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[–]kathruins 26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
she's knows it's better for her mental health if she doesn't fuck you but is still tempted. so do whatever you think is best, but do understand she's in a fragile place. if things go awry that's why. it's not bc of games or any shit.
[–]Scylarx 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is a fantastic point of view. I think I just need to take it a bit slower in my mind.
[–]bayareaburgerlover 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
also in your head… (the other head)
[–]OkConcentrateNow 59 points60 points61 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I mean it's not hard, she's another human being, if she says no then you stop, if sex is a priority to you then you find someone else and let her go. If she is worth waiting for then you wait.
[–]NatashOverWorld 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
This. Seduction is for one night stands.
You start mixing feelings and seduction, you take the chance if ruining it.
[–]OkConcentrateNow 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
One can employ seduction in a relationship of any length but women are not agents to satisfy our urges, if she doesn't wish to participate then let her be. It is very simple.
[–]NatashOverWorld 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don't know if I agree with that. Most of seduction is highlighting our best qualities in such a way that it leads to positive rapport.
Ethically not great, but everyone puts their best for forward in the beginning, and chooses to create positive outcomes.
But you keep up the mindset of seduction in a rlship and it starts coming across as hollow. Maybe some people are as high energy, confidant and capable in day to day as they are in the scene.
But most of us aren't. If she's not interested and he starts using the mindset of seduction to push for it, it can ruin the relationship.
[–]WarezMyDinrBitc 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There is still seduction in a relationship its just a different kind the longer it goes. Don't be so obtuse.
[–]NatashOverWorld 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But it's not the same as what's shared and suggested on this subreddit. So unless you make it clear, you do a disservice to the OP that's asking for advise 🤷🏾♂️
[–]PainDevourer 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think seduction is mostly about pressing the right buttons at the right time. This is of course needed in a LTR as well as in ONS. If pressing these buttons does not make her willingly spread her legs for you, it’s a no and you have to except it!
[–]Kobe_curry24 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
EXACLY this is not r/dating man this is increase the fck rate seduction and if you can’t get her that means your seduction skills needs help lol
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seduction is typically the long(er) game. Pua is one night stands devoid of emotions.
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Heh.You write your first two sentences as if you've been with her for weeks. Then we come to discover it's only been one damn week and she's barely out of an old relationship. Heck, for all you know, she's actually still with the guy/they're taking a quick break etc. So I would bring my expectations way down and actually see the situation for what it really is so far.
And when is she saying that she doesn't want to hook up every time? In the moment or in advance over text? If you don't feel you're getting your needs met or aren't interested in the song and dance, I'd focus more on other women. She may yet come around down the line.
[–]RedArcheos 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can only speculate her intentions. You will never be sure.
I would rather give myself options by seeing other girls and avoid getting attached until she clarify what she want, to manage my risk. At that point, you can always make a decision if your situation doesn't change.
[–]pusillanimous303 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Could be a game. But it’s entirely reasonable that she doesn’t want to jump right into a new relationship, a week out.
[–]Moodybleu44 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She’s only been single for a week? Take her for her word. She freaking needs time to sort herself out.
[–]AndyTateIsRight 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Back off and lose interest if you want to keep her.
Scarcity creates demand
[–]Scylarx 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doing exactly that
[–]Particular_Visual531 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Either play it cool, and I mean play it cool. Date other girls, go out with the guys, and just enjoy the FWB thats she's willing to be, or cut it off. Don't play around with being her toy. She enjoys using you to feel good but doesn't want to commit. If you're ok with that then enjoy the benefits by dating other girls and doing whatever the hell you want.
[–]sweetlew3002 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a game. She's still banging her ex.
[–]hjallday182 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This.
[–]ChicoBrillo 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wouldn’t get hung up on her or invest too much emotionally. That’s very recent and depending how long they were together she may need a lot of time to process it.
I def wouldn’t be considering a relationship if I were you
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Even if you think she's lying or messing you around, you can NEVER call anybody out on this and expect to have a relationship left at the end of it. Always keep it in the back of your mind that they *might* be lying, but always give people the benefit of the doubt until they clearly prove it beyond a doubt.
When a girl talks about her ex, she's typically talking about a guy she was sleeping with last. Whether they actually had or still have a relationship of some kind or not is somewhat irrelevant. She just wants you to think that the guy is history, when that may not be the case.
She then mentions needing "breathing room" between her last "relationship" and yet she has sex with you anyway, but then acts difficult. All signs point to the fact that she likes sleeping around right now and doesn't want to get attached to you or anyone. She's putting all of this in the context of managing her relationships so that you don't think she's a slut (which she's trying to hide I think). This is fairly normal behavior with women after ONS as well. Everything is great in bed, but outside of the bedroom they tend to act like they don't want to know you any more.
