PUA Hate??

TofuTofu · 2011-03-25T11:26:19+00:00

This is why you must field test EVERYTHING and see for yourself.

yokhai · 2011-03-25T13:29:09+00:00

Does it matter if it's a placebo? Like tofu said, test everything you see. As long as you aren't manipulating or lying to women, if it works, do the details matter?

Here's the problem with people monitizing ANY aspect of this scene, is that the extremes get the most attention. mPUA and guru's are selling you "PICK UP EVERY SUPER MODEL EVER OMG PUSSY IS FALLING FROM THE SKY" and opponents of this is all "these guys are misogynists and will do anything to fuck any girl, its all lies and you shouldn't trust them"

Everyone has opinions. Marks has some points, but then he goes on to try and disqualify the competition by saying all they focus on is "whores" or "unworthy girls".

Read between the lines, he is trying to sell you a better product by selling the promise of a better girl? That's fucked up man. That is some real subtle sexism going on.

And that website? PUAHate, is all the reason why we don't want this community spreading out. People just take the worsts parts about anything, and try to hate on it.

Yes, the seduction community can show you how to become a cold, calculating, lying douchebag out to get his dick wet everynight. And we DESPISE that aspect of it. Like Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility. Everyone in this community has the responsibility to use it wisely and justly, and learn the proper purpose for this.

People are going to oversimplify and pick apart anything you do, becuase they are not happy with themselves, or couldn't figure out it or get it to work for them. Fuck them.

Use the techniques to craft the best version of yourself. It's all about growth. Is there any difference between muscle gained lifting weights or throwing hail bails? No, and there isn't any difference between having a great personality from growing up with it or from learning to tailor it the way you want it.

alexryane · 2011-03-25T17:37:55+00:00

Some ideas

Expensive books and DVDs are easy money. Do you know how easy it is to publish things these days?
YouTube is your friend, and secret-filming is fun! Sometimes you fake it, sometimes its real, but it's sure as hell more fun than writing boring copy.
Running a 'boot camp' or seminar is a great way to make people believe you can change them in 3 days in return for a shit load of cash, all it takes is a cheap hotel meeting room
One-on-one mentors are possibly the greatest way to milk people, if you're not successful you can always blame it on the client, the girls or bad luck. Best part is, you don't need to rent anything out.
Remember, you don't need to be able to 'teach' to be able to charge people for your teaching. Just say things like "You're technique needs allot of work" or "Homework: talk to 30 girls"
You also don't need to be successful to teach. Fucked 10 mediocre bitches this year? Congratulations, you're a pro! You're a Casanova! Get out there and rake in the cash

There's actually an entire sub-community dedicated to improving your business and seo skills so you can cash in from desperate people.

2011-03-25T11:48:08+00:00

"Find a girl with self-esteem who won't drama on you."

My current girlfriend is a solid 8, bright redhead with cute freckles and a nice body... but her best quality is EASILY her self-confidence. I have absolutely NO DRAMA to deal with. I never thought this was possible.

Listro · 2011-03-25T12:45:06+00:00

What are you looking for?

Go out and get it.

Disregard the things that don't work, keep the things that do work. If you're honest with yourself and what you're doing in your life you won't need other people to answer your current question.

2011-03-25T13:50:28+00:00

If you read this thread: http://www.puahate.com/showthread.php?t=9042

you realize that a lot of those guys are just bitter assholes/trolls.

on_the_dl · 2011-03-25T17:31:21+00:00

From what little I've read and heard, Michael Marks is saying the equivalent of, "Everyone else is selling snake oil except me, buy my snake oil."

Either he believes in this stuff and he's yet another "teacher" or he's calling bullshit on them and himself, too. He must be an egotist to imagine that his particular method is the real one.

maxormis · 2011-03-25T18:20:06+00:00

http://www.eseduce.com/owen-cooks-aka-tyler-durden-of-rsd-child-girlfriend/

senator_mendoza · 2011-03-25T13:25:25+00:00

some of it is, some of it isn't man. like tofu said, the only way to find out what works for you is to TRY STUFF and, along the way, figure out what DOESN'T work for you.

TheSonofLiberty · 2011-03-25T15:45:42+00:00

Meh, that website is filled full of hate. They seriously don't have anything nice to say about anyone.

I was actually curious about that site too, but when every single thread has curses and insults on people they don't know and have never wronged them, I'm just not going to read it.

vegaeccentric · 2011-03-25T17:01:20+00:00

It's important to just take what's out there with a grain of salt. There is a fair amount of bullshit being thrown around, but that can be said about any type of self-help theory. Take what you want, what works for you; and to hell with the rest of it.

SpiderFan · 2011-03-25T20:26:10+00:00

I like that site. There is a lot of bullshit in the PUA industry. That being said, the advice given out by PUAs are mostly legit, it's just that when it comes to marketing and creating a cult-like following does the PUA industry waver. They are desperate for your money. Style was talking about how RSD used manipulation tactics on their clients in The Game, I've been in stylelife and his company does the same thing. I mean, there were similiar tactics being used by Scientologists and MLM marketing like scAmway.

However, some of that is understandable. You'd be surprised how little most of these PUAs make. I remember in Jeffy Show he was talking about his shitty car and having to live with roommates. Being a mPUA is like being an artist or an athlete. If you're at the very top like Owen Cook, Neil Struass, or Nick Savoy, you're probably making bank. But from what I read about even other high level mPUAs such as Cajun and Jeffy, they make a decent living but not anywhere as decent as you think it might be. That's why I always pay for PUA products whenever I get a chance. And when I'm doing well financially I'll stop pirating.

