Female Teachers Give Male Pupils Lower Marks, Claims Study

theskepticalidealist · 2012-11-22T23:08:18+00:00

"Women are nearly five times more likely to show an automatic preference for their own gender than men are to show such favoritism for their own gender - http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec04/women.aspx ---- link to study>> Gender differences in automatic in-group bias: why do women like women more than men like men? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274

ErasmusMRA · 2012-11-22T18:28:14+00:00

Having a male teacher increased the efforts of female students whereas a female teacher lowered the efforts of boys.

This one sentence sums up the boys education crisis. Something like 25% of schools no longer have a single full time male teacher.

grrw · 2012-11-22T20:06:44+00:00

Yeah, this doesn't surprise me at all. When I went to school we had mean teachers of both sexes. While the mean male teachers were mean to everyone, the mean female teachers really seemed to hate boys. Especially me! It might be a feminist thing, or it might be that women get more annoyed by children with poor communication skills. And boys are on average worse at communication than girls. Especially me!

Sebatron · 2012-11-23T01:35:27+00:00

Near beginning of article:

men treat all students the same, regardless of gender.

Later on in the article:

male teachers tend to reward male students more than female students."

ಠ_ಠ What is with the contradictory statements?

blueoak9 · 2012-11-22T22:47:10+00:00

I just mentioned this study to my girlfriend. Her response: "That actually makes a lot of sense. I think a lot of female teachers see boys as bullies, and grade them accordingly. The male teachers on the other hand, just see boys behaving like boys. Nothing more".

roharareddit · 2012-11-23T00:17:01+00:00

But, more encouragingly, the study found no significant evidence of ethnic discrimination.

OH JOY!!!

Seriously, WTF?

Aaod · 2012-11-22T19:03:08+00:00

I could have told them this without a study.

grrw · 2012-11-22T21:13:46+00:00

Don't wanna be a Debbie Downer but the study claims at the end "that both genders of teachers increase the gender gap. With male teachers it increases because girls try harder. Which is good. While with female teachers boys try less hard. Which is bad. So already there male teachers are better in the current climate, even though they don't effect the gender gap.

But the study also says that female students have a more incorrect perception of the teachers biases. So that might have an effect.

Apellosine · 2012-11-22T21:03:56+00:00

An interesting, non feminist biased story from the Huffington Post, are we in some kind of weird bizzaro world?

ThePigman · 2012-11-23T01:42:27+00:00

EDIT: Wrong study, so i deleted my own comment.

2012-11-23T05:16:59+00:00

Doesn't this seem to imply that both male and female students have increased effort with a male teacher?

Having a male teacher increased the efforts of female students whereas a female teacher lowered the efforts of boys.

If female efforts are increased with males while males remain unaffected, and male efforts are decreased with females while females remain unaffected, that would imply that the increased efforts of females and the undiminished efforts of males with a male teacher are both above the lowest point which exists with a female teacher.

Then does this

Additionally, the results showed the students' beliefs tended to increase the gender gap in investment and effort.

mean that with an arbitrary examiner (without expected gender) that there was less of a gender gap?

So motivation is affected by the relationship of the gender of examiner and student.

Pheorach · 2012-11-23T08:59:16+00:00

GOD, I had this one female teacher for art (Drawing I) who was the most stuck up bitch I had ever met in my life.

I was in the middle of the class talent range, there was this one guy who was doing INCREDIBLE work in the first few weeks of class.

While I was struggling to draw the outline of a simple plant (it was a life drawing class, so you couldn't look at the drawing or your hand, just at the thing you were drawing)...he was incorporating shadows and intense lighting effects. The teacher sneered at his work, saying that we weren't supposed to be focusing on anything else than the outline. It was OBVIOUS he was way ahead of everyone else, but she picked her pet student rather quickly (a female, of course)

The sad part was, the guy dropped the course after a couple of weeks because he couldn't take her bullshit anymore. * My boyfriend was also being discriminated against. He has more talent than I do at drawing, but she was praising my obviously inferior work, and pointing out miniscule details in his art to critique it. He didn't make an A on any of his portfolio assignments.

While I was getting A's for shit like this: http://imgur.com/g2G7n

The biggest thing that pissed me off is that there were two other girls in the class that had absolutely no artistic ability whatsoever (this isn't the kind of class where you interpret what you see, you have to copy it exactly) and were making some seriously sad drawings that somehow managed to get B's...

2012-11-23T15:02:27+00:00

This is purely anecdotal, but when my stepson was 10 he was in a class of about 20 boys and girls in a gifted school and loved it. When a new female teacher was hired the boys immediately started dropping out, saying she was unfair to them, it was boring, she favored the girls, they mostly read and talked, etc. I checked in a couple of years ago when my niece was interested in this school and it was still 100% girls. When my stepson graduated high school 2 years ago the top 18 of out 20 student were girls.

As an aside, when he lost interest in academics he started focusing on wrestling and cross country and track and got pretty good. But when he looked at colleges few in our area had men's teams in these sport due to Title 9 cutbacks on men's teams.

tyciol · 2012-11-23T19:11:18+00:00

It seems that this would only exhibit correlations and that we could not possibly establish a 'cause' relationship.

The reason being that there is no neutral third gender to use as a control.

Possible explanations:

Male students do equally well with either sex of teacher, but...

1A: female teachers mark them lower due to interpreting them infavorably.

1B: male teachers mark them higher due to interpreting them favorably.

Male students do better with a male teacher than with a female teacher.
Female students do better with a female teacher than with a male teacher.
Female students do equally well with either sex of teacher but...

4A: Female teachers mark female students higher

4B: Male teachers mark female students lower.

These explanations aren't mutually exclusive either. All four might potentially coexist.

2012-11-22T23:11:54+00:00

Am I the only one who thinks this methodology is really weak? What it measures is students' perception of harshness in grading, not actual grade discrepancy. Why not measure the actual grades?

enkidusfriend · 2012-11-23T15:22:44+00:00

It would be interesting to look at a similar study done in post-secondary education.

half-human · 2012-11-23T00:27:16+00:00

You're misrepresenting the facts here. Students are not trying as hard, and getting worse grades, not the other way around. Objectively a teacher doesn't grade on bias, but on fact. The students are biasing their own efforts when it comes to female teachers. This goes for both boys and girls as well.

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