Why so adversarial

matrixtospartanatLV · 2018-05-06T04:57:13+00:00

People come here because there is something wrong in their life.

Splinter in the mind, she won't fuck me anymore, I'm sad/tired/depressed/angry and I don't know why, I make 10 million a year and my wife still won't crawl on her knees for me, my kids hate me, I found her snapgram, Her pussy tasted like cum, etc. etc. etc. - Just scroll the post titles.

They got here because they were not getting the answers they need anywhere else.

Society says... more communication. More choreplay. Go to therapy. It's not your fault. It wasn't meant to be. It's normal for sex to drop off. Diamonds.

Slowly and gently jerking you off so you'll go back to sleep, sated and sedated. Opiate of the masses. Let me fix poor baby's feelings for you.

That doesn't work.

Actually, on some it does. But those who get lulled back to sleep never see inside here, and the few that do are "put off" by the naughty words and tone and turn and run back to their comfy "head in the sand " safespace with their tail tucked. And good riddance.

That's reason one why we are not all sugar and spice. If you lose your shit over some internet stranger calling you a faggot, then you are nowhere near dropping your fragile ego enough to actually listen to the harsh but necessary advice given here. Saves everybody involved time and energy.

Reason two is related. The problem, 92.3% of the time, is entirely of your own creation.

But, you've spent your entire life carefully calibrating your manic little ego protection hamster to absolutely rail against this very idea. How dare anyone question my righteousness!!!

Your wife won't tell you that you're a pussy even if you're hairier and stinkier than hers. Your friends won't tell you you're an asshole because that's not nice.

We will, here. And that requires a harsh look at where your problems actually lie, which is why it's important to provide as much info as possible when posting here. We see shit you can't, because we have been there, we see it here weekly, and you are too invested to be able to unravel the Gordian knot you're living in.

Reason three. This is a space that encourages/demands masculinity. It's actually the only cure for the issues that got you here in the first place. That involves being able to speak freely and critically, and having the balls and frame to both bust other guy's shit and get your shit busted in return. Locker room. I crack your ass with a wet towel snap, you better laugh it off and get me back, not cry and go hide in the corner. Be a proud masculinist.

That enough of an answer, faggot?

man_in_the_world · 2018-05-06T05:21:12+00:00

Most guys who show up here are highly codependent with, and undifferentiated from, their wives. Reducing codependence feels adversarial to Nice Guys^TM even though it need and should not be; others misunderstand the ideas here because of these feelings and misapply them.

Your misguided feelings that MRP is deeply adversarial actually reflects how deeply beta and Nice Guy^TM you are, not the true nature of MRP. Read NMMNG and WISNIFG and unfuck your thinking.

Sepean · 2018-05-06T07:28:48+00:00

Because women are wired to test their men for dominance. They do so by being defiant, hostile, bitching, commanding, deceptive and manipulative. Anything she can think of to get you to do what you don’t want to do, she’ll try it.

Going at your relationship from a cooperative frame will be met with contempt.

The only pleasant and stable relationship is one of complete male dominance and female submissiveness.

screechhater · 2018-05-06T04:21:59+00:00

Serioisly, do you want to improve ?

Me- 50, I have always followed my mission, even as a father- i take no prisoners, and yet i fell into my wifes “Gate Keeper” frame.

I found here. I am again, in 2 short years, the prize

I am driven, to my extremes, and of all the fucking carnage experiences that make me, me, MRP re enforces, no holes barred

You do not need coddling, you need honesty and boundaries. We aim to enforce them, for you, for me and for others

SteelSharpensSteel · 2018-05-06T04:35:55+00:00

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-male-social-matrix-back-to-sandbox.html?m=1 has your answer.

Terminal-Psychosis · 2018-05-06T13:23:39+00:00

Ha! Good leadership skills = aggressive? No.

The only thing passive-agressive here is OP's concern trolling.

Read the sidebar OP, if you're actually serious (doubtful),

alternately, take your concern trolling to /thepurplepill where it belongs.

matrixtospartanatLV · 2018-05-06T15:00:49+00:00

Passive aggressive is aggressiveness that is weak.

We are aggressive.

u/Triadis3 covered the locker room analogy.

Men end up here because they are in a catatonic state: non-responsive to life. They end up in the ER, and hooked up to a defibrillator. You think jumpstarting the heart is passive aggressive?

What about when that doesn’t work? They crack your sternum open, use a chest spreader, and work directly on the heart. Is that passive aggressive?

My son finished Army OSUT training. Basically 4 months of boot camp. Now he’s going Airborne, and upon completion of that will start RASP, the Ranger selection process.

Most of generation Z arrives there all confused, fucked up, crying at night, and too many actually try to escape. ‘Men’ are so weak now that they have a new discharge category: Refused To Train.

