Keep reading, it ends well.

vegibowl · 2012-04-21T21:27:20+00:00

You all opened my eyes in spite of overwhelming negativity. Thank you. I will continue to learn about masculism and advocate for you whether you want me to or not.

DruchiiConversion · 2012-04-22T00:17:36+00:00

I'm pretty sure I never got involved in the negative "fuck-off"-y comments you got (nor have I seen them), but I'd like to take a moment to explain why I think those are prevalent here. Indeed, why I'm almost half in favour of them - though I'd like them to be done with a little more tact.

Look at the issues for a moment from a politician's perspective. He (because he probably is a he) doesn't have time to look at every issue in detail and come to a position on it. Hell, even if there were enough time, that wouldn't be the best strategy - you want a position that's favoured by lots of people, not the one that's objectively the best, right?

So what's the best way to do this? Easy - divide people up into groups, and follow the biggest groups. If Environmentalists are a bigger (and richer!) group than Oil Companies And Their Subordinates, you'll take a pro-environment position. They're not. Alas. Democracy fail.

Now, we come onto the meat of the argument when we look at MRM issues. There are many nuanced positions you can take here, really, there are! We all know this. But Mr. Politician doesn't. How could he? It takes lots of delving into the issues to know the difference between an MRA and an Egalitarianist and a Rad Fem and so on, especially when they all claim "We are in favour of gender equality!".

So what does Mr. Politician do? He looks for the biggest group, like always. And Feminists is the biggest group here, and easily the richest too.

That's a death sentence to MRM issues.

That's why a lot of us hate feminists - not because they're bad people! Almost all of them are not!

But because they allow themselves to be lumped into a huge group, empowering the radfems. When there's a group of people who literally want to genocide you (I wish I were exaggerating) it's very, very easy to hate the people who empower them.

So it's nothing personal. But there's a lot of hate out there.

sibqm_lmvm · 2012-04-22T03:23:17+00:00

On the Internet, and specifically Reddit, such maturity is hard to come by. The fact that you chose to see both sides of the story (rather than assume that everyone else is wrong and misguided) is just so amazing to me! While I consider myself to be pretty objective and egalitarian, i'm sure that I still have room to improve. I hope I can be more like you someday! ^{_^}

frehop · 2012-04-22T04:37:46+00:00

That was a very fair article. Thanks for that. If more feminists like you came around here, I'm pretty sure fewer people would have such an aversion to feminists. The majority of the feminists who usually come around here are users of a subreddit called ShitRedditSays. They come here to troll, harrass, make false-flag self posts, bash, post violent comments, etc.

vegibowl · 2012-04-22T01:26:44+00:00

Woman is nigger of the world

My jaw dropped reading that ignorant fucking sign.

Gareth321 · 2012-04-22T04:05:51+00:00

Hi vegibowl

I'd like to apologize for the members who reacted that way. There is a reason for some of the hostilities. We've had a troll creating fake self posts recently in an effort to rile up members. For this reason, many members (including myself) have been quick on the draw to use the "troll" word. Please do stick around. You'll find the vast majority of us are simply seeking equality the best way we know how.

That said, we do favour a light-handed approach to moderation. Members are allowed to criticize others. Some members are more combative than others. That's their right. But it's your right to slap them down if they're out of line or incorrect. Please don't let our beliefs in feminism deter you from our cause. Most of us have had extremely negative experiences with feminists pretending to advocate for equality. We prefer the term "egalitarian".

Gareth

2012-04-22T04:57:31+00:00

A true egalitarian. I regret she was treated poorly here. I would hope it was during a time of intense trolling but IDK. I'm glad she took the time to visit and hope she will return from time to time.

vegibowl · 2012-04-21T21:57:02+00:00

Not sure if I'm doing this right, but here is a link (I think) the the final "Fuck off." http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rnjiy/evil_feminists_vs_a_mans_role_in_society/c48gh4e?context=3

TheSacredParsnip · 2012-04-21T22:18:28+00:00

It seems like the ultimate goal should be for feminists and MRAs to meet somewhere in the middle and come to some agreements on things. I'm not sure why so many members here are opposed to feminists posting and commenting other than the SRS trolls that seem to encourage hate.

Welcome to the subreddit. Hopefully you'll be met with less negativity in the future. I think some people just feel so burned by the system that it's hard for them to relax and have a civil conversation with someone they view as an enemy. Help prove that feminists aren't the enemy, that crazy feminists (like crazy MRAs) are the ones to be fought against.

Wordshark · 2012-04-22T07:37:22+00:00

vegibowl--I remember your self-post, and I remember wincing at the vigorous beating you took (even though I understood perfectly well why it was happening). It's a credit to your quality of character that you can write an article like that after a conversation like what happened. Good on you, mate.

FidelNaidoo · 2012-04-22T15:15:41+00:00

Vegibowl, thank you for your arcticle.

Lecks · 2012-04-22T17:23:59+00:00

I was quoted in an article on the internet! It's strangely satisfying.

SilencingNarrative · 2012-04-23T01:07:43+00:00

Read your blog post and thought it was a good list of men's issues you covered. Thanks for writing it. I look forward to seeing you around the MR subreddit.

Title	Keep reading, it ends well.
Author	vegibowl
Upvotes	46
Comments	32
Date	April 21, 2012 9:26 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/slrgl/keep_reading_it_ends_well/
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