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[–]ADJMan 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This took me years to figure out. It took a complete change of my personal beliefs to grasp the benefits from thinking like this. Once I learned to see positions other than my own my own complaining started to fade and I started to see how annoying the people that are negative all the time actually are.
[–]ThePUA_Baddie 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
most dark little shits are naturally negative people
[–]Woop_dee_do 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree 100%. I sometimes catch myself being negative, and all it does is make you and other feel bad. It also massively has a negative effect on your game, chicks don't want to go home with a guy after he spends his entire night complaining about how other people are having a good time. I rarely even downvote posts on reddit or anywhere becuase we all have different opinions
[–]CollegeRakanIRL -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm generally positive but I do use downvotes because they're anon
[–]ImJustSo 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I appreciate your sentiment, but you're basically asking every negative dick to respond to this post, because you've called them out.
I agree with your post, but I'm curious if you've figured something out about negative people and your own outlook. There's some people you can get through to, but typically you have to have a close relationship with those individuals to make a difference. They have to respect your opinion in the first place and try to take away from the conversation what you intend.
Typically, this isn't how positive people/negative people relationships go. Typically, a negative person will find it much easier to shit all over your life, so that they don't have to change. They just try to bring positive people down to their level instead of rising up and changing. They can just affect another person's mood and think, "See, we're not so different now are we? You positive piece of shit. Mua....Ha. Ha. Ha."
There's two kinds of people in this world: People that deserve your time, and people that don't deserve anything.
The positive spin you put on the world should be protected at all times. Your positive mindset is under a constant barrage by people, places, things, and ideas.
If a negative person throws shit at you, dodge it.
If the world throws muddy rain water in your face, you wipe it off.
If you break an ankle, look forward to chatting with that cute nurse.
If starving puppies make you sad, go pet some dogs at the Humane Society, maybe adopt one and give it a good life.
Negative people are weak. They die sooner. They live shitty lives. They ruin other people's lives. No one finds the negativity attractive, not even their negative shitty friends. They're not under a constant barrage that's trying to change their mood. They've given up fighting for a good life and they're assaulting yours instead, because it's easier.
Those people should get one chance to fuck up, then they need to get the hell out of our way.
[–]the_christian_grey[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah you're definitely right for the most part. And for the most part I avoid negative people too. But since I used to be a negative person myself, I understand it is possible for them to change.
[–]ThrowAccount6545 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"All your successes are because the girls are total sluts and are probably banging a thousand guys at the same time!"
99% of the time when a "male" uses the word slut its because they are jealous as fuck
also in case you haven't noticed (somehow... with how good you must be socially to be a good PUA) if someone spends all this time on the internet it means they have nothing better they would rather be doing IRL, so they are gonna be WEIRD AS FUCK. ive been spam posting the past few days because im tweaking out on adderall since i have exams but otherwise the internet is a complete waste of my time when i could be with real people doing real things in real life... so yeah they are gonna be weird as fuck.
[–]ShatteredBong 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's the web. People always are gonna hate. How you know your doing good.
[–]h6d 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yesyesyes op thanks for posting this. positivity is definitely the way to go 100 percent
[–]SyrusDrake 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I know you probably don't particularly care but let me offer some explanation for those behaviors anyway. I mean, yea, some people are just trolls, don't worry about them. But I know that there can be "legitimate" reasons for such negative reactions as well:
1) Overcoming negativity is really fucking hard. I know from experience. Generally, changing one's behavior and attitude is difficult because it changes who you are. But having a negative attitude also makes a sick sort of sense. You're always going to be either pleasantly surprised or right. Setting yourself up to be potentially wrong and disappointed is difficult.
2) What's aggravating and can provoke a negative feedback is the "just"-attitude of a lot of advice, particularly from "experienced" users in this sub. "Just" talk to her, "just" ask her out, "just" be less negative. English isn't my native language and it took me a lot of time and effort to get to my current skill level. I know how hard it can be, especially if you are more familiar with other languages. So when someone needs help, I always try to see it from their perspective, I don't go "Just write this simple text in English".
