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Guardian headline -- "Longtime Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin describes sexual assault by US senator." Not "alleged sexual assault," and check out the description in my comment below.

ThePigmanAgain

October 26, 2021
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Title Guardian headline -- "Longtime Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin describes sexual assault by US senator." Not "alleged sexual assault," and check out the description in my comment below.
Author

ThePigmanAgain

Upvotes 156
Comments 85
Date October 26, 2021 9:54 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/qgh8tk/guardian_headline_longtime_hillary_clinton_aide/
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Comments

[–]AirSailer 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Now that I know unwelcome kissing is sexual assault I realize I've been sexually assaulted countless times.

[–]qemist 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better turn grandma in today.

[–]auMatech 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

At the risk of inviting down votes, would this mean that Joe biden has sexually assaulted many strangers including minors? Or does this only apply to select people via cancel culture?

[–]punkertroll 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When metoo was at it's peak ,i read a story about a model who accused a producer for sexual assault, she explained they kissed on a cruise and he took her into a room and she felt uncomfortable when he locked the door and kissed and he wanted to have sex but she was scared and panicked ,told him to wait she needs to use toilet and left him. That was her story for how she survived getting assaulted. I was like where is the assualt , the guy publicly apologized but lost his reputation.

[+]Either-Pianist1748 -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't know this story but if he publicly apologized (for no reason), then he deserved punishment for being spineless. I mean, grow a p..., man.

[–]someone_butnoone 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, its better to lose his job and flush his life down the toilet? Everyone have their own way of going about things

[–]gprime 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there where I'm supposed to pretend to believe her, instead of point out that she's a sleezy political operative with a books whose sales she wants to drive up?

[–]034TH 61 points62 points63 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sorry but when did misreading a situation and kissing someone become sexual assault?

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 60 points61 points62 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When feminists realized they could use such misreadings to ruin a man's life. And keep in mind, this applies ONLY to situations in which it's the man who fucks up. If it had been the other way around, nobody would be calling it sexual assault.

[–]BeNice_777 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was so traumatizing she completely forgot about it until years later when it became politically expedient. Pound me too strikes again.

[–]CloseThePodBayDoors 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Took a long time to monetize that, but patience pays

[+]throwaway5423222321 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Let me guess she has a book coming out soon...

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She has indeed!

[–]Ren_Yi 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not sexual assault! That's her leading him on and then rejecting him when he kisses her! What did she think would happen when you go back to his place alone after an event and agree to go in when he offers you a drink!

To call that sexual assault is insane and undermines real crimes and real victims.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

Here's what the Guardian calls a sexual assault...

"Then, after describing a Washington dinner attended by “a few senators and their aides” but not Clinton, Abedin writes: “I ended up walking out with one of the senators, and soon we stopped in front of his building and he invited me in for coffee. Once inside, he told me to make myself comfortable on the couch.”

She says the senator took off his blazer, rolled up his sleeves and made coffee while they continued to talk.

“Then, in an instant, it all changed. He plopped down to my right, put his left arm around my shoulder, and kissed me, pushing his tongue into my mouth, pressing me back on the sofa.

“I was so utterly shocked, I pushed him away. All I wanted was for the last 10 seconds to be erased.”

Abedin writes that the senator seemed surprised but apologized and said he had “misread” her “all this time”. As she considered how to leave “without this ending badly”, she writes, the senator asked if she wanted to stay.

“Then I said something only the twentysomething version of me would have come up with – ‘I am so sorry’ – and walked out, trying to appear as nonchalant as possible.”

Abedin writes that she kept away from the senator “for a few days” but then ran into him on Capitol Hill, nodding when he asked if they were still friends."

That's it, boys, that's what sexual assault is these days.

[+]VindictivePrune -47 points-46 points-45 points 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that kinda is, need to ask for consent first

[–]rabel111 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So when Katy Perry stole a kiss from Benjamin Glaze (American Idol), that was sexual assault on stage in front of millions of witnesses?