You’ve been farmed, grown, and raised to be nothing more than a provider/ATM machine on the level of the Matrix designed to serve the gynocracy through the feminine imperative.

Do you think anything less than aggressive behavior will wake the majority of these motherfuckers up?

The ONLY thing we have going for us is that we are trying to reverse 50+ years of programming to get back to what worked for THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

And THAT is why this shit works.

Feminism is an evil, invasive blight on ALL of us, but it can not and does not overwrite millennia of dna coding and biology on all levels.

And so, here, we jumpstart the man, and wake him up to the fact that access to the feminine of the species requires him to be...MASCULINE.

And that is why, in spite of feminism, women respond to Masculinity.

Now, you are one day old here.

I apologize if anyone has been less than aggressive with you. They are doing you a disservice. Like a parent calmly telling their 5 year old not to run into the street as they do, get run over by a car, and killed.

Welcome to MRP.

Open your eyes, shut your mouth, start reading the sidebar, and

GET TO FUCKING WORK.

redpillrobert · 2018-05-06T19:48:41+00:00

because that's the way of men

steel sharpens steel

RedPillCoach · 2018-05-06T21:31:34+00:00

It does feel adversarial sometimes but this is how men communicate and interact when they are not closely supervised by women. Many of you are to young to remember the fraternity hazings. We had to play this damn song constantly for 7 days straight and sleep on the floor. They woke us up and kicked the shit out of us, literally and figuratively. Paddled our ass, drank us till we puked and then made us clean the house hung over.

The first brother I ever met walked up to me at a party. I was running my mouth and this big fucker came over sloshing his beer on me.

"Hey mother fucker, I hear you want to pledge ....lets just call it "Alpha Alpha alpha...come with me."

I followed the drunk buffoon upstairs and there were five brothers sitting at a large desk like judges.

Total fucking silence for what seemed like a long time. Then the big guy got in my face and yelled. "Brah, what the fuck are you all about? Tell us right now!"

I passed the test: "I don't even know who the fuck you assholes are. What the fuck is going on?"

They tell me I was in the tops of the class of guys who don't submit. Apparently most guys start immediately spilling out information about themselves trying to hamster a solution to the question.

What are you all about?

The question is as important today as it was 32 years ago.

ReddJive · 2018-05-08T18:39:33+00:00

I'm sorry. Maybe we can go to church together. Then go out for some ice cream cones. I will bring one of my kids dolls and you can show me the bad place the Internet touched you.

cholomite · 2018-05-06T16:15:50+00:00

I had been getting shitty half assed advice from people my whole life and it wasn't working. When I came here and a bunch of guys called me a lazy faggot and a pussy, I knew they were telling the truth because they weren't bullshitting me or trying to spare my feelings. I respected that and it helped me get over the bullshit I was fed before.

Also, as a man, the world is full of people out to get you. If you can't handle getting called a bitch by a guy whose also going to take time out of his day to help you, then there's no way you'll be able to handle the bullshit in the real world from the guys who want to see you fail and drop off the earth.

Life isn't as rosy and peachy as society and the blue pill make it out to be, and I like that this place is a reflection of that. Most guys, myself included, spent our whole lives being told we were special and everything would work out if you play by the rules, the no bullshit attitude around here is a refreshing change from the comforting lies we've all been told.

As others have said, if you can't handle a random internet stranger calling you a bitch, you won't be able to handle when your girl calls you a bitch.

Persaeus · 2018-05-06T17:41:57+00:00

it's not really. it's direct and no quarter is given unless you have earned it.

i am wondering, were you primarily raised by women? if not, what were the men in your life like? honest question.

FireTempered · 2018-05-07T01:27:30+00:00

u/jcrpta said it well:

Hear me through: Men bond by saying nasty things to each other they don't really mean.

Piss off OP /s

lasteem1 · 2018-05-07T19:10:30+00:00

Noted.

Reach180 · 2018-05-07T19:20:44+00:00

You typically get the adversarial posts from the worthwhile contributors as a push back on the ego, entitlement, and covert contracts that you reveal.

But a large portion adversarial posts is just what I call "alpha signaling"...the manosphere analog to "virtue signaling". Novices come barking out "tough love", because they think that's what it takes to earn cred here, so they follow a paint by number version of what a flaired guy did somewhere else.

Most of those guys reveal themselves as db manginas if you go back 3 days and read their OYS posts.

red-sfpplus · 2018-05-07T20:26:27+00:00

Because it has to be.

weakandsensitive · 2018-05-08T04:40:23+00:00

Why so soft?

lasteem1 · 2018-05-06T19:36:48+00:00

Most of the time it’s not warranted. A very small percentage of the time it is. Mostly just douchebags that want to seem whatever their small mind has decided alpha is.

Title	Why so adversarial
Author	ExploringMyselfToday
Upvotes	2
Comments	38
Date	May 6, 2018 3:51 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askMRP
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