3) Similar issue that's pissing me off as well: You read advice on some blog and the author is like "It's super easy. I always talk to women and never had a negative experience" and you check out their bio and their picture and they're almost always super attractive. Social interactions are just easier if you're blessed with natural charisma. That alone isn't a problem. Some people are just born with some sort of gift, one way or another, be it skill or appearance or what have you. No need to hold it against them. But being completely oblivious to your gift is annoying, especially if you think some task at hand should be as easy for non-gifted people as it is for you.
[–]the_christian_grey[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All fair points, especially the second one. I supposed that's kind of an inherent difficulty when you're addressing people of all different skill levels all in the same place.
[–]SyrusDrake 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, yea, the problem isn't that there are different skillsets but that people with lower skills are feeling ignored or lied to. As long as you acknowledge there are different people, you probably won't step on anyone's tail. Not that you do that, just in general, I mean.
[–]orukai 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was like this as well... I want to say from my teens up to my early 20s. You're right about the self inflicted misery. I also have something else to add. The people who get annoyed by the negative vibes, perhaps in about two minutes or less they will completely forget about that "annoying asshat" after dealing with said annoying asshat, further negating any reason to condition yourself to be so negative.
[–]EmberTraveler 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed!
Thriving and giving good energy compared to sucking it up and coping
[–]Ricardoheesbeen 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're absolutely right man, if you allow yourself to be negative about things, then your life is going to be negative. Period
[–]MisterBurgerFace 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
I'm not negative, i'm objective. For example, you know a lot, and I admire that. You also preach a lot about psychology, and I admire that too. Your core when dealing with women is solid, and I like that in a guy, because there are too many guys out there who aren't consistent with who they try to be.
Now, on to the bad stuff. You're a bit dumb when it comes to psychology. I know psychology because I studied psychology. Your explanations from psychological standpoints USUALLY check out, and while not 100% accurate, they are enough to teach others. But sometimes they are just plain wrong. The fact that you linger a lot on the Red Pill, which is a place that harbors hate in general, makes you kind of a hypocrite.
Check out this excerpt:
"Before you can start focusing on success with women, you have to get rid of your fear of trying. If you are naturally a beta male, as most men are, you are going to have some anxiety when hitting on girls. You need to accept your fear (which is totally normal), and face it. Do exactly what you are afraid to do. Go talk to women. The more uncomfortable it makes you, the better. The less alcohol involved, the better. I have a great program to gradually ease you into it, which you can find here. You will almost certainly get rejected a lot at first. That’s ok. Your purpose in this step is simply to show your subconscious mind that nothing truly bad happens when you hit on girls. If you live in a modern Western society, nobody is going to come chop your head off because you talked to a girl to whom you were not entitled. The more your subconscious sees that there is no real danger, the less anxiety you will have around attractive women. Step Two: Convince yourself that you are attractive to women"
This section alone proves you lack a lot of knowledge in psychology, which puts you at a huge disadvantage.
Another thing is you are a bit annoying and needy. You like to teach, which is good, but you are click-baity and you make posts like this complaining and whining about something you can totally ignore, especially if you were an 'alpha male' (which is sarcasm on my part, because you'd be surprised how wrong you are using these black and white terms in your amateur psychology).
Anyways, I might get downvoted, but that's my opinion. As long as you help people get laid, you're doing good work. Just stop with these little girl posts because haters will always exist. Stop giving them what they want, attention.
[–]ThrowAccount654 8 years ago [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link
what did he say that was wrong? it seems right to me
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As much as I agree with OP's overall point in this post, MisterBurgerFace is entirely correct about his comment re: psychology.
OP has made claims in other threads that he claims are "supported by research." (Like saying that men and women are different in dating because of biological differences.) I also have a background in that field, and I can say that his claims, while certainly arguable, are NOT supported by research.
