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Music Teacher Charged For Sex Crimes With Student After Husband Turns Her In - The Police Tribune

Clemicus

May 20, 2022
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Title Music Teacher Charged For Sex Crimes With Student After Husband Turns Her In - The Police Tribune
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Clemicus

Upvotes 620
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Date May 20, 2022 7:23 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]jessi387 203 points204 points205 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol she only got convicted because the victim here was also a female

[–]singularitous 179 points180 points181 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And as usually, the article has a flattering photo of her taken from social media. I mean, it's not a crime if your rapist is attractive right?

[+]ThatDamnCanadianGuy -78 points-77 points-76 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Or rich. Just ask Convicted Rapist Brock Turner.

[–]liberalbutnotcrazy 71 points72 points73 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How can it be simultaneously “not a crime” and your example be “convicted rapist Brock Turner”

You may disagree with sentencing or crimes charged, which likely were affected by his families wealth by the lawyer they were able to hire. But he was still charged and convicted

[–]Deadass-Boi 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, the convicted rapist who got away with rape

[–]NuclearTheology 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know why you thought you did something here

[–]McFeely_Smackup 81 points82 points83 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Husband was like "Nope! I'm not getting blamed for this"

[–]ramao__ 174 points175 points176 points 4 years ago (73 children) | Copy Link

Sex Crimes, aka, RAPE

[+]Billy-Batdorf -174 points-173 points-172 points 4 years ago* (72 children) | Copy Link

It's not rape. It's so absurd that MRAs just parrot dipshit feminists on this. What do you think occurs between the ages of 17 and 18 that suddenly makes this girl capable of consent where she wasn't before... despite voluntarily going over to her teacher's house to have sex multiple times.

None of you can answer this, but as usual rely on butthurt downvotes to censor dissent.

[–]Nevarinin512 92 points93 points94 points 4 years ago (46 children) | Copy Link

How do you proof consent when there is a clear power imbalance like teacher/student?

Where I am from it is literally illegal to give grades to a (university) student you have a sexual relationship with because of this pretty obvious conflict of interest. You can do it, but you can’t stay their teacher/prof.

And this makes perfect sense and is pretty damn rational if you ask me.

[+]Billy-Batdorf -78 points-77 points-76 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

You are parroting feminist theory with your first question. Your second question I agree with, it is a conflict of interest, but my statement is about rape.

Re: the first question. If it's rational then every feminist argument alleging that a 'power imbalance exists therefore it doesn't matter what the context is, the more 'powerful' partner is always at fault' is also fundamentally sound. Do you want that? Do you want to go to jail on that premise?

But on that matter, why can't you or I consent to have sex with someone more powerful than us? Or less? Why is my desire and interest in sex assumed immediately to have an abusive angle that requires a perfectly equal partner so I won't become a raving male predator or helpless baby (depending on status of course). This line of thinking presumes so much about consent I don't think I could cover it all, it would view most relationships as abusive. Not surprising because it's a fundamentally feminist argument.

Let's be real: MRAs would be calling this girl a false accusing slut if she was one year older. The Mensrights community gets off on posting teacher scandal outrage stories and it's taught all you to adopt the mental weakness and low iq of feminist theory.

[–]Nevarinin512 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No I am not, but you seem to be on the trip to interpret it that way.

I clearly made an argument about teacher/student relationships or to be even more clear and how it is actually phrased in law where I am from: You cannot have sex with someone who you are a form of guardian to. There isn’t a better translation as English lacks that word. Clearly what is meant is situations like

Teacher/student Nurse or doctor/patient Prison guard/ detainee Police officer/ detainee or victim Social worker/ social benefactor

This has clearly nothing to do with the rather dumbed down perspective feminism seems to have about power, but to protect people who are in direct need of guidance, protection or care of another person.

This does not include someone of a low social class with no “power” being forbidden to have sex with a “powerful” CEO or billionaire or any of that weird nonsense.

[+]Billy-Batdorf -36 points-35 points-34 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You couched the argument in terms of my question, which you never answered: ' What do you think occurs between the ages of 17 and 18 that suddenly makes this girl capable of consent where she wasn't before.'

You used the argument in the same loose fashion of feminist theory -> you intended to dodge the question of whether or not a 17 year old woman, a woman who enthusiastically consented to sex on multiple occasions, would be fundamentally different than the same woman a few months later in terms of consent and therefore 'rape'.

Now you're comparing this voluntary sex to prison guards predating prisoners and you think think makes you look less feminist?! lol.

[–]Nevarinin512 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

*sigh

you don’t know what I thought (I don’t even need to prove this lol) and I never dodged your question. You believing that doesn’t make it true.

I clearly explained my position relates to certain situations, which funny enough you agreed with previously.

You accusing me of some random feminist BS doesnt make it true and the funny thing is you don’t even seem to get I am not pro-feminism and my biggest issue with them is mainly the irrational use of power/privilege, which is exactly why I focused and disagreed only with your part about teacher/student relationships.

I don’t care about your need to get approval that nothing spectacular happens between 17 and 18. It’s completely immaterial to what I said and you thinking I disagreed there while I never said anything about that sounds like a you-problem.

