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Men are no longer allowed to describe the physical appearance of women in books

Itrusttheinternett

October 10, 2021
76 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10077177/Sebastian-Faulks-says-hes-stopped-describing-female-characters-books-fear-offending.html
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Title Men are no longer allowed to describe the physical appearance of women in books
Author

Itrusttheinternett

Upvotes 76
Comments 30
Date October 10, 2021 10:43 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/q55pog/men_are_no_longer_allowed_to_describe_the/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/men-are-no-longer-allowed-to-describe-the-physical.1076468
https://theredarchive.com/post/1076468
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Comments

[–]mensmod[M] [score hidden] 4 years ago stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

Subject does not match the claim in the article. Removed for falsifying the subject.

[–]sernamedeleted 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What's next? Sundials and Slide Rules?

What other archaic obsolete technology are we not allowed to use?

Do I need to promise not to use Stonehenge to objectify women either?

I won't fax porn either.

[–]Powerful_Software_14 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can't draw woman in comic? Want can be worse than that in literature?

[–]sernamedeleted 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Society is fucked! We'll never know any information about the female form! Yottabytes of porn will never be able to replace what we've lost!

[–]Powerful_Software_14 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Time to quit 3D for 2D waifu

[–]sernamedeleted 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a good thing that furry femboys are the future of art.

[–]Rubberrobbb 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't acknowledge their existence?

[–]D0wnVoteMe_PLZ 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can see a backlash if it finally happens. "Why are men described in the detail in books but women are not described at all?!"

PaTRiaRcHy!!!

[–]Silver-Discipline550 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the cycle continues...

[–]Sr_Nunes 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It'simple.. Don't buy them.

No books, no movies, no art ... I'll die dumb, but let them die, too.

[–]WilhelmRosenthal 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop including women in books. No more representation, creativity dying, but « nO mORe MaLE GazE »

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First PC ruins movies, now books are to be ruined too.

[–]Nerfixion 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a click bait thread.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Sebastian Faulk is CHOOSING not to describe women because he got called out for discussing the 'plump swell' of a 15 year olds breasts. And that was cringy.

[–]bilgediver 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds Cringy but what's the context of the book in question?

Imagine the book was the story of American Beauty. Cringy, but that's the point of the story, that the adult neighbor ISNT supposed to fantasize about his teenaged neighbor.

Imagine the book was about a boy going through puberty and the changes in how he perceives females?

Oh wait that's right, nobody cares and young male sexuality, it's just demonized all to hell.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was simply describing her in her dress. Not sure it was integral to the plot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen/comments/fxp6s3/shes_underage_please_stop_birdsong_by_sebastian/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[–]nnn-throwaway88 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s pretty cringe ngl

[–]enjoycarrots 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on the context. As other comments pointed out, such an eyebrow-raising description might serve a narrative purpose. It may be that we're meant to find it slightly uncomfortable for various reasons. I can't say whether or not that's the case here.

[–]Angryasfk -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

An overreaction surely!

[–]Keopsfuj -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Male writers go pervy when they describe female characters usually. So it is good that male writers stop doing it altogether. On the other hand, physical appearance of male characters should be described. It should be very detailed and can be pervy even.

[–]wrstlr3232 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What’s fucking joke. This isn’t true at all. Here’s the title of the article:

Author Sebastian Faulks says fear of offending readers means he no longer describes what female characters look like in his books - but Booker Prize winner Bernardine Evaristo slams the idea as 'ridiculous'

One fucking author decided not to do it. Stop posting stupid shit. This doesn’t help the cause at all because people will read this and laugh. It’s 1) not even true, so you’ve just lost credibility and 2) it’s so petty that it doesn’t even matter. Stop posting stupid shit.

This subs should just ban posts from daily mail. It’s horrible “news”. Every post on here I read from the daily mail either isn’t true or taken out of context so much that it’s basically a lie

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Well, Sebastian Faulks has listened to critics that have told him not to write descriptions of women.

It would be natural to assume the same people are applying this rule to men generally, so all men are not allowed to write about the physical appearance of women according to this group.

I can't help if you interpreted the title as meaning "It has been written into law that men can't write physical descriptions of women" that seemed like a purposeful misinterpretation to me.

I don't think it is petty as it is limiting my ability to express myself freely, and although I'm sure that these critics are a minority, they are big enough to have a well known writer change his behaviour.

[–]wrstlr3232 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

so all men are not allowed to write about the physical appearance of women according to this group.

That’s completely wrong. Did you actually read that article? This one author, who got backlash decided not to write about women’s appearance. Every author gets backlash. There are millions (?) of male authors. One male author does not equate to “men are no longer allowed to describe the physical appearance of women in books.”

In fact, in the article, there are other authors that said what he was doing was “ridiculous “. The other person in the photo is the author that called it ridiculous. There were other authors as well. In fact, a woman author criticized what he was doing.

It’s limiting your ability? How so? Can you not write about women? Will they pull your books if you have descriptions of females?

This is one author, playing the victim.

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes I did read the article and that is the conclusion that I came to.

"On the much-discussed 'male gaze', Faulks said 'Instead of getting all huffy and puffy and grumpy old man about it, I thought about it a lot.'"

It seems to me that the author of the book was told by whomever that they shouldn't write descriptions of female characters. I would be very surprised if this author was the only person this group of people have written to and criticised and told not to describe female characters.

Obviously, not everyone thinks this and it is not written anywhere in law that men can't write physical descriptions, but seen as how this author thought it appropriate to conform to the rule it makes sense that he thought his decision would be met with popularity, and therefore that enough people must think the same way for it have commercial appeal (buy his book).

[–]wrstlr3232 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

confirm to the rules

What rules?

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The rule that he shouldn't write physical descriptions of female characters as advocated by his critics.

[–]wrstlr3232 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How is that a rule. Nearly every author is writing physical descriptions about female characters. He’s the outlier. Seems like the rule is that authors should write about any character they like. When everyone is doing it except one person, that one person is not conforming to the rule

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean you can be pedantic about phrasing. His critics would most likely desire it to be a rule that everyone stuck to, and obviously that would be dumb. And this author is dumb for doing it, in my opinion.

[–]wrstlr3232 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, he is dumb for doing it. But that doesn’t mean, as you claimed in your title, “Men are no longer allowed to describe the physical appearance of women in books”. It means one author folded and decided to not describe the physical appearance of women. That’s one author, one! Many other authors said he shouldn’t do it. This isn’t something to waste your time and energy on. It’s a non issue

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends how you interpret it. "Men are no longer allowed to describe the physical appearance of women in books (according to a fringe group of critics)". I think it's important to be aware of potential threats/arguments that might get thrown in your way, so that you are prepared. It was an attention grabbing title for the post, i didn't think it was misleading. I wouldn't have posted it if I thought I was lying in the title. It just omitted whom was saying men are no longer allowed to describe the physical appearance of women, which i thought that was okay.

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