[–]MisterBurgerFace -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
It's not. Years of people using blanket terms like 'beta' and 'alpha' to describe a set of traits instead of a singular personality trait has led people to generalize and think in black and white.
He uses the terms to trigger a response from people, in this case advertising his program.
Simple psychology, very poorly done.
[–]ThrowAccount654 8 years ago [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link
well it's true though. point out specifically what's wrong about beta vs alpha. when you say it people know exactly what you mean, arguing with word games doesn't make a difference. it's like "aint". maybe its not an officially recognized thing but when you're just talking to someone they know exactly what you mean when you say it
point out specifically what's wrong about beta vs alpha.
If we want to talk about guys having different levels of confidence, that's one thing. But trying to define it as "beta" and "alpha" is not science, it's oversimplification.
Not to mention, the popular use of those terms came from a book written by wolves, that the author himself ended up changing his views on after he came into more information on the matter.
[–]MisterBurgerFace 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
No, actually I disagree completely with you. The blanket term usage of these unnecessary phrases has led to more confusion than you think.
Go ahead, define alpha and beta for me? Most people can't do it correctly, because these terms don't apply to a single way people behave. They are used incorrectly in seduction.
So, no, nobody knows 'exactly' what you are talking about. People think they know what it means and then get triggered and try to be 'alpha' when in reality they are not being alpha or dominant at all, but are changing certain traits about themselves.
Using the correct words is important. Being lazy and blanketing things will only stir up the waters and make them muddy.
[–]the_christian_grey[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Alpha and beta aren't perfectly delineated binary black and white categories. They're just helpful abstractions. That's what language is in general. Of course it's a spectrum. The two categories denote people toward one side or the other of the spectrum. What's the difference between a tree and a bush? A rottweiler and a pitbull? Everything in between exists, and there are cases that are difficult to put into one of the two categories. Doesn't mean the categories don't exist as helpful abstractions.
I'll define how I use alpha and beta. I think most people use it the same way.
Alpha: a man who is high in social status, has sexual abundance, and acts accordingly
Beta: a man who is middling or low in social status, does not have sexual abundance, and acts accordingly
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Also, you guys (/u/ThrowAccount654 & /u/MisterBurgerFace) need to take it down a notch with the personal attacks on each other.
This is a forum of discussion, not flame-warring.
[–]the_christian_grey[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I'm sure I'm not right about everything all the time. If you disagree with something I write, by all means tell me what you disagree with and why. It helps me learn. But intelligent disagreement/criticism is not what I'm addressing in this post. If you want to see what I am addressing, scroll down to the bottom and look at the downvoted comments.
Yeah there are haters on the Red Pill board. Same as here. But the core of it is good material. This rivalry between TRP and Seddit is really stupid. There's a lot to learn from both.
For the life of me I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape about me being "click-baity". I write an article with a couple of links in it. People that like my writing can click them if they want to read more of it. Why is this so enraging? I want to drive traffic to my website and sell products. That's my business (it works, by the way; I get a lot of traffic and sales from reddit). Why do people hate honest business? If you don't like my content, don't click the links. Nobody's forcing you.
[–]MisterBurgerFace -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Because it's not honest business Christian. It's manipulation. You prey on the people who are down on their luck or simply aren't getting pussy and push all their buttons by using terms they don't understand very well and then take all their money and provide them with services they could have gotten for free.
The rivalry between TRP and Seddit is not stupid at all. It's there for a reason. TRP is built on valid concepts but 90% of it these days is hate and angry bitter men. That's where you lurk. I bet it's a great userbase for you to exploit.
There are less than a handful of downvoted people in your comment section. Can it be that the great Christian Grey got butthurt by a few angry 12 year olds spreading a little hate? They sure got a reaction out of you.
I disagree with a LOT of what you write, especially the fact that you are just another generic PUA choosing money and snake oil over spreading real and solid information. You teach people a lot, sure, but you sure as fuck take your time getting to the point, costing them a lot of pointless dollars on the way.
