MRAs use misleading statistics

shit-zen-giggles · 2024-01-26T16:41:21+00:00

Please provide a source for your claim

knutarnesel · 2024-01-26T14:42:34+00:00

Source? And you have to ask why are men more likely to be involved in crime? And your last sentence seems like trolling at best.

Diffident-Dissident · 2024-01-26T16:01:08+00:00

I have some stats on homicides relating to this for the UK.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1088767912461786

This article reports results of a study identifying and analyzing the 17 homicides (from a total 696 recorded non-terrorist homicides) committed as part of organized crime in England and Wales in 2005-2006

So about 2.5% of homicides are from organised crime.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales

Using sheets 13, 17 and 18 (on latest 2022 data, though other years are similar):

Men are more likely than women to be murdered both by a stranger (306 vs 89) and when they are acquainted (192 vs 109).
Across all recorded motives ("Quarrel, revenge or loss of temper", "In furtherance of theft or gain", "Attributed to acts of terrorism", "While attempting to restrain or arrest individual", "The result of offences of arson", "Other circumstances", "Irrational act" and "Not known"), men are more likely to be a victim than women in all of them.
Across all recorded locations ("House, dwelling (in and around)", "Residential homes", "Licensed premises", "Street, footpath, alleyway", "Open outdoor area", "Other public places", "Other", and "Unknown"), men are more likely to be a victim than women in all of them.

raynaen · 2024-01-26T14:43:23+00:00

That is simply not true. First of all, you have not provided any sources for your claims (we often provide ours, which are well documented). Second of all, it's quite likely unfeasible for these sources to exist in the first place; tracking statistics of behavioral circumstances regarding violent situations is simply not viable, how would you classify situations that are extremely complex and unique into overly simplified classes like "provoked / unprovoked", when law enforcement cannot even know first-hand because they were not there at the time of the attack, plus the attacker often lies about the circumstances? Using your (typically feminist) way of debating, I could simply answer to you that women are being violent most of the time when they get attacked and the attack happens in self-defense, trust me bro.

I'll explain to you quite quickly what's up: we have collected huge amounts of data-driven evidence to show how men are more vulnerable to violence, now you come and tell us that we are all wrong because you believe that most male victims are violent themselves, without any evidence. Victim shaming at its best. I, however, remain unfazed; this is just another day of reading a feminist vomit hateful words from somewhere inside their cranium.

duhhhh · 2024-01-26T14:43:57+00:00

Where's your proof, Proof?

63daddy · 2024-01-26T16:04:08+00:00

It’s funny that the response to men being victimized more is that men are perpetrators more as if being victimized by someone of the same sex means the victim isn’t really victimized.

A victim is a victim regardless of the sex of the perpetrator.

The fact that male criminals victimize other men far more than women is actually a case against women fearing men, since men are far more at risk.

barkmagician · 2024-01-26T15:18:06+00:00

op thinks the average guy is as big as jason momoa and can fight thugs like batman

Wylanderuk · 2024-01-26T16:53:57+00:00

You got a source for this? Besides the voices in your head...

Make-TFT-Fun-Again · 2024-01-26T17:14:43+00:00

"Actual complete random stranger attacks tend to target women more, and those are the ones most people are afraid of."

Factually untrue. Muggers prefer to rob men, because they more often travel alone and people care less about them. There is an unspoken code among criminals not to violently target women when its just business. You don't attack women.

In prison, those who attacked women are on the bottom of the hierarchy and at much higher risk of further violence.

"Men are more likely to be attacked in public in PROVOKED attacks, e.g drug deal gone bad or drunk fights. "

Drunks don't attack women for the same reason. They will have security and bystanders on them in seconds. Meanwhile, as a guy you can "provoke" an attack just by looking at someone wrong.

"So, in reality, females HAVE to SURVIVE LIFE. Males get to just LIVE life."

Right, like the Russian conscripts sent to fight and die in Ukraine, fighting Ukrainian conscripts who are not allowed to leave the country, while women get to flee and survive life as refugee.

Sickening post.