So how long did Katy Perry go to jail for?

[–]VindictivePrune 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No time at all, women are coddled by the law and society

[–]neveragoodtime 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

What the heck do you think “come up for coffee” is? No one can be so dense as to follow a date back to their place and follow him up to his office and then be surprised that he comes on to her. And if she is, then that’s on her for misreading the situation. Clarify and leave, no harm no foul.

Otherwise, what you’re really advocating for is the Pence rule, no man and no woman should ever be alone together.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. If, as in this case, a co-worker asks you up for coffee in the middle of the night, you KNOW they just mispronounced "sex."

[–]neveragoodtime 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Euphemisms exist, not to manipulate or trick people, but to show curtesy and respect to others. I don’t ask if I can drop some turds in your toilet, I ask to use your restroom. You know what might happen, I know what will happen, but we’re polite about it and don’t make it crass. Same about asking someone up to have sex in my office. The polite thing do do is call it “coffee”. He even made some actual coffee, which is more than most people would do. She knew what she was doing, but then gets to claim she didn’t for victim points.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I don’t ask if I can drop some turds in your toilet, I ask to use your restroom."

OH, MY GOD!!!! Is that what people have been doing in my restroom all these years?!?!?!? The filthy bastards!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Coffee is coffee. Men use euphemisms because “come to my office so I can attempt a clumsy come on” would get a no. Is it ok if a guy asks a woman for coffee wanting to have a romantic interaction? Of course. The deal is, don’t act like there has been a meeting of the minds and a contract established when the terms aren’t clear.

[–]Either-Pianist1748 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Who drinks coffee after dinner, by the way ?

that might just be the most unreal thing about it all, forget the "sexual assault"

[–]sideburniusmaximus 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever actually been out to dinner or a wedding? They literally always serve coffee after dinner.

[–]Bopikins2600 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This person has clearly never been to a restaurant for dinner that doesn’t have a drive through otherwise they’d be aware post dinner coffee is pretty standard.

[–]Either-Pianist1748 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

... in America.

And i've been to the US. Don't remember anyone drinking coffee after dinner or being offered one at this moment of the day. I do remember how watered down and weak the coffee was, generally speaking, as opposed to the way it's consumed where I live, short and strong. Coffee culture might have changed since then, though, that was all before Starbucks existed.

[–]Either-Pianist1748 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Certainly not in my country, no. And not in the many countries i've been to, either. It's a more American thing than you seem to think. I don't remember having noticed that when I visited, but perhaps i just missed it.

[–]VindictivePrune -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Coming up for coffee is what I think it is.

[–]Bopikins2600 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only an evil feminist would think that coming up for coffee is coming up for coffee. Everyone knows that’s secret code for let’s hook up and if you aren’t aware of the secret code then you deserve to be in a position in which you feel uncomfortable and unsafe: duh everyone who knows anything about men’s rights knows that. It’s mans right to kiss whoever the hell they want wether it’s welcome or not as long as you apologize after. Silly women thinking you have a right to have coffee with a coworker and not be kissed. How naive. For those too dumb to pick up on it, this is sarcasm.

[–]lovezelda 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe she was being naive. I would believe she didn’t think he was going to make a move. Maybe he was 70 years old for all we know. I do not believe this was assault of any kind.

[+]throwaway5423222316 points 4 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

You are part of the problematic

[+]VindictivePrune -17 points-16 points-15 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If youre going to kiss someone. Ask them first, especially if it's not an established norm in your relationship

[–]BoabHonker -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why the fuck is this being downvoted? Are we against consent now?

[–]Bopikins2600 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Apparently consent is not something MRA supports. Shocking.

[–]BoabHonker 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd consider myself someone in favour of men's rights, but I absolutely also believe in consent. It's disappointing to see this here.

[–]Bopikins2600 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound like one of the good ones my friend! Thank you!