Usually the story is that the "ex" was "mean" to her so she's not seeing him anymore... or some nonsense like that. She's probably open to sleeping with him again though, but in order to not look like a slut she'll say that they got back together or something when she refuses to see you anymore. Maybe he's a really good root, but she's trying to expand her options. Women can also do this if they're hunting for provider material after getting knocked up by said "ex". A lot of dudes fall into the "captain save a ho" frame after hearing her sob story about how badly her "ex" treats her. Then these dudes offer themselves up as an alternative and be extra nice to her, but strangely (at least to them) sex doesn't happen! While they're confused as to why they're being nicer to her than the ex is, they might eventually wake up to themselves that they're being used, and what's more, discover that she really enjoys getting slammed in bed by the ex on a routine basis! It usually is that the only "bad" thing the ex does to her is to reject her for any long-term relationship because he's banging some other girl himself.
Anyway, women don't really need to clarify their relationship status unless they feel like you're projecting a relationship onto her that she doesn't want. She puts it this way in order to let you down that you may not have a reliable sexual go-to in future, but also to cover herself lest you think she's sleeping around - which she probably is anyway.
As a guy - yeah this can suck, but beautiful women in their youth have the ability to sleep around much more than most guys do and it's damn frustrating. This is why you have to learn game - so you too have options. Present yourself as a manwhore to the women who want to sleep around and you'll get your fair share of poontang as well.
[–]Scylarx 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh I’m sleeping with another girl at the same time. I just like this one way more. I’m good at making her feel really good so I’m not too stressed about it. But yeah good advice. Thanks mate.
[–]darktirade 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Although this sounds funny, I would find out her exes name and check him on one of those crime databases to see if he has any violent felonies before proceeding.
[–]Mr_Throwaway2834 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you put feelings into casual sex then it's not really casual is it?
[–]Professional_Ad_78 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whatever you do, don’t smother her, or vomit feelings at her. Call it what it is - you’re probably a rebound. Give her a bit of space, don’t pursue her all the time. And just create fun hangouts. See if you can get her over to drink a bottle or wine, cook dinner together. Be a source of fun, and not pressure for her.
[–]Nullroute127 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm trying to read between the lines here just based on one side of the story.
"Last week" - she's rebounding "she doesn't want to hook up with me every time I see her... breathing room" - She's feeling a tad slutty moving on so quickly from her last relationship. "always getting really physical" - Her words aren't matching her actions. When in doubt, read the actions and disregard the words.
My read on this is that she's looking for some deniability for her feelings of moving on too quickly, but she DOES want to have a sexual relationship with you. Basically, you need to be a sex Jesus and absolve her of her 'sin' by taking the responsibility and causal actions of sex unto yourself.
IMO, the way to play this is to make the sex "just happen" and to disqualify the sex. For example, instead of texting, "Come over for dessert ;)" say something that disqualifies the sex like, "Taking my neighbor's dog for a walk come through if you like. Just no funny business since I'm trying to set a good example for Fido." Both of those are poor lines, but something along the lines of disqualifying the sex.
Then, if things get heavy when you meet - she has deniability that she PLANNED to have sex with you. The sex 'just happened.' Basically, don't try to change her mind on the sex, change the way she feels about the sex.
Fuck thats awesome. Thanks for taking the time to help me figure it out man. Ill try it out
Appreciate all the advice! I think I need to reset my expectations and not be driven by my desires constantly.
[–]Gjokutaj 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'd stay away, dangerous game.
[–]edjohn88 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It could be but it’s hard to be sure where her mindset is coming from. She could be alpha widowed, or she could actually be so flooded with distress temporarily from being dumped that she doesn’t have her bearings yet.
[–]KevinNeville25 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Breaks up last week! Touchy, flirts and as sex with someone else while in relationship, or just after. Needs space after it ends.
You sure don't see anything here? You aren't a good person too! Why would you be asking such a question while you were touchy with a girl in a relationship, and ask if she is playing games?
Here is the game: She was flirting while in a relationship, with you. Needs space after it.
Get someone else. This doesn't feel great.
[–]Furyann -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’d feel worse for the ex if she is playing games
Bruv just play the field the worse thing guys do is they find what they consider a unicorn( prolly not) and they stop going out finding new leads she might not even be good just manipulating you for attention, you go for sex and try get her on a date if not by 2 weeks drop that bitch , rivelino said if she can’t fkc you in 7 days in the most sexual times ever drop that bih you not a priority
[–]MrBlack__ -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah bro take it fucking easy, you’ve already had sex with her, she’s not playing a game she’s clearly emotionally drained man. Give her a break jeeez
You need to read some books on human emotions
[–]AndyTateIsRight 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As do you about female psychology.
[–]MrBlack__ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There’s game and then there’s just being a dick. She’s slept with the dude already, wanting more from her when she’s in a vulnerable position is just creepy.
He wants a sex doll… ok fine but she’s a person too fucking hell you guys give seduction a bad rep
[–]revente 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ask yourself what you want to do.
If you want something out of it, then you got to at least try.
[–]fazzavich[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Heads up, you're the side guy. She's playing. Reason she's emotional is because she's banging 2 different men within days or potentially the same day, women are not emotionally or mentally strong enough to cope with this which is why most women need huge time between relationships. Huge red flags I'd be jumping out the boat. It's going to get worse.
[–]mrkenzo1950 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just tell her the truth.
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