Thoughts on: Double standard between sexualizing underaged girls vs underaged boys?

SchalaZeal01 · 2024-11-05T14:50:15+00:00

Germaine Greer was not canceled. So its a mini controversy that didn't even get out of intern stuff. Germaine Greer got a lot more shit for being a TERF than for sexualizing boys.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2024-11-05T16:26:19+00:00

First, they're conflating history with modern day, which isn't fair. Culture has massively shifted on this subject. Life was very oriented around having children 100+ years ago for practical reasons, and most people started early. There was no double-standard here. I have a great grandfather who left home at 14. Life was different. Being an adult was less about the number.

Second, they're playing fast & loose with the left/right divide on this subject, as they always do -- whenever a feminist says "people" 2/3 of the time you can assume what they mean by that word is conservatives, who they universalize for rhetorical advantage. Conservatives will, in authoritarian fashion, give people they see as important a pass on sexualizing underage girls, while promising violence against the the average person or anyone they don't like doing the same. The same as they are on any other issue. Yet they will unconditionally celebrate the sexualization of underage boys by women. Progressives will unconditionally condemn the sexualization of underage girls, but marginalize concern for or turn a blind eye to women doing the same to underage boys. Yes, they will always condemn it when questioned. But they will also work to hide its prevalence to keep focus on protecting girls and fail to notice when public figures openly do it until confronted with someone asking them why they're not upset about it.

Third, people naturally expect others to behave consistent with their professed views. So a feminist with a passionate perspective on sexualization of underage girls is of course going to get shit for being a hypocrite about it when it comes to boys. This isn't double standards. This is just the fact that hypocrisy attracts criticism.

Fourth, the thing about people still being respected for their accomplishments despite their pedophilia... like doesn't even make sense. If a song is good, it's good. My assessment of a work of art and the moral quality of the artist are completely separate things. If somebody I like as a person makes a terrible work of art, liking them as a person won't cause me to like that art. Why would it work the other way around? Same with other accomplishments. If a pedophile invents a cure for cancer, I'm not going to see that medical discovery as a bad thing. One of my biggest disconnects with the modern left is this compulsion to judge people in such a black & white fashion, and as soon as someone is judged negatively, everything associated with them has to be as well. It's fucking stupid, and borders on fascistic behavior in itself.

vegetables-10000 · 2024-11-05T16:41:02+00:00

News stories be like: Female Teacher have sex with boys.

News stories be like: Male Teacher rape girls.

Oh my god this definitely proves we live in a patriarchal society. (Sarcasm).

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-11-05T19:57:57+00:00

As for the verified double standards in this particular matter, judicial practice says the opposite. If child sexual abuse is committed by a couple of a man and a woman, the man is considered the main offender, and the woman the accomplice. If there is only one offender, then again men get longer sentences.

ChimpPimp20 · 2024-11-05T18:05:15+00:00

It all depends on the audience involved. Elvis has a movie about him where they don’t shy away from how young Priscilla is and call him out on it. I’m planning on watching it actually. Trump is still shunned to this day about what he said about his own daughter and Charlie Chaplin is starting to get flack too. The only one I don’t know was JFK.

Not to mention you have Leo becoming a meme for only dating women in their mid 20s (which I agree is gross). Zac Braff caught flack for dating Florence Pugh. Tobey Maguire recently got hit after he was found on a lunch date with a 19yo. The list goes on. There are also people that fend for this stuff too so don’t get me wrong.

There are also women who have done this that these feminists either aren’t aware of or don’t mention deliberately. Madonna has dated men way younger than her. J Lo I think has only done it a couple times. Demi Moore dated Ashton Kutcher and was even seen kissing a 15yo when she was 19yo on the lips. Cher has also openly admitted to likening them younger.

I think to say things like “this is a double standard” is hyperbolic because double standards tend to exist only with certain groups of people. Some people may cater to men while others may only cater to women. The red pill dudes might defend these dudes while the twitter feminists might defend the women I mentioned above. It all depends. These double standards tend to exist in a vacuum. Saying “nobody cares about women” is hyperbolic because there are entire organizations (WHO, VAWA, Ms.Magazine, etc.) that care about the wellbeing of women. Saying “nobody cares about men” is the same thing because we have people like (Richard Reeves, ShoeonHead, Karen Straughan, Soraya Mire) who also care at least a little bit when it comes to our issues. Granted men still get ratioed by the care for women but we at least have some people who do indeed care.