So I didn’t dodge shit, it’s simply not relevant for my point.

I tell you another interesting law we got here and why we don’t have dumb issues like that and why it’s pretty clear for us:

The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1): it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"[37]).

This is specified by Sections 176 (Sexual abuse of children) and 182 (Sexual abuse of youths) of the Penal Code, which read:

§ 176: "(1) Whoever commits sexual acts on a person under fourteen (14) years of age (a child) or allows them to be committed on themself by the child, shall be punished by imprisonment from six months to ten years [...]"

§ 180: "(1) Whoever abets the commission of sexual acts of a person under sixteen years of age on or in front of a third person or sexual acts of a third person on a person under sixteen years of age":

by acting as an intermediary; or by furnishing or creating an opportunity, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. [...]"

§ 182: "(2) A person over twenty-one years of age who abuses a person under sixteen years of age, in that he: 1. commits sexual acts on the person or allows them to be committed on himself by the person; or 2. induces the person to commit sexual acts on a third person or to allow them to be committed on the person by a third person, and thereby exploits the victim's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. [...] The act shall only be prosecuted upon complaint, unless the prosecuting authority considers ex officio that it is required to enter the case because of the special public interest therein. [...] The court may dispense with punishment pursuant to these provisions if, in consideration of the conduct of the person against whom the act was directed, the wrongfulness of the act is slight."[38]

These are additional to the laws I explained to you before. Together they actually allow great personal freedom while still protecting the vulnerable.

[–]Nostradomas 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

2 kids banging does not equal mid 20 year old teacher banging a child

[–]Prestigious_While_64 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing changes...oh wait they have more rights, are Independent , why? Why did we set this line? After all there are people who are not mature to the point of making good choices...maby its an average age in wich most people would get to this level, you know, like a lot of physsical changes and hormonal instabilitis slow down or stop? Naaah impossibable

[–]The_Great_Sarcasmo 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

If it's rational then every feminist argument alleging that a 'power imbalance exists therefore it doesn't matter what the context is, the more 'powerful' partner is always at fault' is also fundamentally sound. Do you want that? Do you want to go to jail on that premise?

Teachers are literally in a position of authority over students. Always the case if they're their students.

Are men in a position of authority over women?

[+]TheRabbitTunnel -21 points-20 points-19 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

All male bosses are in a position of authority over their female employees. Do you think it should be classified as rape anytime a woman sleeps with her boss?

[–]lovemeharderdaddy69 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Do you really compare teacher on students as the same as boss on employees?

[+]TheRabbitTunnel -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No. Youre the one who said "one is in a position of authority." Im showing you why that argument is silly, because its clearly not rape every time someone in a position of power has sex with someone they have power over.

[–]lovemeharderdaddy69 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I didn't said that. But would you say this wasn't rape then in this situation or taking advantage over a student?

[–]TheRabbitTunnel -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I didn't said that

You literally said this quote, word for word: "Teachers are literally in a position of authority over students. Always the case if they're their students. Are men in a position of authority over women?."

That was a terrible argument for two reasons:

  1. It implies that if someone in a position of authority has sex with someone beneath them, then its rape. Thats nonsense

  2. You said "are men in a power of position over women?", as if there are no men in a position of power over any women.

I showed you how silly your argument was simply by pointing out that there are male bosses with female employees, who they have power over. So yes, there are lots of men who have power over women.

But would you say this wasn't rape then in this situation or taking advantage over a student?

Based on the information, it definitely doesn't sound like rape. Student was 1 year over the legal age of consent and went to the teachers house, multiple times, for sex and they messaged each other. As for whether or not its a teacher taking advantage, I'd say we need more information. It could be a teacher taking advantange of a student, or it could be a mature 17 year old who had a thing for her teacher and went for it.

[–]WEEBforLIFE24 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

are all the female workers minors ?

[–]The_Great_Sarcasmo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. And female bosses are in a position of authority over their male employees.

So what.

If there was a point there feel free to expand on it.

[–]TheRabbitTunnel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Im not the clown whose suggesting that its rape anytime someone with authority sleeps with someone beneath them. Thats ridiculous, which was my point.

[–]The_Great_Sarcasmo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Really?

Who said that?

Is it possible to quote them?

[–]TheRabbitTunnel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Did you not follow the chain of comments? People were debating about whether or not this is rape. Someone argued that its not rape and someone responded by saying that "teachers have authority over their students."

Edit: It was literally you who did that. If you agree that its not rape, then why are you arguing against the people who are also saying its not rape? Clown

[+]TheRabbitTunnel -25 points-24 points-23 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

How do you proof consent when there is a clear power imbalance like teacher/student?

Did the teacher say "have sex with me or it'll effect your grades?" No? Then the power imbalance isn't relevant.

literally illegal to give grades to a (university) student you have a sexual relationship with because of this pretty obvious conflict of interest

Conflict of interest =/= rape.

In Pennsylvania, where this happened, the age of consent is 16. The 17 year old student went over to the teachers house, multiple times, for consensual sex. Its not rape. You can argue its wrong, its a conflict of interest, etc, but its not rape.