Not interested in debating here. Feel free to PM me if you aren't beyond learning a few good things in your life. Believe it or not, you don't know everything. Not even close.
[–]the_christian_grey[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Wow. The miserable troll comes out.
I provide a bunch of FREE articles. It is "real and solid information" to the best of my knowledge. It's what I've learned over the years and what works for me. I "take my time getting to the point" because I like to establish a solid theoretical base for any advice I give to other people. I personally learn best when I get a solid explanation of WHY something works rather than just a baseless assertion of "it works" from some guy on the internet. I write for people who have a learning style similar to mine. If you find that sort of writing tedious, don't read it. Nobody's forcing you. And it doesn't "cost a lot of pointless dollars on the way". It's fucking FREE. People who really like my free content and want more can buy my products. Same as every other PUA company in the world.
Disagree with what I have to say if you like. Express your disagreement. It's how we all learn. But you and all the other "angry 12 year olds" aren't doing any good for yourselves or anyone else by spreading your bitterness.
[–]MisterBurgerFace -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm not Bitter, Christian, quite the contrary. I love helping others and actually my first comment to you started with a whole bunch of compliments because you aren't an idiot by any means, just generic and misinformed in some situations.
But I proved my point. Look at you, a man who has worked for years in this industry and gathered a lot of information and tactics, sinking down to the point where you are getting defensive on Reddit and calling me an angry 12 year old because you don't like what i'm saying. That shows me that not only are you still emotionally unstable to a certain degree, but you are also bitter in various aspects of your mentality.
I'm sure you hide all of this when hitting on chicks, and that's fine, but if you don't deal with this repulsive part of yourself, Christian, you will never achieve your true potential.
Thanks for the rant, and i'm not angry at all, just happy that I was right about you. You're not even that impressive as a PUA, so I don't care what you tell me at the end of the day.
A really advanced PUA with a big reputation would be unfazed by bitterness, btw. Just as a side note. You seem to be on your knees seeking attention and validation.
If this part of you came up in a bar, a lot of people would crush you, man.
[–]the_christian_grey[S] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't care what one random guy on the internet thinks of me. But when someone is slandering my business on a highly visible public forum, I'm going to defend my reputation. Clearly you are not capable of having a reasonable discussion. I hope for your sake that changes in the near future. Have a nice day.
[–]MisterBurgerFace -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You care what a few people thought of you, so much as to make a pointless thread.
I'm not slandering. I'm 100% correct in calling you generic and selling stuff that can be found for free. Please feel free to prove me wrong or show me any unique additions to the industry you have provided.
I was reasonable, even when you started throwing insults my way because you were throwing a hissy fit. Not the sign of a socially dominant man, i'm afraid.
Anyways, thanks for talking to me. Have a nice day and I hope you stop being so angry in life.
[–]Austonmatthews345 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're a moron. Everyone take this man's advice with a grain of salt!! He sounds like the town's crier!!!
[+]Austonmatthews345 -11 points-10 points-9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You maaad? You maaad? You maaad? I got dirt on you doggy!!!
Fuck outta here.
I'm improving and the only way to get better is to be hard on oneself with heavy criticism while rewarding good behaviour. I call it being cautiously optimistic.
[–]raikmond4 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I call it being profoundly stupid and stubborn.
[–]Davisco10101 8 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
No links today to your dumbass website? Dude fûck you and your shitty advice
[–]the_christian_grey[S] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There's some men you just can't reach.
[–]digitalbitch2 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think that dude is sane.
[–]Davisco10101 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Dumbo. Take down that shît you call a website and get sense
[–]oddboob 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I thought you were joking. Look for the good dude, you can find good in any situation, you can always learn something from others. I haven't read any of this guy's stuff but if it doesn't resonate with you don't read it simple
[–]ThrowAccount654 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
taking out your sexual frustration on internet forums huh? lmfao. this guy probably tried some shit he read from the OP on his oneitis that he beta orbits and got blown the fuck out, now hes raging here with his dick in his hand and anime sex doll in the other...
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OK
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