Here’s what is true universally though: murders. A female chomo is more likely to survive as a chomo than a male one. Look at all the compilations of the different ways male pedos are murdered/tortured then look at the women murdered. I actually couldn’t find any. The retort I got from a feminists over on TrollX was “men do the killing tho” which is an ignorant response because it deliberately excludes the women that also agree with these killings. Women are less likely to take the chance of killing and put their life in danger so the men end up doing it. However, there have been women killing male chomos though. One did it with her husband while another poured boiling sugar water in her husband’s face. I couldn’t find the adjacent of men killing a female teacher or anything like that. There’s a clip from the show Shameless that goes into the whole female pedo concept and how they are socially protected from vigilante street justice. I think they got it right mostly.

AigisxLabrys · 2024-11-05T17:27:39+00:00

The below is something I’ve seen somewhat frequently from feminists. Seems like quite a few of them believe people are far more forgiving of men when sexualizing or acting on underaged girls compared to women with boys:

That’s why EDP, R Kelly and P Diddy having thriving lives and careers and are not either arrested, ostracized or mocked daily /s

Lopsided_DoubleStand · 2024-11-05T20:56:00+00:00

I actually can't believe there are feminists who actually believe men are forgiven more when it comes to things like this. Long reply incoming:

Germaine Greer's career wasn't derailed by this book. She became ostracized because of her other comments about r-a-p-e, and transgenders.

I constantly to this day see people say that it's very natural for men to be attracted to and even PREFER underage girls.

Most people see this as disgusting and pedo. Sure, there are people who say this about underaged girls, but most people see this as disgusting. People have found this disgusting for many decades.

and people have mostly just nodded along.

Uh, no they haven't. People have always found this disgusting. Yes, there are some people who defend this, but most people find it disgusting. But you've fallen for confirmation bias and think it's more common for people to defend this than not. Many people thought it was disgusting when men sexualized underaged girls during the 80s/90s and prior to that, it's just that social media didn't exist for us to see how many people were outraged.

It's just that fanatical fans will defend their favorite celebrities and/or try to compartmentalize the person's achievements and their private life.

People seem to be way more forgiving when men do this.

Men are much more likely to be accused of being pedos compared to women. More male teachers have been called pedos or creeps compared to female teachers doing the same things i.e. hugging children/being affectionate with children. There are so many more stories from male teachers saying they need to be careful, they were accused, they had weird looks toward them because they were male teachers, despite female teachers doing the exact same things as them.

More fathers have had the police called on them or called pedos being with their kids. I've seen more comments online calling men disgusting, creeps, etc, when they compliment an underaged girls looks compared to when women do it do underaged boys.

When female teachers get with underaged male students, the female teachers are often praised and the boys often called "lucky", "wish that was me", "all boys want it", "girls and boys are different", etc.

People, regardless of gender, call out the male predator more than the female predator. Men are more likely to receive higher prison sentencing compared to women for these types of crimes too.

I've literally seen more examples of men/fathers being accused of being creeps/pedos when they have their arm around a girl or hugging a girl compared to when women do it to boys.

There are people out there who don't even think women can even be pedos There have literally been people who didn't think what was happening to them was abuse because a woman was doing it.

There are parks and schools that won't even hire or let men in because they're men.

Moreover, whenever there's a to catch a predator type series or online series (on YouTube or other social media platforms) and they catch male predators, they're far more harsh on the male predators, shout at them, attack and hit them. However, when they catch a female predator, they're far more forgiving. They don't get angry at her or attack her. They're far more calm toward the female predators.

Also, men are more likely to be seen as predators, more people trust women around kids than men, so how would people be more forgiving of men doing this than women? Using celebrities or influential men as examples is stupid. People defend their favorite celebrity over bad things, and these feminists casually ignore many, many people calling these male celebrities horrible, disgusting, etc, when they do it.

Yes, more girls are sexualized in society, but it doesn't mean when women/society does it to boys, all of a sudden people care.

Yes, there are comments online of men saying disgusting comments about underaged girls. Issue is, these types of feminists focus on those comments, completely ignoring most people condemning those comments and calling those men disgusting.

But when someone talks about young boys in this way, people seem to get WAY more uncomfortable and disgusted compared to when it's done to girls. It's bizarre.

Taylor Lautner, Harry Styles, Leo DiCaprio, alex from target, and Justin Bieber were sexualized by women when they were underaged and it wasn't portrayed as inappropriate or disgusting. It was mostly seen positively. Also, look at how female teachers and underaged male students is often portrayed in society, it's seen as positive. The times where it is seen as disgusting is when gay men do it or when feminists cherry-pick their evidence.

