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MRPFuckMe1 · 2017-09-14T10:16:07+00:00

They all have this fantasy. In fact, WE all have this fantasy--or did at least.

Not sure what you're going for here. If it's to get your woman to swallow the pill, that's a fool's errand.

You treat this woman as you would all others. You lead. You watch her actions over her words. You be the man and let her be the woman.

If she's so wrapped up in the fantasy that she'll never be happy without it, that's really her problem and may sabotage all her relationships. But that would be nothing new.

drty_pr · 2017-09-14T13:06:26+00:00

Why don't you start by telling a few random kids Santa Claus is fake first...see how that goes.

This is straight up "how do I change her?".

Worry about your actions. This type of pondering leads to pointless conversations of battling worldviews. You'll lose. Either by losing...or 'winning'.

She'll rationalize her worldview to fit around your relationship if it's quality.

anythinginc · 2017-09-14T14:42:26+00:00

she feels real love.

RP or BP, she does likely feel what she thinks is love right now. It may not be the lofty version of love that your BP self had, but it is likely close. At the very least you should feel comfortable saying she loves how you make her feel, and the way you treat her, and appreciate that a little, because there are women who wouldn't "love" you for it.

We know "love" is subjective because for some unhealthy/dysfunctional women "love" is treating them like shit and abusing them, for others it is letting you go off to work the rigs or the battlefield and cash your checks while you are away, for some it is just getting dicked down every other week, for ~40% of Americans it includes cheating on a partner, etc...but for some it has to be similar to the idealized male BP fantasy. And the BP fantasy desires and expects reciprocity, which is what I assume you mean when you say "managing."

And I think women understand that "love" means different things for different people, it is just a matter of showing/telling/convincing them that you doing/saying/feeling/showing/acting XYZ is "love," and them believing that it is compatible, equivalent, and reciprocal of what they are feeling/doing, and being content with it... we just can't expect every woman to be content with that, or for always and forever.

Do you appreciate her? Value her? Do your plans include her now and in the future? Like what she does for you and how you make her feel? Have bonding and emotional sexual experiences? Feel happy interacting with her? Then that is "love," and I don't mind telling my gf, she earned it. RP didn't take my humanity, it adjusted my expectations.

Sapphire_Jizz · 2017-09-14T10:52:53+00:00

Some women -- either through life experience (i.e. they're actually whores or engage in sugar-daddy-type arrangements) or otherwise -- are fully aware of the transactional nature of sexual relationships. They accept it... probably bitterly; indeed, the pill is a bitter one to swallow.

The majority of women are naturally redpilled to an extent and do recognize the transactional nature of many relationship dynamics. But there's nothing romantic or special about this, so they allow their own hamsters and solipsism to convince themselves that these dynamics don't apply to them. They're special snowflakes and are capable of finding True Love (tm). Women do this all the time -- they're masters of self-delusion. Not a bad thing per se, just how it is.

A small portion of women (probably even fewer than the jaded whores) are totally naive. Each category has some advantages and disadvantages, but I don't think that any is necessarily better or worse than another. You'd probably not want to wife up a jaded whore, although she might be the most down to earth and fun in the sack (or batshit insane).

End of the day though, women "don't want to know how the sausage is made" -- which I'd actually rephrase as "they don't want to be reminded how THEIR sausage is made." They may know in a general sense, but they want to keep their solipsistic realities nice and special and filled with BP fantasy. It also ties into self-perception: they don't want to see themselves as whores... but they have no issue calling women they don't like whores.

SailorAground · 2017-09-14T10:57:23+00:00

This brings up an interesting question, can we ever really truly be free from ALL of our delusions/blue pill rationalizations? I don't think we can because they drive our wants and desires and make up parts of our personalities. Really, as I force down the red pill, and our rather clinical explanations of interpersonal behavior, I'm left wondering how much of our personalities and individual traits affect how we act and how our women act.

I believe that they play a larger role than we admit or publicize. Some of us are going to be more disagreeable than others, and some women are going to be more bound to hypergamous tendencies or need firmer leadership than others. Really, what it boils down to, I think, is knowing yourself and knowing your woman, and then being able to assertively communicate your wants and needs.

TLDR: Know your woman, know yourself, and use the skills in WISNIFG to assertively communicate your wants and needs. Maybe I'm overthinking this.

RPJMRP · 2017-09-14T11:21:20+00:00

C.) Another option. You know her views. You can now sell your ideas daily based on that. Your push/pull game just got much that stronger.

You are essentially arguing to kill her femininity. Those beliefs which are rooted in emotions of the moment are what make her a woman. Take it away and what do you have?

Embrace it. Use it to your advantage.

