed it wasn't uncommon) fantasize about dogs fucking them. She postulates that it's because for most young girls the first penis the see is... the family dog's!

No clue about the statistics though.

[–]Andress17 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean

[–]vox_veritas2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article doesn't say anything about your claim that "most of the women who got raped had an orgasm." In fact, the article doesn't have anything to do with actual rape. It's only about fantasies.

[–]shaggy0798-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a sad story. You are glorifying bullies. Women have told me catcalls make them uncomfortable.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice try.

I can't speak for everyone, but I am not glorifying anyone. I think physical violence is abhorrent. I think that using fists instead of words is despicable in nearly every situation, except those where someone has threatened actual physical imminent harm to you, a loved one, or someone near you who cannot defend themselves.

I also think it is stupid to involve yourself in other people's problems, hence this post. If you read anything other than that in what I posted at any point ITT, you read wrong.

[–]IamAwaken -1 points-1 points-1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This isn't really white knight. It was more racist.

Group of white girls getting cat called by black dudes. White Texas dude doesn't take kindly and is used to black people being afraid of him. Then he gets knocked the fuck out.

[–]vox_veritas1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

The linked story literally doesn't say anything about the race of any of the parties involved.

[–]Summertime_Dimes[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a pretty good chance you have guessed correctly about the race of the respective parties. But it is still a guess, unless I missed facts reported elsewhere.

But I do not think that racism and white knighting are mutually exclusive. This human man believed that these human women were not able to fend for themselves, and took it upon himself to intervene with no frame of reference as to who the strangers were or what they were communicating about.

Then this human person created conflict between himself and some other human people in defense of strangers that do not appear (based on the reporting) to have been in any physical danger. Because he was being chivalrous, or trying to defend their honor, or hated black dudes, or whatever. I believe that his behavior is still very much white knighting.

I would gladly read why you believe they are different, and am certainly open to a change in opinion if warranted by the facts.

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