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Surgeon jailed for “hate speech” against women.

TheEthnicityOfASpoon

January 4, 2022
60 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10368223/Surgeon-JAILED-Belgium-sexist-speech-saying-women-dont-want-open-legs-more.html
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Title Surgeon jailed for “hate speech” against women.
Author

TheEthnicityOfASpoon

Upvotes 60
Comments 58
Date January 4, 2022 6:10 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rw0pgw/surgeon_jailed_for_hate_speech_against_women/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/surgeon-jailed-for-hate-speech-against-women.1094623
https://theredarchive.com/post/1094623
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Comments

[–]WeEatBabies 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, what he said is actually terrible, but jail?!!? WTF, ... The only way I'd be ok with it is this law and it's applications were gender neutral, but it's not!

[–]Jesus_marley 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Speech protections don't exist for the things we like to hear.

[–]UnconventionalXY 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The truth is often terrible and difficult to hear, doesn't mean it should be suppressed: just ask prior altar boys.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's guilty of Wrongthink.

[–]niko_xf 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, we hear all kind of things about killing, castrating, etc. all men by many feminists, "scholars" and women in general. But as we know when such things are targeted at men it is all fun and games.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women cannot hate men because of Patriarchy Theory.

[–]JimHill75 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What he said is offensive. BUT, he’s put in prison for it. I realize this was not in the US. Seems like a bridge too far, to even consider it a crime.

[–]g1455ofwater 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He should gather evidence of women saying hateful things about men and not being jailed to show that he is being discriminated against based on his gender.

[–]spike4379 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then he'd be done for stalking and gaslighting. +5 years

[–]spike4379 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you personified femaledatingstrategy and then swapped it to a dude, this is exactly what you would have.

This dude is the inverse of the entirety of femaledatingstrategy, and he gets thrown in prison.

[–]_wrong_ad_ 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Free speech is dead

Words are not violence. And he wasn’t inciting violence either

[–]Drazer_Pride 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe he screwed up verbally. But the comment section is right. If he is jailed for spitting similar things, then bad behaved females should also be jailed for hurting innocent guys.

The surgeon said that women exist to satisfy men. Well satisfaction can be created in millions of different forms. I enjoy satisfying my boyfriend. The way of satisfaction depends and varies. For instance, is the woman satisfying with her kindness? Is she satisfying by baking sweets? Is she satisfying by telling stories? Is she satisfying by supporting her partner? Is she satisfying when she wears some eccentric outfit? Is she satisfying by singing?

[–]UnconventionalXY 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How many women were jailed for inciting murder with #killallmen?

This man was jailed and fined for saying some things that women find offensive, he wasn't suggesting women be killed or even sexually assaulted.

This seems like a case of double standards and discrimination when most countries have anti-discrimination legislation. How can the people trust the government with anti-discrimination when such obvious cases of discrimination against men are occurring?

[–]LettuceBeGrateful 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how many people the UK has jailed for saying #KillAllMen.

[–]abstractbull 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't tell if the punctuation in the title is sarcastic air quotes or journalistic direct quotes.

[–]Kindly-Town 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Belgium has 50:50 gender proportion so any speech that is controversial against women is illegal. Their hate speech doesn't cover men of course.

[–]elorajustice 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, it is hate speech, but he shouldn't be jailed.

[–]DookieMcGurk77 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That’s about the most sexist thing I’ve ever heard

[–]g1455ofwater 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen feminists say worse. Heck the front page of Reddit is probably worse on a daily basis.

[–]Langland88 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one is arguing that, we disagree with the punishment.

[–]imextremelymoderate 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because a person could be jailed for saying it.

[–]imextremelymoderate 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is seriously DISTURBING. Modern feminism is fucking terrifying

[–]Huffers1010 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He's an unpleasant idiot and we do ourselves no favours by supporting him, although imprisoning someone for being unpleasant is a ludicrous overreaction that does nobody any good.

The issue here is the enormous double standards at play, and the fact that things as bad and worse, up to and including direct incitement to violence, are widely tolerated when said by women about men. I'm not quite sure where websites like Reddit, and governments, and society in general, expect this to end. Even if you personally happen to approve of men being murdered for any reason any woman thinks is reasonable, it should be obvious that making that view public is not likely to endear a lot of men to your cause. It's politically stupid, even from their perspective - and the same goes for this guy. Everyone loses here.

[–]ignatztempotypo -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Except that on the whole, he's right.

[–]mygpjmii 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you mean?

[–]ignatztempotypo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean that of you want to use crude terms and be mean about it, he's correct. The same goes the opposite direction as well. One could be crude and mean and say "men only exist to build everything so that women can give birth to the next generation. Men are wholly subservient to this end game and thus need to just shut up and get to work!"

It's easy to go to extremes and in some percentage, those extremes are correct. It's a nicer place to live in if we can all be a lot nicer than that though. Men and women do best when they work together to create happy, productive, societies🤗🙏😁

Does that help?