But when there isn't a financial incentive involved, the stuff from Venusian arts, love systems, stylelife, rsd, sinn, mehow, etc. is gold gold gold.

/rant

Chipocabra · 2011-03-26T13:39:23+00:00

I just browsed that site a bit and I must say Tylers 30th looked a bit...dull to put it lightly. Very enlightening.

While most of the guys on that board do seem to be racist, hating, douchbags they do have a point. Go to the dating guru secret info section and have a browse. I must say I'm disappointed.

Never the less, like tofu said, test the shit and use what works. I know some of this stuff helped me immensely but I'll be viewing everything I hear from the 'masters' now with a whole barrel of salt and keep my ears ready for cash register sounds.

The only one who's trophy wall looks remotely like what they claim to be capable of pulling is Mystery. The rest just seem like normal guys and their normal girlfriends.

DoctorDolenz · 2011-04-26T02:47:06+00:00

I've been reading Michael Marks material since long before the book "The Game" came out, Michael is the original dating coach for guys interested in actually getting an amazing girlfriend. He applies the best of both worlds, he understands the seduction methods, and also understand their flaws and drawbacks as well as strengths. His programs take the best of all worlds, including the world of actual psychology.

I've tried all of Michael Marks' "Get A Great Girl" material, including his Actions For Attraction Set and his latest program Warrior Within, and I have found him to be the most focused and reality-based coach on the subject of meeting women that have the combination of looks plus long-term potential as a trustworthy girlfriend, as opposed to just getting laid.

He stays away from extremes, which means he sacrifices a lot of marketing potential, which is why some folks haven't heard of him yet. It's the "pussy falling from the sky" and other sleazy marketing that tends to get "gurus" attention. Michael avoids all this in the name of actually helping guys and putting money a distant second behind truth and evidence.

For example, I listened to his material on overcoming approach anxiety, and it was the only program I have ever experienced that was actually effective for me, and was more than just a "motivation session", it is based on actual psychological research and the way the brain works, and not a single dating coach out there has ever said a word about it.

Again, this should prove to anyone reading this, the very fact you haven't heard about it, but that it is in fact based on what works, is proof that Michael has avoided the "pussy falling from the sky" marketing and instead focuses on what actually can be done to help a guy. For example, as I've said, his material on overcoming approach anxiety.

Similarly, his work on detecting attractive women that have a strong chance of being faithful, his work on improving one's sense of humor, all his work is based on real research, from psychological research to interviews with real comedians, it's all reality based and not hype-based marketing.

Michael Marks has deep insight into what it takes to find and attract a quality girlfriend for a great relationship as opposed to just getting laid, which are two very different things, and as you might guess, it's a lot easier to just get laid.

He has free samples of what's in his book and in his programs on his site, so you can try it out for free and see for yourselves. By the way, about myself, I met a fantastic girl about 8 months ago that I'm still dating (which I owe largely to what I've learned from Michael), but I find that his programs also help for keeping the attraction strong in a relationship, so I still read his newsletters and enjoy going over his programs.

Here's a video interview with him that might help you get an idea of what he teaches and how: http://watch.ctv.ca/news/top-picks/dating-tips/#clip137950

DoctorDolenz · 2011-04-26T03:26:27+00:00

I posted here, but I don't see it, maybe it takes time to see it posted, but in brief, my post was that Michael Marks' material is the only material that made a significant difference for me, especially for getting over approach anxiety and also for keeping a woman attracted long-term.

He combines the best of the seduction strategies with the best of the actual psychological research out there applied to the topic of meeting and attracting women.

I highly recommend him, and he would be far more famous if he resorted to the marketing sleaze a la "pussy falling from the sky" but he instead prefers to keep things a lot more grounded in reality, and getting guys actual results rather than promising b.s. that most guys seem to want to hear.

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/top-picks/dating-tips/#clip137950

Nexism · 2011-03-25T09:53:07+00:00

I mentioned this in AskSedding (something similar).

Seduction is an art, how we use it depends on us.

Some guys use it for a one night stand, other guys use it to fortify LTRs.

It's like learning to talk first, then learning to talk with women (seduction).

frogma · 2011-03-25T14:03:21+00:00

As a guy who's fucked a lot of girls, trust me when I say WHO GIVES A SHIT??

Bro, I was already doing a lot of the techniques and shit before I knew anything about the community. Attractive, in-demand guys tend to do that. That's all you need to know.

I happen to like Tyler Durden, so I don't give a shit what his girlfriend looks like- assuming she's still his girlfriend, and assuming that's the right girl (didn't actually see a picture of her).

And that other guy's stupid. David Wygant's the most famous dating coach there is, they made a fuckin chick-flick based on what he does. I'm pretty sure you can trust him over Marky Mark or whoever was in that video.

virginoil · 2011-03-25T17:05:26+00:00

Good site that exposes all the PUA bullshit for what it is - BULLSHIT. Especially RSD. Have you seen Tyler fucking a hot girl? Cause I sure haven't.

Title	PUA Hate??
Author	confusednewbie
Upvotes	7
Comments	23
Date	March 25, 2011 9:28 AM UTC (15 years ago)
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