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Lawsuit challenges Biden aid priority to women (all of them), and certain minorities

step_aside_butch_

May 15, 2021
80 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/suit-challenges-restaurant-aid-priority-women-minorities-77650760
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Title Lawsuit challenges Biden aid priority to women (all of them), and certain minorities
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step_aside_butch_

Upvotes 80
Comments 28
Date May 15, 2021 1:13 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ncnokq/lawsuit_challenges_biden_aid_priority_to_women/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/lawsuit-challenges-biden-aid-priority-to-women-all.1061333
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[+]step_aside_butch_36 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

The group sued on behalf of plaintiff Antonio Vitolo, owner of Jake’s Bar and Grill in Harriman, Tennessee. Vitolo applied immediately for aid on May 3, but doesn't qualify to receive aid yet because he is a white male, according to the lawsuit. The group argues the gender and race distinctions are unconstitutional and is seeking an immediate halt to payouts under the program until the government starts processing them on a first-come, first-served basis.

“Given the limited pot of funds, this puts white male applicants at significant risk that, by the time their applications are processed, the money will be gone,” the lawsuit states.

and

The program relies on a definition of "socially disadvantaged" that is limited to people “subjected to racial or ethnic prejudice or cultural bias because of their identity as a member of a group without regard to their individual qualities.” Groups presumed to be socially disadvantaged include: Women, Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, including Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians; Asian Pacific Americans; and Subcontinent Asian Americans.

All women, even wealthy white women, are "oppressed"?

[–]GalileosTele 36 points37 points38 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Especially wealthy white women are oppressed...

[–]Gingerchaun 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean. They only have cake to eat.

[–]Quix_Nix 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And ice cream

[–]Mahameghabahanacentrist male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Believe me those subcontinent asian american aren't oppressed. The ability to move to a foreign country and living there proves it.

[–]MelissaMiranti 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have literally any proof for this? Plenty of poor people move to different countries to get away from circumstances.

[–]Vandechoz 26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

subjected to racial or ethnic prejudice or cultural bias because of their identity as a member of a group without regard to their individual qualities

...this definition itself being used to decide who will be subjected to racial or ethnic prejudice or cultural bias because of their identity as a member of a group without regard to their individual qualities

the irony hits too hard to fathom

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If women owned restaurants have been disproportionately hurt, the fair way to do it is make the aid based on need.

Whoever needs it more, regardless of gender or race, gets it first.

If it's true that women have somehow been hurt more than men (doubtful to begin with), then they will get preferential treatment that way. And the minority of men in this scenario who also need the money will also get it.

Elizabeth Warren had a racial reparations idea based on that kind of logic when she was running for president that everyone thought was genius. In part because it was constitutional...

[–]MelissaMiranti 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly the way we should be fixing things. You give aid to the person who is bleeding now, not to the person whose demographic you think have bled more in the past.

[–]Rockbottom503 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure that I understand how exactly a restaurant owned by a woman is disproportionately affected by coronavirus when compared to a restaurant owned by a man in the same locale.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are more likely to die from it, so of course at that point they don't need any more help...

/s

[–]Rockbottom503 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I get what you're saying and I'm not trying to be facetious in dismissing the higher death toll men have suffered during the pandemic, but if a male restaurant owner has survived it and a female owner has survived it, how has the females business been any more disproportionately affected just by virtue of her being female?? I just genuinely can't see the reasoning.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was being facetious.

Obviously the policy is due to feminist and woke ideology.

[–]locnlol 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because Biden thinks women can't handle money, obviously.

[–]Juhnthedevil 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Read more, it's specific to Restaurant owner, so in a way because of the investments those people have putted in they are all in a catastrophic failure. But what? They assert that White Men people restaurants owners will do better than other? And what are veteran doing here?

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Stuff like this exists outside of this bill also. And usually veterans are included. It's probably how that get conservatives to vote for it. Because then that can run adds saying they hate military vets.

My guess is it will open up the door to question the legality of similar practices that are systematic throughout the US government's treatment of small businesses in general.

[–]Juhnthedevil 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yeah I understand now. I'm from France and we don't have all this culture around military :p

[–]Juhnthedevil 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh? But what about wealthy people of those groups?

[–]Quix_Nix 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some good news for once

[–][deleted] 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[M] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Removed as rule 2 and rule 7 violation.

[–]heimdahl81 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Rule 2. Egalitarian values

Racial supremacy of any kind is by definition anti-egalitarian.

Rule 7. Avoid personal attacks on other users.

I didn't attack the user. I attacked the article the user posted.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[M] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Racial supremacy of any kind is by definition anti-egalitarian.

Indeed. And the post was not arguing racial supremacy. It was actually arguing that people should be treated equally regardless of race or gender.

I didn't attack the user. I attacked the article the user posted.

Fair enough. Your rule 7 strike has been erased. Your rule 2 strike stands.

[–]heimdahl81 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not trying to be obstinate and argue with you, but I just want to fully explain myself (which I admit I should have done in the original comment). I should have pointed out the research recently published by Robert Pape. He investigated the motivation behind more than 380 people arrested for the assault on the Capitol building. They are predominantly middle-class to upper-middle-class white men who are worried that, as social changes occur around them, they will see a decline in their status in the future. They feel they are losing out to women and minorities. This attitude is an extension of the Great Replacement conspiracy theory promoted by white supremacists and nationalists. It is dangerous and insidious because it is posed on it's face as a simple argument for equal treatment, but behind the scenes is an effort to preserve dominance and suppress minority groups. The reality is that equal treatment is only equal if all parties were equal from the start. Demanding equal treatment when you are already far ahead is simply demanding continued dominance.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What does this have to do with the article posted?

[–]heimdahl81 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The idea that white men are losing out to women and minorities when in reality past inequalities are being rectified to create a level playing field is white supremacist propaganda whether OP knows it or not.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How do past inequalities help individuals currently suffering from the pandemic? Looking at race or gender as a qualifying characteristic for government relief is inherently anti-egalitarian, anti-constitutional, and in fact racist and sexist. And you're defending that...

[–]heimdahl81 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is relief available to everyone. This is just extra on top of that because the past inequalities still have effects that persist today. That's why black men on average earn less money, have less education, and are more likely to be incarcerated. Complaining about this money is light right wingers complaining about how poor kids get free school lunches while kids from affluent families have to pay for lunch.

Equality does not exist in our society now. I hope we can agree on that. If we give everyone the same help all the time, that inequality will never disappear. To create equality, some groups will need to get more help than others to reach the same level. There is no other way to create equality. To the privileged, equality looks like oppression.

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