Wanted to make this post to encompass some of the things I've learned while out infield since I began my journey on seduction. For context this will mostly apply to people who are more serious about pick up (going to bars/clubs/other venues regularly) who are looking to improve thier game. I know that the paradigm of this subreddit has shifted since I last used it on a different account a year and a half back and that material here is more related to inner game now then outer game, but I'd still like to contribute this post as I'm hoping to add value. here.

Some background: Been in the game for 3 years, originally found seddit three years ago when it had 15,000 subcribers. Been working on game since then, I'd say I'm very good by now.

Negging

Let's make one thing clear. Negging does work. However, negging has to be applied to the correct type of woman. You don't use it for the cute HB7 chick who works at the cashier. Or the above avergage waiter. No, you use it on the HB10 at the club who is getting all the guys' attention and is shooting them down left and right.

The importance of pulling of a neg is the subtelty. Yes, a neg is a back handed compliment designed to lower someone's own percieved value to show that yours is higher (which raises their interest in you). Which is why it's reserved for the super high value women who see themselves as better than everyone. A perfect neg is a compliment and a backhanded comment at the same time.

Ex:

I really like your hair, you'd look great as a blonde

Wow, that dress is amazing, I saw two other girls wearing it earlier

Delivery is important as well,you'll know it's pulled off correctly if you get something along the lines of a slap in the arm and a laugh from her. For women who aren't HB 10s and super high value, stick to cocky/funny or general bantering.

"The right way"

There is no single right way to game a woman. RSD, David Deangelo, Neil Strauss, they all promote different ways to game women, but there's more than one way to cook an egg. People will say that one routine or opener is better than the other, some support cocky/funny and others denounce it, some are for following a system and others are for going out and seeing how the night goes, but in the end what matters is that your being congruent with who you are.

If you naturally like to bust balls, then by all means use cocky/funny. If you feel safer using one opener rather than the other, use it. What's important is that your being congruent, that your actions align with your thoughts, and you'll be seen as more genuine.

General Clubbing advice

Once you get into the club then you should practice warming up. Talk to everyone you see (specifically women). It gets you into the opening mindset. Be clear and louder than normal, be comfortable with touching people (men and women), be confident in everything you do and you'll find yourself being able to do things like escalating quickly and sexually with women.

When it comes to dancing, its important to be having fun and being self amused. Be energetic and you can start groups of people to start dancing around you. Look up videos on youtube on dancing tutorials and you can learn some great moves to bust on the dance floor. Btw, gaming women on the dance floor is mostly body language and heavy kino, verbal game is for outside the club or for when your with her in the lounges/other places where people aren't dancing.

I don't care what anyone here says, opening sets with multiple girls is not fucking easy if you don't have wings. Wingmen are lifesavers, women in general will cockblock you if you're seen gaming their friends. Have wings who can distract the other girls while you isolate and build rapport with your girl. Bounce to different venues as a group to build comfortability with your girl, same night lays are much easier to pull when logistics are in your favor, highly consider getting a hotel room within walking distance of the club (or less than a five minute drive).

Plausible Deniability

Women don't like being seen as sluts, but they do enjoy sex. So when your gaming a girl and want to switch from the venue or date to your home for the f-close. Use plausible deniability. It's simply coming up with a different excuse to go back to your home, she's very well aware what's going down, but once it's overtly talked about ("lets go home because your turning me on") she's going to pulL up her anti slut defense.

Ex:

Ya I've been to tons of places, we should go back to my condo, I've got some great pictures of my trip to Hawaii that you should see.

I'm starved, lets go back to my apartment and so I can cook us up some pasta.

Use plausible deniability so you can give her an excuse to go back to your place without making herself feel slutty. At your home you can build sexual tension, escalate, and go for the f-close. However, don't be overt about you and her having sex until the sexual emotions in her are high enough. You can talk about anything else, but no about you and her having sex.

Note: Plausible deniability is for women you havn't banged yet, after a sense of comfortability is built after having sex more than two or three times, you can just be direct about taking her home for sex

Friends with benefits and spinning plates

Friends with benefits are handled differently than relationships. Kinda obvious but many guys screw up becuase they get attached and aske for too much time from the girls. General advice for friends with benefits:

  • Make it clear on what the relationship is so she doesn't freak out later on when you tell her you have other women that you're spinning.

  • Meet up no more than twice in ten days.

  • Reserve texting and calling for logistics, emotional rapport building is used when your face to face with her.

  • Be busy, if you're not then give off the impression that you are.

  • Don't act all cuddly like your a couple, your friends with benefits, keep it that way or else you may send mixed signals.

  • Use preselection if you can, have a picture with you and other hot women pass by as your sifting through your photos in your phone while she's looking.

  • Generally, the better the lifestyle the longer she'll be inclined to stay. However, friends with benefits won't last more than 8 months as many women will want relationships sooner or later, by then she'll have either ended it for other pursuits or you woul have ended it becuase she keeps bringing up relationships with you.

Aesthetics

Look, no matter what tyler is going to tell you. Looks make a difference. I've gotten into bodybuilding after about a year of doing pick up and the results have been astounding. Much more attention from 8s and above, more room for forgiveness if you screw up, you'll be allowed to escalate much quicker with many women, compliments from women that feed your ego. It's amazing.

Also consider the rest of your aesthetics, consider getting your teeth fixed if their messed up, get some acne cleansers to clean your face, hell, get your eye brows threaded if you have to. Limiting beliefs should be applied to things you can't change, if you can obviously change it then work to improve it. The better looking you are the better success rate you will have, as pick up is a numbers game.

When your at venue with tons of women, why would she choose you if all you have is confidence and good inner game? That is not all it takes! Men in pick up don't realize that pickup is general life improvement and think that they can go around looking like shit as long as they have inner game down. No, you want to stick out from the crowd so she can have a positive first impression of you and be attracted to you before you even approach (this makes gaming her MUCH EASIER), dress well, wear nice cologne, work on aesthetics.

Other general advice

  • She may be into you and giving plenty of IOIs, but you can't pull unless you have compliance from her. If she's willingly doing what you want, then that's a very good sign that you can pull.

  • Use screening questions or statements to find out more about her (ex: Are you into this...you like your probably into...you seem like the type to...blah blah) They're great for rapport building.

  • She won't sleep with you until a certain level of comfort is built, some guys can build comfort quickly and pull f-closes in the club bathrooms, to get to this level you have to master how to make her feel completely fine with being open around you.

  • Find new and creative ways to kino (ex:oil massages)

  • Put in a lot of effort into building your lifestyle. Attractive lifestyles are attractive, watch out for high value men and women and befriend them, showing enough value in their social circles can you net you hook ups from women in their groups.

  • The only time you should take advice from women is if they're educated on pick up and accept the truths that game teaches. If not, then don't take their advice.

  • Her body language is everything, many women bring up LMR but still act like they want the D. Freeze outs are a great way to get her re-ingaged. If she says "we're not having sex" but is still touching you all over, then you're having sex (don't force her through). Continue to kino with her and build on the sexual emotions and she'll drop the LMR, is she does keep bringing it up, then freeze out.

  • Many women who do have boyfriends will sleep with you if you simply provide more value than her boyfriend. I'd had experiences where I've gotten blowjobs in my car from a girl after pulling her from the club, then she would tell me that she has a boyfriend but was just looking for fun. My friends who wing also have had many similar experiences. If she tells you she has a boyfriend then it's really your choice if you want to pursue, if you do, pass it off as a shit test and keep gaming her.

  • The best way to improve is to go out there and get the the experience, don't just sit around reading on pua material all day, go out there and practice!