MysteryMethod only for US people?

masteryido · 2018-07-19T11:38:09+00:00

I have lived and gamed in both US and Europe and this is my take on it.

Mystery Method works universally. It is the foundation on which modern game is built on. However, you must realise that on a social level, US and Europe are very different.

Europe is less openly social than the US. You barging in and rattling off your game is very weird for Europeans whereas Americans would find it more intriguing. A rule of thumb I go by is "American girls like exciting guys, European girls like cool guys".

In all my years of gaming in Europe, I have never seen anyone who solely brings energy pick up a girl. Even my wings, who are extremely energetic since they are American, tone it down heavily after the hook.

Another example is look at American guys who come to Europe. The guys who get laid are calm and collected whereas the dancing monkey's get absolutely nothing because it is extremely obnoxious behaviour over here.

Best of luck

Foobyx · 2018-07-19T16:21:41+00:00

Eu girls are not receptive to MM gimmicks. I always thought these work for "dumb blond american girls" - cliché, cause in Eu, they perceive it as fake canned opener or simply weird. From what i read it's almost like your entire game is solely based on these, you should you them to spice your teasing but not as a main conversation thread.

Just say "hi" and engage the conversation about the place / event / her. Tease, play a bit then quick build confort, and you will see if it matches or not. Don't use tricks

IllStep · 2018-07-19T11:33:13+00:00

I've never known someone be successful (getting laid with hot girls from cold approach) using mysterymethod. It just makes you look like an odd ball in my experience. At best you're the 'fun' guy making baloon animals in the corner.

Just talk like a normal person. Hey, what's your name kind of thing. it's not as if some magic trick is gonna wanna make her bang you! Or any of the methods in fact. (DHV stories, negs etc) None of it works as advertised. Mystery was actually a magician,/illusionist. Tall as fuck. Decent looking. He found something that worked for HIM, even though much of it was uneccessary. Some random dude doing this stuff and using them cheesy ass lines makes me cringe

Attraction is largely down to you being her physical preference. After that, things like good body language and passing her shit tests are the most important thing. ''What you say doesn't matter, it's how you say it''- All of the mystery method stuff is just for marketing and show.

Plus his whole 'model' has been debunked by many other PUA's producing infields of doing everything 'wrong' in terms of mysterymethod and still killing it.

forseti_ · 2018-07-19T09:37:00+00:00

It's not what you say but how you say it. One possibile reason why it doesn't work might be that it just isn't something you would like to say to a girl.

But I would try to make it work just for fun. Experiment with the way you say this stuff.

Xen0ph · 2018-07-19T11:40:54+00:00

I'm gonna guess from reading your post that it's more the vibe and the energy you're giving off rather than the actual canned material. If you're not congruent with the stuff you say then you're going to leave an almost uncanny valley, disgusting taste in their mouths and it would have just been better if you had just said what you wanted to say rather than running Mystery's canned lines. You'll come across like a robot and women are VERY good at picking this stuff up intuitively.

These days people recommend you don't run Mystery method and just try and be more true to yourself, which is why we've had the rise of Natural and Inner game.

Another thing to point out is that European women tend to be much more guarded when you approach them vs American women, just due to cultural differences. European people tend to be much more reserved while in America they have a culture of fake friendliness so they're much easier to open.

judahman8 · 2018-07-19T11:47:07+00:00

This is for night game right? Honestly I really do think it's only for the US and maybe a couple of other places. Actually when I go to a club with a lot of girls that arn't from the US I don't use any routines from MM but I still use the basic out line. Like I know what steps I have to take but I just keep the routines out of it.

I'll probably use a ftc, DHV stories and compliance test but I won't do any palm reading or anything too gimmicky like best friends test and Im a lot more direct with my opener. I'll say something like "you guys seem like you have a good energy." Or I'll open with something like "are any of you girls rich? I'm looking for a posh girl to take care of me and buy me nice things."

You want to go into kino as quick as possible and you want to get the girls laughing quickly. Telling a quick story that is also funny can work as sort of a stand up joke and really open up the set. Once you do a single thing entertaining and the set is hooked its time yo turn the attention onto them. Start making them qualify and just esculate kino and joke and laugh with them.

Don't get too caught up on using exact routines. MM gives you a great idea of how picking up a girl from start to finish works and why certain things would work but you don't have to use what he says word for word. That opinion opener you are using isn't going to work anywhere. It's just not a good opinion opener because it's obvious that you are only aaking it to start up a conversation and it's a lame question in general.

This is what I think people are getting confused about when they say MM is outdated because certain topics can become outdated. Opinion openers don't get out dated but a specific one might. I use is it cheating if your girlfriend kisses another girl right now because it seems like something we are actually having a debate over. I go into the fact that my boy says he's going to break up with his girl because she kissed another and how I think it's rediculous. Even if they know I'm just trying to start a convo it's a lot more realistic and it seems like you are actually giving an opinion on something you care to give an opinion on.

But yeah you should drop the opinion opener in Europe anyways and all the canned routines and rely heavily on kino, funny dhv stories and witty banter.

acquired_ · 2018-07-19T18:19:49+00:00

Because MM is linear, it's not really equipped to navigate reality on a moment to moment level

She can go from "stage one" to the "last stage" in seconds, while you still running your routine in g6. If you think about sex and foreplay, it doesn't work like this. You fuck with your own cock, not another mans, so why speak from another mans words. MM is button pushing, as if women are robots etc. There's several flaws with MM in practice for the average guy

It's a nice theory that started all of what is happening today. It's over a decade old, the landscape has changed

nevermindmybusiness · 2018-07-19T09:18:22+00:00

I only read the two first paragraphs but i have to say this to you: the mistery method is extremely outdated. The canned dialogue i mean (all of that "who lies more" and "palm reading" stuff) inner game is and will always be important, as well as the 30 second rule. But the mistery method has been available to the public for so much time that everyone uses it and changes in society (technology, social media) just make some of the canned material obsolete by this point.

WIA20XX · 2018-07-19T11:52:50+00:00

1) Your delivery is off. I can tell just by your written word that your spoken words are off.

2) the US and Canada are a lot more open to strangers. Even the UK is different, and they get a lot of American pop culture.

There are plenty of mystery method Europeans and lots more direct game guys. The structure and tools are calibrated for the environment.

Off top, I would check out Teev on nextasf forum.

Be glad that you're in Europe, lot of guys here are in India and the Middle East - and their social situation is way fucked.

Title	MysteryMethod only for US people?
Author	lobitaway01
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Date	July 19, 2018 9:09 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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