Why do male advocates seem to have so much conflict with feminists?

FightHateWithLove · 2022-03-15T20:25:33+00:00

In addition to raw tribalism (with a zero-sum game mentality) the conflict usually comes from feminists who adhere to an oppressor/oppressed narrative about gender, which makes their version of feminism incompatible with male advocacy.

Addressing systemic or even individual discrimination against men undermines a worldview where all gendered advantages go to males and all gendered disadvantages to go females.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2022-03-15T15:31:43+00:00

Wow, how much more reasonable and fair could the tone be? And yet, I'm sure that for many, it still won't be enough, and that's sad.

By the way, does he post here? From that clip, he strikes me as at least left-leaning.

House_of_Raven · 2022-03-15T16:47:06+00:00

Because in a large part when men advocate for their own liberation from oppressive issues, women directly benefit from that oppression. Since the modern feminist movement generally tries to consolidate as much power into women as possible, that goes against their goals.

I would maybe rephrase to say mens rights movements are anti-feminist, but not anti-woman.

SpanishM · 2022-03-15T15:20:54+00:00

Feminism:

~~the belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way, or the set of activities intended to achieve this state.~~

doctrine that sees men as the cause of all women's problems, or class warfare against men.

That's the conflict.

Cunari · 2022-03-15T23:13:29+00:00

Everyone should have conflict with feminism red flags like how they address criticism and manipulate definitions of words and how even at the current power level they don’t care about male equality despite their message being a benevolent entity spreading equality throughout the land.

Ausiwandilaz · 2022-03-16T09:47:06+00:00

Speaking from experience, alot of feminist I have known and had debates with do care about mens rights. The problem is thoes feminist I've known were also bullied, and targeted as an MRA, by their own movement....still they crawl back to it.

Why? Indoctrination, propaganda, and double speak "Mens rights will be handled after Women's rights have been won"...where there is always a women's issue

WeEatBabies · 2022-03-15T14:37:35+00:00

Huh, because we want a gender neutral approach to domestic violence, but feminist need to keep their house eviction powers at the point of their fingers!

FairSalt3351 · 2022-03-15T11:44:02+00:00

Video from an MRA I subscribe to, explains why the mens movement isn't "anti-feminist", but rather often face unfair criticism from feminists. Calls for an egalitarian outlook, and talks about several major male issues.

2022-03-15T15:52:23+00:00

because as long as there is anything involving men that women are not a large part of is always considered bad, and then they somehow want to champion male issue while simultneous doing little to nothing about it

Valoxity-_- · 2022-03-18T09:07:36+00:00

I dont consider myself as a leftwing or rightwing, I call myself antifeminist sometimes, because from what I have seen, and read Feminism has never given a shit about men, and back like 40-50 years ago I could understand, but even today with things like the empathy gap, male homelessness, male suicide etc I dont see them talking about any big male issue what so ever( I’m not saying all feminists are bad, but the bad ones are the ones speaking in the media, and pulling the strings) Feminism today does not equal egalitarianism imo.

molbionerd · 2022-03-16T00:34:06+00:00

Because the loudest most ridiculous ones are the ones you run into the most. The rational, average ones aren’t out picking fights on the internet. The internet has pushed people farther into their own echo-chambers and the easiest way to gain influence and power is to be even louder and more ridiculous than the person before.

Your_Nipples · 2022-03-16T02:36:35+00:00

Not familiar with this sub but is the anti feminism sentiment something usual?

Title	Why do male advocates seem to have so much conflict with feminists?
Author	FairSalt3351
Upvotes	61
Comments	34
Date	March 15, 2022 11:41 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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