In reality, people are more forgiving when women do it (because of strength differences, benevolent sexism, and a fantasy), compared to when men do it. Crime statistics averages, studies, etc, literally show men are shamed more compared to women when it comes to this. Yes, there are famous men who mostly got away with it, but the above things I said are also 100% true.

People are so forgiving of women that South Park, Shameless, The George Lopez Show, and The Boys have parodied it.

captainhornheart · 2024-11-05T21:20:03+00:00

You have it 180 degrees the wrong way. Sex with underage people is definitely, clearly more socially acceptable for female perpetrators. I don't believe your post is in good faith and the number of upvotes makes me suspicious.

eli_ashe · 2024-11-05T18:31:53+00:00

firstly, all these discussions have to have as a limit the institution of modern age of consent laws, which i support.

pedo refers to prepubescent people, thats it. not 'underage'.

conflating these categories has a lot of problems associated with it, maybe chief among them is that it infantilizes post pubescent people, so for instance feeding into 'no sex until marriage' discourses, teenagers ought not be sexual with each other, sex is evil, body dysmorphia among teenagers, etc... it is simple to defend modern age of consent laws without devolving to pretending they are hapless children, or in the same position as prepubescent people.

for instance, they are in a vulnerable position compared to adults, and hence can be preyed upon, so its a good idea to allow them space to develop sexual experiences with each other before releasing them into the wilds post age of consent life. And, life requires a prolonged childhood these days, education, etc... so its a good idea to protect people from losing that opportunity by instituting an age of consent.

in terms of underaged boys v girls being sexualized, as ive viewed it women do this to underaged boys as a matter of course. meaning it is simply not even noticed, or noticed as a bad if it is noticed. whereas dudes doing that to underaged girls is noticed, and considered a bad when it is. there's a whole ass genre, lolita, devoted more or less to the point that such is tabooed, bad, vile, wicked and evil when a dude does it to an underaged girl.

the comparable notion of Mrs Robinson is an outright celebration of women doing this to underaged boys.

as with many other things, the gendered difference is about care. as in, people care, give a shit, regarding the sexualization of underaged girls, as well as the beauty standards that apply to women as they grow older.

exactly zero people in the world give a shit about the sexualization of underaged boys, or that those same beauty standards apply to men throughout their lives.

as for beauty standards, the 'vigor and life' of an underage boy 'in his prime' is a pretty classic trope that is carried into adulthood, e.g. a 'goodlooking dude' is one who is 'fit' much as when they were young. The 'high school football hero' is the body type, tho really any similar sort of 'young fit' body type suffices.

just consider, i mean for some examples of the 'youthful beauty standards for dudes'; the horrors of a receding hairline, the growth of body hair, the greying of the hair, the gaining of the gut, the loss of a trim and fit figure, and the loss of tone in the body. these are all traits that are defining of masculine youth in particular, and carry from the mid-teens well into the twenties, but begin to diminish thereafter.

it is connected to the point that folks dont believe that women can rape, molest, or do any sexual violence whatsoever to men.

if you believe that women can do such things, a lot of this stuff becomes quite obvious tho.

Fantastic-Tale · 2024-11-05T20:06:27+00:00

Why are you censoring word pedo?

EggplantUseful2616 · 2024-11-05T17:37:50+00:00

I actually think she's somewhat right, but the caveat is that the vast majority of people who molest boys are male (stats say 96% of perpetrators against boys are male, so I'm going to say it's probably most of them even if the number is off)

So it's an extra layer of horror to it IMO, i.e. implicit homophobia

It's easier for people to say "well their ages were wrong but directionally it's right" with girls whereas with boys there's a whole "unnatural" / "abomination" layer to it all for those who come from a religious / homophobic culture (which is most people)

This quote does not mention that fact, but I do believe it's a major issue at play

Clousder · 2024-11-07T21:40:24+00:00

THIS THIS THIS !!!!

Clousder · 2024-11-07T21:41:26+00:00

Random contemporary example,Kevin AMF, a 16 year old boy doing a collab with Bbtrickz a 24 yr old girl where they rap about having sex???? Insane, music video and everything and even interviews where they get asked if they’re dating..like it’s normal??

Title	Thoughts on: Double standard between sexualizing underaged girls vs underaged boys?
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Date	November 5, 2024 1:57 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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