[+][deleted] 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]VindictivePrune -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One where personal space and boundaries are respected

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

He presumed consent based on misinterpreted signs. But then, you already knew that.

PS

Let's see you say that about cases where women have kissed men who seemed to be up for it but weren't. Hell, your kind won't even call Amy Schumer a rapist!

[+]VindictivePrune -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He presumed consent there's your issue

Women need to ask for consent too

And what do you mean by my kind?

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You left out the misinterpreted signs. But say it, say that a woman who kisses a man without first asking is committing sexual assault rather than making an honest mistake.

[–]VindictivePrune 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes women should ask men for permission before kissing or touching them sensually. No matter how you read something, you should always affirm consent too, as all people are quite fallable at reading others

[–]DubsPackage 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is way too prudish IMO

When did kissing become a sex act?

Sex-negativity is a scourge.

If you kiss someone and they don't like it, just say "sorry" and move on, what's with making it a federal case?

It's like people have become dense and autistic.

[–]VindictivePrune -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably since saliva can still spread numerous diseases and stds

[–]Bopikins2600 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If you refer to people with differing opinions as “your kind” you either are 100% a member of a hate group, an ignorant redneck living in a trailer drinking bud light and blaming the world for your lack of success or all of the above.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL! Nice try, but it's not his differing opinion that makes him one of his kind, it's his eagerness to lynch men. Say, do YOU think Amy Schumer is a rapist, or are you one of that kind? LOL!

[–]Bopikins2600 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

They didn’t say anything about lynching anyone or Amy shumer and even if they did, it’s still weird and backwards as hell to refer to anyone as “your kind” unless you’re an uneducated hillbilly then I suppose your comment makes sense. Are you also still upset about losing the civil war and slavery being abolished? Those damn northerners. I can’t stand “their kind”. Almost as bad as those damn feminists. They wanna lynch us all! Yea you’re 100% a paranoid nut job. Nobody wants to lynch you bro. Nobody even cares what you have to say. That’s why you have to come on Reddit to be taken even remotely seriously.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL! Nice bit of classism you've got there. Also, i'm not even an American, Zippy.

[–]Bopikins2600 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank god for that

[–]Ssg4Liberty 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile, her husband was raping underage girls...

[–]UltraNebbish 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But it was mostly non-violent.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"It was rape, but it was mostly peaceful rape." -- CNN

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A kinder, gentler form of rape

[–]HilmDave 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

PG-13 rape

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it wasn't 'rape-rape' - Whoopie Goldberg

[–]JaxJags904 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I don’t think there’s any proof of this, at least not yet.

[–]Ssg4Liberty 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Besides his conviction and resignation...

[–]JaxJags904 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you talking about Monica Lewinsky? Because she was 22 at the time, which is definitely not underage.

[–]Ssg4Liberty 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Anthony Wiener. Her husband.

[–]JaxJags904 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my fault, I thought you meant Hillary Clinton’s husband when you said “her husband.”

[–]pfizerface 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the same as every word they appropriate these days.

You can rape someone by just looking at them. Sexual assault if you brush past someone. Incel if you have a different opinion Mysoginist for supporting men's rights.

They are a scourge.

[–]SnappyDachshund 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did she just suddenly remember the details of their next encounter as well where he asked if they were still friends? Was that repressed too? Doesn't really pass the straight-face test. Kinda like vividly remembering taking sniper fire.

[–]No-Cost-6992 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why most men are afraid to make the first move

[–]LeeF1179 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Get crucial. This is not sexual assault. This is an insult to real sexual assault victims. What she is describing plays out in life (and few thousand movies) all the time: Boy makes his move. Girl rejects him. Boy apologizes.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

you left out premise "Girl sends all the wrong signals"

[–]UnconventionalXY 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What exactly did she think would be happening when invited into a man's room and offered an inhibition reducer: talk about unicorns farting glitter?

Don't women understand what testosterone does in a male body, or the reality that men and not women are required to make the first move?