Cowboy71113 · 2024-01-26T14:48:09+00:00

To be clear people living a life of crime are often victims of a broken past. Completely random attacks are extremely uncommon also, so quoting that statistic is also misleading. Fun fact quoting any statistic at all is completely misleading. The commonly advertised gender pay gap is a misleading statistic, because it uses the uncontrolled metric which doesn’t properly measure what’s often being described, it’s a better determination for which gender holds higher paying positions in jobs, where the controlled pay gap measures pay gaps for people doing the same work. The reason statistics are used isn’t to be an exact science it’s to help get a frame of reference on certain issues people are having since a lot of men are often brushed off when they share their feelings, so they can have some semblance of a fact to help them discuss things rationally. So you coming into a men’s rights group and needlessly stating the statistics are misleading? Well no shit they’re misleading, all statistics are. If your goal is to undermine the men’s rights movement then stop pretending feminism champions gender equality, it champions women empowerment and nothing else. You talk about a provoked attack? What the hell would you describe this as you insensitive sociopath?

denvercaniac · 2024-01-26T15:14:13+00:00

You typed words into the internet. Congratulations!

You win jack diddly fuck-all. Return with proof or get out.

DemolitionMatter · 2024-01-26T15:33:30+00:00

Yeah even though many street criminals spare women. This is a rule they have about street crime

asianfoodtofulover · 2024-01-26T15:03:33+00:00

I might take you seriously if feminists didn’t use misleading statistics themselves. Like saying 90% of rapists are men, when female rapists rarely get convicted of rape and most of the time police only count forced penetration as rape, which would obviously exclude women.

RubMobile2126 · 2024-01-26T15:47:24+00:00

Did you just refer to women as females? They don't like that very much.

asianfoodtofulover · 2024-01-26T15:05:09+00:00

Most of the time violent crime isn’t by a stranger, it’s by someone you know, so this is disingenuous. Do you have a source to prove women are attacked randomly more?

mcflash1294 · 2024-01-26T21:26:12+00:00

I didn't realize that when I was getting bullied and followed home from school by bullies it was because I'm a criminal myself, silly me.

Are you fucking serious OP?

squeakh_lw · 2024-01-26T15:17:47+00:00

Oh of course feminist, you would know better wouldn't you of course /s

Feminists don't do things like this do they, they are sooooooo perfect LOL

In my experience its: - Feminists that use misleading tactics - Feminists who stick to a fixed narrative even if it is false - Feminists who have no facts to back up their claims - Feminists who resort to attacking the individuals when they have nothing to come back with - Feminists who resort to personal insults - Feminists who seek to use projection like with this post by the OP - Feminists make the most frequent trolls in gender politics subs - Feminists tend to be the most insecure users on reddit

Throning · 2024-01-26T17:52:11+00:00

Needs source/data, or as seen in the rest of your responses, you'll get encouraged to provide such source/data, or get laughed out of town.

Another user did provide links to stats & data, and shows that men, in fact, do suffer greater risk of victimhood of violent crimes.

Your insistence that "but provoked vs unprovoked!" makes it come off as a cope, when the numbers of it are 306 male victims to 89 female victims, I don't even know how you can justify your stance of provoked vs unprovoked, when men are roughly 3.4 times more likely to be a victim at all.

luciusvorenus_ · 2024-01-26T23:40:40+00:00

"MRAs use misleading statistics " *Posts no statistics*

TrilIias · 2024-01-27T02:21:59+00:00

Yeah, you're just wrong about this. Men are over twice as likely to be assaulted BY STRANGERS than women are. Women are actually the safest demographic, even children are at greater risk of being assaulted.

Here's a source from the US. Department of Justice. It reads:

In 2010, males experienced violent victimizations by strangers at nearly twice the rate of females (figure 2). The rate of violence against males by strangers was 9.5 victimizations per 1,000 males in 2010 compared to 4.7 victimizations per 1,000 females.

Note that the disparity between men and women has been going down, men used to be victimized at three times the rate of women. The change has been a result of violent crime against both men and women decreasing dramatically.

It also says:

"the average annual rate of violent victimization committed by strangers against persons ages 12 to 17 was 15.5 per 1,000"

Compare 15.5 per 1,000 victimized children to 4.7 per 1,000 victimized females.

DecrepitAbacus · 2024-01-27T02:07:41+00:00

Always assume projection on the part of feminists.

Additional-Advisor99 · 2024-01-27T07:37:21+00:00

Garbage troll.

redbluehandle · 2024-01-26T18:14:29+00:00

I think a large percentage of men who are victims of crime, in jail etc are more likely to also be perpetrators of crime.

Cowboy71113 · 2024-01-26T15:22:48+00:00

Let’s upvote the shit out of this idiot and make em famous for this ignorant garbage 😂

Title	MRAs use misleading statistics
Author	Proof-Opening9174
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Date	January 26, 2024 2:28 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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