[–]No_Seaworthiness9625 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Going to tiktok, Twitter and Instagram then it will look like so many women there deserve to be mass incarcerated lol

[–]RevolutionaryCash645 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone who has full speech? I don't want to read words from any journalist ...

[–]ReasonableSignature7 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So you want women punished for saying things like this about men but it's free speech when a man does it?

It's abhorrent. Racial hate speech like this would get a jail sentence. Why the outrage because it's gender hate speech? Your quotation marks aren't needed, this is clearly hate speech

[–]TheEthnicityOfASpoon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your comment has been deemed “hate speech” by the Central Committee for the Preservation of Political Harmony [CCPPH]. You have been sentenced to 7 years in a “re-training camp”. There is no appeal.

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -27 points-26 points-25 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

No one should be defending this guy. He's human garbage and what he said was not only false, it was also morally reprehensible.

Probably for the best if we condemn hateful men like this instead of defend them.

[–]Jesus_marley 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Speech protections exist so people are free to say things you don't like. Just as you are free to say things I don't like.

Part of being an adult is accepting that you are not in control of other people's opinions no matter what they are and you do not get to silence them.

[–]motosandguns 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Nobody should be imprisoned for saying words. Truth, lies or hate, I don’t care. The state shouldn’t get to imprison you for wrong think.

If the university or hospital wants to fire him that’s one thing. Jailing him is another.

But I’m American. We have freedom of speech (most of the time)

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -24 points-23 points-22 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

How much did Hitler do beyond saying words?

Inciting violence and hate speech are very real crimes.

[–]Kindly-Town 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How much did Hitler do beyond saying words?

Did you just defend what Hitler did? So you are anti-semitist as well.

[–]shaunm1022 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

killallmen I swear if you say isn't inciting to kill your a misandrist

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Inciting violence is a crime. Crying fire in a theatre is a crime. All other speech, no matter how offensive is free. But again...American.

[–]No_Seaworthiness9625 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists routinely incite violence.

[–]motosandguns 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Besides the night of long knives and blitzkrieg ?

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -23 points-22 points-21 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Hard to get an army of people to follow you without hate speech.

Hate speed is a noxious weed that should be removed. Not defended.

[–]motosandguns 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, a government jailing its citizens for speaking their truth is something which should be guarded against.

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women need to open their legs more and serve men is not 'someone's truth'. Its vile hate.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I find it offensive but that is the point of free speech laws. It was when the Nazi's stopped any opposition that the abuses occurred. Freedom of speech is essential in a free society.

[–]motosandguns 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Protecting free speech is more important than hurt feelings.

“The answer to hate speech is more speech, not less”

Shout him down, you shouldn’t get to jail him.

[–]Jesus_marley 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not hate. Ill grant that it's dumb, but so is the idea that he's not allowed to say it because you think it's bad.

[–]No_Seaworthiness9625 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Femtards routinely make hateful comments, so fuck off.

[–]No_Seaworthiness9625 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then all the femtards should be in jail, they routinely incite violence and make hate speech.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not illegal to be an asshole...well, turns out it is. But it shouldn't be.

[–]bob4256 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody here seems to be defending him or his ideas. They are saying jail is an unusual punishment for what he did. Women have said similar things in similar environments and received an applause. Should he be fired and not allowed to speak directly to college students sure but why does he go to jail for months? Can you see where this precedence going? Whats next?

[–]LettuceBeGrateful 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one should be defending this guy.

As of my writing this, I only see one comment agree with the content of the surgeon's statement, and he's downvoted. I have no idea why you are such a habitual liar about the content in this sub. You just seem to get off on lecturing people who barely exist.

[–]No_Seaworthiness9625 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When the scumbag of Elizabeth sheehy is put behind bars, i'll agree, for down fuck off.

[–]goodmod 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nobody is defending what this guy said. They are defending the right to express opinions that others consider offensive.

Learn the difference.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Some considered it hate speech when it was against white men. I guess it's free speech now that it's against women?

Hate speech vs free speech

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's free speech all around. Kill All Men!...see, no one goes to jail.

[–]goodmod 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What this guy said is in fact hate speech in my opinion. It wouldn't be allowed on this subreddit under Rule 10 in the sidebar.

However hate speech is still free speech. It would be protected under the US Constitution, for example.

Nobody should jailed or penalised by government for expressing an opinion.

[–]imextremelymoderate -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People are defending it. Read the comments

[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, freedom of speech is not negotiable and caving in to those who would suppress it because we think it is in our interest to do so would be deplorable.

[–]Langland88 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think we're defend what he actually said. We believe being jailed for that is what is ridicules. Whether anyone here agrees with his statements or thought they were stupid, we just believe they are nothing but words and just his opinion. Personally, I thought what he said was kind of stupid and I don't agree with it, but he doesn't need to be locked up for it. Honestly the way you are quick to believe he deserves his punishment makes me believe you have some questionable beliefs that sound like a Godwin's Law if I said it myself but that's already been brought up.

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