[–]oldtiredfaggot 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm just surprised it wasn't ol' Bill

[–]rahsoft 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

maybe it was, and abedin changed the titled position of the person to hide it from hiliary..

[–]Either-Pianist1748 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just finished reading the Guardian article about "the sexual assault"

sounds to me like "i need a job in the administration or i leak your name, pal"

[–]1Transient 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This may have happened. In fact there should be some porn series titled "Senators gone Wild." But she is Trying to deflect attention from who she is.

[–]No-Negotiation-5010 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Going to be someone advantageous for the democrats to attack. My bet is on Manchin. Gotta play dirty politics.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think we can probably rule out it being Lindsey Graham

[–]Zealousfounder 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Barrack Obama was a senator in the timeframe. He is a "person of interest"

[–]HilmDave 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Love how she conveniently blocked it out until it was time to write a book. Not to mention that not naming the individual does nothing but garner attention to her book. So she's traumatized enough to need to put the word out and get the recognition as a "survivor" but not enough to want to see this alleged predator punished so he can't "assault" further women?

[–]SnappyDachshund 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, she named Kavanaugh but not the senator and she worked for the Clintons.

[–]SaltyExchange 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hillary Clinton aide, Hillary Clinton was a senator. I can put two and two together

[–]DestructionDestroyer 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I hate it when someone (typically on reddit, but could be anywhere) tells a story that includes the phrase "I was raped", "I was sexually assaulted", or any similar phrase without giving any details as to what happened that they have decided to use that label to describe.

For starters, some people use "rape" and "sexual assault" interchangeably. Some women could have had the exact same experience that Ms. Abedin described but call it "rape". Others could have the exact same experience and call it "an awkward moment" or even "the time I unintentionally lead on a Senator".

So when someone says "I was sexually assaulted", I have precisely zero idea of what actually happened to them.

And for good measure and equality, I'm equally skeptical when someone says "I was falsely accused of rape" with no further details. I need some additional information to help me understand why you're assessing it as a false accusation. Like what was the accusation and who was told? And more importantly, what caused the false accusation? Was it mistaken identity? Did you never have sex with the girl and she's just a lying bitch? Did you have sex with her and there is disagreement as to consent? Details matter.

[–]overtrick1978 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hillary was a senator… just saying.

[–]rahsoft 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

either the book or the article( or both ) is badly written and looks like a hit piece on Kavanaugh, trump etc and an attempt to paint her in a positive light. Im sure clinton can back her up ..right?

.. she could always go to the police right? or would it turn into the witch hunt that happened over kavanaugh followed by a libel suit..

she worked for someone who had a bad reputation as a boss( let alone as a feminist), married a guy who turned out to be a perv( although I do wonder what kind of arranged marriage they had). She would had been better writing about her boss ( clinton) if she wanted to sell books because clinton is a bestseller when it comes to books..right ?

[–]lovezelda 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I hate sexual assault and creepy behavior, but this really seems borderline. Seems like the guy legitimately thought he was going to get some. Now I don’t know if he was 50 or 80 or whatever. He kissed her, she said no and left. He was surprised and apologized. I tried to kiss a girl once at a party in college, I went for it and at the last minute she gave me her cheek. She said sorry no and walked away. So if I had connected with her lips then I assaulted her?

[–]UnconventionalXY 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems we are heading towards the undisputably affirmative consent model for every physical contact between men and women, before it happens and the completely transparent indication of motivation in advance approach to prevent misunderstanding.

Welcome to the new world of the authorisation checklist and the death of any spontaneity. Women are going to be even more disinterested in matching male sexual drives.

[–]JRsFancy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only certainty here is if it were a Republican Senator, he would have been named.

[+]Drippinice -21 points-20 points-19 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How is that not assault? He was apologetic so it’s not a big deal and you wouldn’t press charges but it definitely fits the definition

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's assault, then most men and women belong in jail.

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