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Swedish schools force boys to endure "SCUM manifesto" production. Girls given candy and told to make fun of boys.

AnthonyZarat

June 19, 2012
49 upvotes
/r/MensRights

English translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fturteatern.se%2Fscum-manifestet-skolforestallning%2F

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http://turteatern.se/scum-manifestet-skolforestallning/

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Title Swedish schools force boys to endure "SCUM manifesto" production. Girls given candy and told to make fun of boys.
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AnthonyZarat

Upvotes 49
Comments 48
Date June 19, 2012 4:58 PM UTC
(14 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/va7gd/swedish_schools_force_boys_to_endure_scum/
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Comments

[–]rightsbot 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Provocitive and LOVING show. I really wish this was fake.

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[–]Auldreekie 9 points10 points11 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you watched this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn3cHsHnUPM

It was banned from broadcast in Sweden because it made the feminists look bad.

[–]maha420 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow.... feminists who kidnap women to further their movement. They have come full circle. Thanks for the link.

[–]kragmoor 9 points10 points11 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what happened to the days of the vikings :(

[–]ed_sparrow 15 points16 points17 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As I see it, the SCUM Manfifesto itself isn't a huge deal - crazy, homocidal bigots write crazy bigoted tracts all the time. The real issue is the way that other feminists react to it.

If Mark Lepine, or any other killer that feminists have tried to link to the MRM, published an anti-woman screed, we wouldn't be praising it. We wouldn't be calling it "satire" or "thought-provoking" or any other such nonsense. We sure as hell wouldn't suggest we subject school children to a performance of it. We'd condemn it and move on.

Also, "satire", really? Perhaps they should've tried explaining the joke to Warhol, I don't think he quite got it.

[–]BinaryShadow 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Saudi Arabia of feminism...

[–]theozoph 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If there are any Swedish MRA's out there, I think it is time they demonstrate peacefully in front of the theater showing this filth. Print a few choice passage of Solanas' "oeuvre", a short bio of the psycho bitch and hand them out as leaflets.

If possible, get a copy of the play and put in evidence the misandrist parts that young impressionable children are going to be exposed to. Again, leaflets.

Finally, try to attack it as promoting hate speech, if the legislation exists. Nothing better than turning the PC police machine back on itself.

Peace.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh gawd, this. You shouldn't be able to get away with such intense hate speech like this just by saying that you're "challenging the norm." You need to have a benevolent purpose, and SCUM Manifesto just doesn't have that.

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[–]ArchangelleVader -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Common knowledge is not thought provoking.

[–]ZimbaZumba 18 points19 points20 points 14 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Feminist are trying to re-interpret The Scum Manifesto as something of literary worth, it an embarrassemt to them. It is little more than hate mongering.

[–]nplant 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Uh, did no one read the article?

"We believe that it is easy to miss many young people in the over-doctored and intellectual, and therefore sought a text that draws its claim to such an extreme level that the audience is forced to question what is said"

[–]Hamakua 18 points19 points20 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So next week they will be reviewing mien kampf?

That justification is complete bullshit hidden under a cardboard layer of "it's satire and ironical... for the children".

Considering it is directed at people who haven't fully developed mentally, it is a dangerous and villainous exercise in ideological influence.

[–]MissStrawberry 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So next week they will be reviewing mien kampf?

That actually isn't that bad an idea. Not to children, mind you, but Helmut Qualtinger did a really good interpretative reading of Mein Kampf. If you can find a version of Der Herr Karl with good English subtitles, I'd recommend watching that, also. It's heavily mired in local custom and character, which is exactly the point, but it is a critical reflection of Austrian post-war society.

Which you might also find extremely boring.

[–]nplant -5 points-4 points-3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You realize this is the same argument people use to oppose sex education?

Maybe high schoolers wouldn't act so dumb if we expected more of them.

[–]Hamakua 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It might be the similar framing of an argument but there is a vast difference between sex ed and hate speech. It is intellectually stunted to transpose apparent parallels and attempt to use them as justification for what should be viewed, by any layman, as breaching a basic threshold of educating.

Sex is a fundamental part of life that is all around us. And some of the opponents to various tiers and various levels of explicitness have valid concerns. I am also aware of the political power struggle between liberalism, conservatism, religious and progressive parties using "sex ed" as a political wedge issue. That debate is definitely more subtle as well as complex than you are implying it to be.

This debate isn't even in the same league. Like someone else wrote, as a late grade high-school or college class, sure, why not. But what I wrote is still valid, it's not what message the children are being exposed to, it's at what age they are being exposed to it. Sex ed has it's validity because of the dynamic of children becoming sexually aware and active vs. the ciricullum they are absorbing.

Political ideologies and "satirical" (please) violence against a specific demographic? -The intended audience don't even have the full mental capacities to absorb all the implications to start with.

But you knew all the issues and differences I elaborated on above, you were just hoping I wouldn't be able to frame them adequately while you hide behind one-liners defending 2 dimensional thinking.

[–]nplant -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But you knew all the issues and differences I elaborated on above, you were just hoping I wouldn't be able to frame them adequately while you hide behind one-liners defending 2 dimensional thinking.

Now that's an interesting conclusion to jump to.

But what I wrote is still valid, it's not what message the children are being exposed to, it's at what age they are being exposed to it.

