To what extent are men taken advantage of financially?

azazelcrowley · 2020-03-19T14:51:21+00:00

The men are lazy argument ignores studies on maternal gatekeeping and as usual for feminist activism places the blame on their nonsense conspiracy theory by not investigating the actual causes of the problem.

A man tries to watch the kids for a day, and doesn't do a job as well as a hypothetical perfect parent. The woman freaks out, tells him he's useless and doing it wrong, and takes over. Rinse repeat dozens of times and eventually the man just stops bothering. If you confront the woman on her being not perfect, she'll either lash out about how hard it is and how she's allowed to make mistakes (While having no self-awareness), or just pull the old "Well what would you know, i'm a woman and you're a man, so you're not qualified to judge" shtick.

This also applies to other household chores. Men are then blamed for this because of a refusal to accept responsibility by women. Suppose men behaved that way in a workplace environment and kept firing women when they were just starting out for not doing things *even better* than men who had worked there years, then blamed women for being lazy and unmotivated. Now suppose the men had less time with the kids because they kept firing women and telling them to go home, so they blamed women for this and said It was those lazy good for nothing women being evil again and that's why I can't see my kids as much, they're doing it on purpose.

THAT would be actual misogyny.

Instead, as usual, feminism reframes womens own sexism against men to somehow be mens fault, takes the negative consequences for womens own actions and behavior and blaming a mythical patriarchy for it on the basis that "Well we've done this stupid rationalization on everything else, so it must be true.".

Or;

Everything is because of a CIA conspiracy, and our proof for that is how everything else is a CIA conspiracy so why wouldn't this thing be, and if you deny it, you're a lunatic because look how pervasive the CIA is in controlling society. Rinse repeat on every issue in a bout of circular and self-serving paranoia.

You could also investigate the studies on women having higher rates of neurotic psychological behaviors if you wanted to tie this all together for why exactly women behave this way, but i'm more inclined to thing that that neuroses and this stupid shit is the result of them desperately working overtime to lack self-awareness on the issue because it's fundamental to their identity at this point. (Basically, feminism makes women psychologically unwell. This is supported by rising rates of unhappiness among women over many decades.).

(Lazy copypasta - It sounds like being uniquely oppressed by men is central to her identity to the point she's in denial of reality and views you as an aggressor for pointing out it's nonsense.

Think about how pathetic this would be for instance; a guy saying women can't read and bursting into tears as more and more evidence that, yes, women can read, was presented to him. So then he makes out you're the bad guy and there's still no reason to let women into libraries. Not because it makes sense, but because his brain has been broken and he straight up can't handle the magnitude of what you're telling him given how long he's built his sense of self on being a "reader" and that makes him a man.

That's what's happening here, basically. Feminists broke womens psychology and made something ridiculous central to their identity in terms of what makes them different from men. Pointing out it is nonsense undermines their conception of femininity and womanhood.

Rather than accept her sense of self is based on silly shit, she made you out to be the bad guy.

By taking away her victimhood status you're taking away her womanhood. But that's nobodies fault except hers. she doesn't have to build her sense of self off feminist propaganda. )

Similarly, the notion that men are lazy good for nothings and women are better in the house is part of womens identity. While they believe they can do other things too these days, women still haven't confronted their misandry adequately and so "I am good at everything, men are only good at some things" pervades. A man threatening to change that undermines her identity and causes her to lash out.

The "Men are lazy" thing is women projecting their own flaws onto men rather than take responsibility for them, because taking that responsibility would mean confronting another toxic aspect of their psychology and identity and they have built an entire industry (feminism) around supplying them rationalizations and excuses to avoid self-awareness and lash out at men who try to prompt it.

Suppose men had one day before feminism had turned to women and said; "Wait a minute, you're a piece of shit sexist! Look at all the ways this is bad for me, my god, we live in a matriarchy." and then reconstructed women to not be so sexist. We'd be in the same situation. Men would be adamant that there was nothing wrong with them that couldn't be ultimately traced back to women, and the result would be men wouldn't have changed for 200 years, while women would have.

We have men fit for the 21st century, and women barely fit for the 19th. That is the legacy of feminism. This leads to growing anger and hatred for men as the problems fail to resolve themselves because women aren't doing their part in self-reflection and improvement, but blaming men for those problems.

Here's those studies:

https://www.fatherhood.org/fatherhood/maternal-gatekeeping-why-it-matters-for-children

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180611133434.htm

warpedsight · 2020-03-19T17:02:29+00:00

Only financially? read these two links and make your own conclusions: https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/the-3-ps-of-manhood-a-review/https://secularpatriarchy.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/why-chivalry-is-an-unconditional-male-duty/

TC1827 · 2020-03-19T14:43:13+00:00

Men are taken financially advantage of through and through. Men are financially abused, it is just normalized. Men are socially expected to spend more on women, on dates, on wedding rings, on constant buying gifts. Men are reduced to mere ATMs.

And hypergamy. Women marry up. Work less hours. Just live on male labour. Men are denied time away from their kids. It's usually men who support women. And men are criticized if they refuse to marry down.

We need government intervention to ensure that hypergamy comes to end and men and women spend equally on each other. Men and women should face an equal likelihood of marrying up /down

cromulent_weasel · 2020-03-19T20:32:05+00:00

If the man is the primary earner then sure he's being 'taken advantage of' financially. But I don't think that's the right way to look at things.

BOTH parents are making sacrifices for the good of what we call in our family 'the house'. We are both acting as stewards doing the things that need to be done. Sometimes that means going out to work all day. Sometimes it means doing an extra load of laundry because a kid puked all over them in the night.

The idea that women take advantage of men to work less is something of an elephant in the room that a lot of people don't like to acknowledge.

The flipside of that is that the primary caregiver (who is overwhelmingly a woman) nukes their own career by being a stay at home parent.

Melthengylf · 2020-03-20T00:26:25+00:00

I don't thinkl they are mutually exclusive. I believe both are true.

The second is not the only truth: when men work less in relation to women, they take less extra hours of chores.

Title	To what extent are men taken advantage of financially?
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Date	March 19, 2020 2:05 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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