Question about consent being "sexy":

aussietoads · 2016-01-02T00:17:01+00:00

Don't you think feminists would have a more positive attitude towards a man who is trying to get consent?

Only if he's asking for consent to die.

GenderNeutralLanguag · 2016-01-02T02:42:03+00:00

It isn't meant to make sense. It's meant to be an unsolvable problem that keeps men guessing as to where the limits are. It's meant to blur the lines of consent so that any claim of rape (made by a woman) is a valid claim. It's questionable if even consent forms filled out in triplicate and notarized count as "consent".

The only way to win this game of guess where the boundries are is to not play. Give women exactly what feminists are asking for, the cold shoulder. Go your own way, do what makes you happy.

There are invisible ever moving goal posts for what is "consent", this is by design. You can risk 20 years of prison rape if you miss or simply walk off the field with out even trying.

YabuSama2k · 2016-01-02T03:48:42+00:00

I think that you are not thinking about this is in the way that is going to provide the most clarity. That advice about consent is not meant to be advice at all. It is a propaganda technique and the message is not even intended for men. It's kind of like concern-trolling. Someone puts out a message under the guise of offering advice to a group; thereby implying that they are in need of such advice. The point here is to imply something insidious about men as a rallying-cry to feminists. You will never get anywhere trying to use logic to get to a reasonable motivation for the giver of the message, because the message isn't for you; it is about you. The idea is not just that men are inclined towards rape and teaching others to rape, but are also so dumb and inferior that being told to seek consent as if spoken to a child is the viable solution.

It's just elaborate, multi-layered rage-bait used to create anxiety in the target audience and the obedience that follows.

Ted8367 · 2016-01-02T00:32:32+00:00

What is this game they're playing?

Getting personal power.

Here's a question: what is it about rape that makes it extra special bad? There is no doubt that it carries a stigma beyond most other crimes, maybe beyond all other crimes. Well, whatever it is, the ladies are trying to move it into other circumstances, especially those where they have control. Thus, the never ending expansion of the boundaries of "rape", and the persistent obsession with the nuances of "consent".

bigeyedbunny · 2016-01-02T01:14:17+00:00

Besides having video recording of the whole sexual encounter, consent is impossible to prove nowadays, in the times of rampant false accusations

bigeyedbunny · 2016-01-02T01:37:22+00:00

John Banzhaf, a law professor at George Washington University, researched dozens of cases of rape defendants successfully suing to repair their reputations, with evidence increasingly consisting of video introduced to show that the woman actively cooperated in the sexual encounters. “Changes in technology make video recording more effective and readily available,” Banzhaf explains. “It’s cheap, simple to use, and the cameras shoot well in low light.”

There was also a case in San Francisco where a man was falsely accused of three rapes. Because he secretly recorded the sex acts, all charges were dropped.

baskandpurr · 2016-01-02T02:36:02+00:00

When feminists talk about consent its never about rape, its about power. The idea behind "consent is sexy" is to imply that people often don't get consent. That consent is a nebulous thing and it's easy for a woman to have sex without giving consent. That she can't be expected to simply say no if she doesn't want sex. That would place responsibility on her and not allow her to change her mind later.

This supports false rape accusation which are a mechanism to deny responsibility and gain control. Accusation can also be used for revenge or as social blackmail. The truth is that consent is generally only ambiguous because women don't want to be explicit about it. Many women think that the potential to deny sex at any point gives them control. A women being clear about who she's wants to have sex with reduces her ability to manipulate men with the potential for sex. Have you ever known a man to complain that a woman agreed to sex?

Sargon16 · 2016-01-02T00:39:57+00:00

You seem to forget that many (not all but many) feminists are actually misandrists who have no interest in real equality.

theAnalepticAlzabo · 2016-01-02T03:30:35+00:00

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ChaosOpen · 2016-01-02T06:45:10+00:00

Really, the only possible advice: don't stick your dick in crazy.

Trying to follow the "logic" of feminism to the letter is a lost cause, however from what I have been able to gather, basically, a feminist wants you to approach her, however, if she isn't interested, then you're a sexual predator who is trying to rape her. If she is interested, then you move onto step 2. She wants to have sex with you, but since she is a strong independent woman, it's up to you to make the first move. If you ask for permission then you're a pathetic creep, if you don't then you're raping her. Once you have managed to ask for her consent without ever asking her, then every 30 seconds you'll have to ask her again(but don't ask her, it ruins the mood). However, keep in mind, that just because she is consenting doesn't mean she is consenting. For example, you might be male, and oppressing her into consent by threatening her by being male, in which case you're a rapist. And she can take away consent after the fact, so she might decide that she doesn't consent a few days after, in which case you're a rapist. Also, if she is drunk, then all of the above is out the window, she is incapable of consenting after a few drinks and it is oppressive to hold her accountable for something she did while drunk even though she is, again, a strong independent woman who is both capable and incapable of making her own decisions.

Again, don't stick your dick in crazy.

2016-01-02T16:53:58+00:00

Is this really happening? I don't follow feminist rhetoric THAT closely, so I've never heard someone get offended that men hit on women. Examples?

paradigmarson · 2016-01-02T03:12:16+00:00

Half-way through this post became hilariously insightful, thanks for cheering up my day. You should do stand-up comedy, if it wouldn't ruin your career.

alclarkey · 2016-01-02T05:59:39+00:00

Your mistake is assigning any sort of ethics to feminists. They don't have any. Double standards, moving of goalposts, lying, and cherrypicking are all perfectly reasonable tactics in their war on the male species.

Grimmov · 2016-01-02T19:32:30+00:00

ay_ch, what you need to understand is that feminism is a societal-scale meta-shit-test designed to screen out all of the weaker men who will actually listen to their lies and bullshit. It's similar to an HR department requiring a degree for a job simple enough that a monkey could handle it. They simply have too many applicants and telling all men to fuck off is a good way to make sure that most of the betas stay away. Alternatively, older feminists who get no action can make sure that the younger women they're jealous off will screw up their lives by following feminist advice. It's a win-win all around... except for the bottom 80% of men.

BAN_ALL_GUNS · 2016-01-02T16:34:14+00:00

Well that's quite the straw filled fantasy you've concocted there lol. Hopefully you'll make it back to reality one day

Title	Question about consent being "sexy":
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