And I happen to think high schoolers are old enough - although I'll even concede the first year may not be appropriate.

Sex ed has it's validity because of the dynamic of children becoming sexually aware and active

And at what age do you think political parties, neonazis, or just anyone with an agenda to push will start targeting them? High schoolers will be interested in a much higher level of participation in society than ten year olds, who will simply get confused and go back to their toys.

They'll get to vote and go to war when they're 18. They really should read things like Mein Kampf before making those decisions, and maybe seeing the SCUM manifesto as a play will make them realize not all feminists are good people.

The intended audience don't even have the full mental capacities to absorb all the implications to start with.

And that's why we have teachers. Teenagers need to be guided, not shielded from everything bad. If they haven't been exposed to the world in a safe environment before they become adults, they'll be so only in name.

[–]ZimbaZumba 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

My bet is they took the text and then sought a justification for it, and not sought a text "that draws its claim to such an extreme level that the audience is forced to question what is said..."

Perhaps there is worth in showing a non-satirical play to children comprised of enslaved characters in black face who are referred to as niggers; and eat fried chicken and water melons all the time. The hero could be a white hooded Grand Wizard who purges the World of these 'sub humans'.

[–]Auldreekie 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, things that are actually intellectual usually bother feminists. In fact anti-intellectualism has always been a tenant of "gender studies".

"Rationality, reason and logic are the tools of our oppressors." "To fight the patriarchy we must foster our own thought processes, based around our bodily functions. Namely our cyclical wombs and the call of gaia."

Most of their academic books manage to disprove the scientific process and you can't really contest it because well....it's a thought process that requires a vagina to understand.

[–]Funcuz 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry , but this bugs the crap out of me :
It's "TENET" not 'tenant' . A tenant lives in an apartment .

[–]toblotron 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then where does a tenet live??? ;)

[–]Graenn 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I think it'd be great if teachers brought their students to see this. It would be a breakthrough in education. Students would be outraged and discussions would be sprouting everywhere. It'd be engaging. Awesome.

[–]ConfirmedCynic 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And if it were some presentation about women and how their liberation has damaged society and caused all sorts of problems and how they should be set back or even culled? Would you approve for sake of the discussions it would provoke?

[–]Graenn 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

[–]primaloath 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

By "discussions", you must mean "the teacher's efforts to silence critics".

[–]Graenn 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, not at all. I don't know what kind of teachers you've had, but in my school our teacher's role is to engage discussion, not direct them in any way. Discussion is important and should always be an essential part of education.

[–]Mustang__sally -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But would the discussions be good or bad? remember that if a woman takes to the idea she has the potential to spark a whole new fanatisicm and that could be very veyr bad if they follow this.

[–]Graenn 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Discussion is always good, and engaging subjects like these are rare in our school system.

[–]NBRA 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sweden: The Third Reich of Feminism.

[–]Deadeyeguy 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And this is supposed to replace the "evil" patriarchy?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Uhm. It's not presented as what gender roles should be like. It's part of history. We also read Strindberg in Sweden, which is not exactly all that egalitarian either...

[–]Auldreekie 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you read SCUM? I know people like to pretend it is just some nihilistic piece of art but it never was. It's ok to study it, because the insanity is worth noting. At least place it into context, a classroom would be best. You should also mention that after she released this manifesto she shot Andy Warhol, some other guy and tried to execute another. I mean if you want to understand what her motives were that is.

[–]ed_sparrow 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, it was satirical attempted murder, okay?

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[+][deleted] -22 points-21 points-20 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

its a fucking theater performance that no one is forced to endure.

[–]SilverPaladin 17 points18 points19 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If the teachers are taking their students there during class, I doubt it's something that the kids could just get up and walk out on without some sort of punishment.

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, how many times were activities that took place during class considered "optional"

[–]Gingor -4 points-3 points-2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They were optional in my class. Students who didnt want to go to (most) of these performances could stay back and do advanced (in the sense of ahead of our lessons) math that gets graded.

No one ever stayed back.

[–]namewastakenlol 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So either do somethig you don't want or do something difficult you don't want and get graded on it. Yeah those are great choices. Protip: that's not optional.

[–]SilverPaladin -2 points-1 points0 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Granted, in the US at least, most schools generally get permission forms in order to even show things such as movies about birth, or any movie with some sort of nudity in it. I'm not sure how it is in Swedish schools, but in the US it's more than likely that a parent would have to sign off on letting a kid watch something like this just as a CYA for the school. In which case, if the kid/parent new about it ahead of time and the kid didn't want to watch the production, they could just not have the permission slip signed.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Swede here. It's like this; most of the planned activities outside school grounds, so called fieldtrips are a part of the education plan and there for a must do.

They're optional if they're not funded by the school. But if that's the case, they're mostly for fun, like camping. You just have to tell your teacher it's a no can do.

I think the play in the article would be considered educational and therefore payed for by the school and obligatory.

[–]Scott2508 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

shhhh Norse by offering up facts and relevant data you are going to upset those who want to try and downplay the fact hate speech like this is being shown to kids.

[–]CoolLordL21 -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We recommend that teachers come and see the show before you take your students here.

[–]primaloath -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't find any mention in the article about candy and berating boys. If you have experienced this yourself, I urge you to film it next time you come across it, or encourage others to do so.

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