Rian_Stone · 2017-09-14T12:44:52+00:00

Narratives are. King. Her feelings are fickle.

I focus on the actions, ignore the words and feelings. When they change, she will have a story for that as well

[deleted] · 2017-09-14T12:51:28+00:00

I'm not sure it is a fantasy. Just to round out views here. It could very well be a strategy for controlling you. If you reciprocate you move into her frame. She realizes it is horseshit but at the same doesn't think about it enough to realize that she realizes it is horseshit. It is intentional self delusion with the aim of controlling the frame and narrative by conning you into joining her.

recommendation if this resounds: be a little cynical enough to let her realize that you are and will always be master of the frame, but let your vocabulary mirror her romantic narrative, so that you avoid conflict, and gently make her reevaluate her strategy while seeing you as leader. If she confronts you on seeming duplicity, then you fog.

crimson_chris · 2017-09-14T13:56:30+00:00

So my wife and I tell our kids that half of the christmas presents come from Santa and half from us.

Red Pill is something like the matrix, you just feel it. Without knowing what it is, a woman naturally wants a RP man. She wants a man to take the lead. She wants to feel safe. She'd rather not make decisions (that she does not want to make). She wants an honest man, not a creepy "nice guy". She wants a man with a vision (because she wants a beacon to follow).

My wife has not read any RP/BP doctorine, but for most of our marriage she has been begging me to be more RP. She wanted to feel "safe", she did not want me to solve her problems, she wants to know our purpose...what are we trying to achieve - hell she even dropped hints that she wanted more domineering sex.

So I don't think it matters what your woman believes she wants. Most women want a RP man even if they don't articulate it. They don't know why but they do. Explaining to them why (how sausage is made) will not accomplish much.

Edit: And for "Scenario A" I think most women do feel "real love". Men "feel" real love as well. RP helps to unravel where those feelz really come from. But remember, even for a woman in BP fantasy (what she says) her love feelz will still be generated by RP behaviors (what he does). Her deep rooted needs for a RP man will be this itch that she can never seem to scratch with her BP mate. And it will come to a head as a DB, infidelity or divorce.

[deleted] · 2017-09-14T14:44:33+00:00

the idea is simple. Think about it. Do you care what she believes? or do you care how she acts? Which will you perceive?

The reality is, most women want a man who "just gets it" and makes them feel good.

If she were to be shown the nature of the world as you see it, she would loose her ability to be attracted to you. Because either you make her feel like a whore or you think girls are just for fucking. Neither is a pleasant thought for her.

If you want a woman that is OK with red pill beliefs, you have to find her fresh. Let someone else to do the work and take the blame.

Some women can not abide a relationship without the sweet stuff. Why pick those if you do not want those?

Or do you just want it to the exact degree you like it, and thats it?

fuckmrp · 2017-09-14T18:17:01+00:00

Women live in a world of assumptions and expectations. Blue and red pill views require different assumptions about life and therefor different expectations about outcomes. A delusion requires some false information taken as fact, an assumption can be entirely based on feels. Semantics aside, what she feels does not matter.

Blue pill logic seeks equality, red pill logic seeks balance. Given the female nature equality is not possible. "Once made equal to man, woman becomes his superior." Socrates

You're essentially asking if you should live a lie.

weakandsensitive · 2017-09-14T18:59:22+00:00

False time constraints seem perfect for this type of thing.

"As long as I'm happy and you're happy, let's not worry too much about it."

[deleted] · 2017-09-15T16:11:08+00:00

Since no one knows all truth about everything, everyone is wrong to different degrees regarding the nature of reality, even the "red pill" gurus.

drty_pr · 2017-09-16T02:12:04+00:00

My wife loves to read books about people, namely women, suffering in the past, mostly at the hands of men. These books are all wrote by feminists. She believes that because women suffered these injustices (apparently), that men are still responsible for these actions. Whatever book she is reading, I can guarantee she will try to goad me into some ludicrous argument based on that theme. I sometimes engage, because that's what she really wants. When I'm annoyed I stop. When I'm not in the mood, I simply don't acknowledge it.

At the end of the day, none of this shit matters. It's because she reads so damn much, she gets lost in the books. I could try to change her beliefs so she realizes that a lot of what she reads is fabricated. But why? It makes her happy to read this shit, so I leave it as it doesn't matter.

Does it really matter if you're girlfriend thinks you guys are sole mates?

screechhater · 2017-09-14T23:02:02+00:00

What's up ?

Got the pussy on a pedastal ?

She is the oldest teen in the house, she is gonna feel love with a strong fucker.

But what the fuck ? Does it mean you have to feel it ? Does it mean you have to placate her desires to not be you and fall into the blue pill web of shit ? no

This is sexual strategy right ?

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