[–]Nevarinin512 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

lol, are you really so naive that you don’t realize it doesn’t have to be said to still have an effect? Like, for real?

What if the student suddenly doesn’t want anymore? Clearly that created a vulnerable position?

Also, I never said this specific case is de facto rape. If you look closely there isn’t even the word rape in my comment....

Also, you quoted me wrong. I talked about the country I am from and why it’s like it is. I didn’t talk about legality in Pennsylvania and it’s completely irrelevant to my point.

[+]TheRabbitTunnel -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

lol, are you really so naive that you don’t realize it doesn’t have to be said to still have an effect? Like, for real?

No, I think teacher/student sex is wrong and any teacher should be fired for doing it, for the reason you said (conflict of interest). But that doesn't make it rape. If theres any evidence that the teacher coerced the student, then yeah that opens up the possibility of rape. But with no evidence of that? And the student was old enough to consent? Then no, not rape. Lets not stoop down to the level of feminists and label everything as rape.

What if the student suddenly doesn’t want anymore?

If the student said stop and she didnt stop, then yeah its rape.

Also, I never said this specific case is de facto rape. If you look closely there isn’t even the word rape in my comment

Now youre just being disingenuous. Someone argued that it wasnt rape, and you responded to them, arguing against their points. You didn't need to say the word rape for it to be obvious that you were arguing this is a case of rape.

[–]Nevarinin512 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What nonsense. I argued morals and why laws are made like that in pretty obvious general sense and additionally it is completely possible for the student to consensual have sex with their teacher BUT it still being illegal because of the implications.

Maybe your issue is that you argue in binary options only, huh?

[+]TheRabbitTunnel -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

So are you saying it was or wasn't rape? I thought it was pretty clear we are in agreement that student/teacher sex is wrong and any teacher should be fired for it, because its such a conflict of interest.

But that doesn't make it rape. Do you agree or not? That was the point of the original comment. That we shouldn't be classifying cases like this as rape. Its what feminists do. Lets not stoop to that level.

[–]Nevarinin512 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Maybe read my first comment?!

“How do you proof consent when there is a clear power imbalance like teacher/student?”

  • Reason why it’s illegal by default. We can’t simply assume consent in a minor towards their teacher. This doesn’t mean this headline is or isn’t rape.

“Where I am from it is literally illegal to give grades to a (university) student you have a sexual relationship with because of this pretty obvious conflict of interest. You can do it, but you can’t stay their teacher/prof.”

  • Does this passage read to you like I am talking about rape? Especially the last sentence? Does it, mh?

Ya don’t think so.

If your not convinced, go quote me and explain where I said it’s rape. Now pls stfu

[–]TheRabbitTunnel 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

consent in a minor towards their teacher

Age of consent is 16 in philly, where this took place. Might be different in your country, but thats not relevant. Your country isn't the moral dictator of the universe.

Does this passage read to you like I am talking about rape? Especially the last sentence? Does it, mh? Ya don’t think so.

Then why are you so aggressively arguing against two people who say that "this is wrong, but not rape"? Dont argue against someone and then complain when they assume that you disagree with them. You aggressively argue against us and then do a 180 and say "oh I wasn't arguing against you." Youre a clown.

[–]JediNinjaWizard 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Is that your professional opinion, Dr. Lawyer?

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]themainaccountofyeet 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Statutory rape is not rape

What the hell is wrong with you

[–]Nostradomas 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck face. Pedos get the rope. If your diddling kids when your in an authority figure in their life. You should be put against a wall and shot.

[+]BumLeeJon -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Diddling kids and getting with a 17 year old are now the same? Wild

[–]Dixie___Normous 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You need professional help. People like you are damaging to society.

[–]May097 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because that is the law. Since you clearly are smarter than everyone else, what should be the leeway for the age of consent? 17.5 to 18? Or maybe you can argue one or two more months doesn't make a difference, so let's make it 17. And so on. The reason we keep it 18, is so that the law is clear.

And since, you clearly doesn't understand the reasons behind the law and is blaming the victim. How about you change the laws when you come to power in the government.

[–]Tweapodok33 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So how many underaged people have you totally not raped?

[–]syro23 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What happens is society has laws and legal definitions and legally speaking it is in fact rape.

Also legally speaking, you are a dumbass.

[–]Temporary_Spend_3111 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would you say the exact same if the roles are reversed? 26 year old man and 17 year old boy? Cause for a extended period of time the 26 year old individual clearly groomed the adolecent teen and by most peoples definition it is satuatory rape is it not?

[–]abusmakk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because when you make a law you have to draw the line somewhere.

[–]ramao__ 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What occurs is a thing called aged of legal consent, and that age should be maintained. If we start thinking "17 is close to 18 so it's not rape", soon it's going to be "16 is close to 17 so it's not rape". An 18 year old can be quite vulnerable anyways, I remember I wasn't exactly mature when I was 18.

Plus you're too dumb to understand that my comment is more focused on how the news media tends to report these occurrences as "having sex" when a boy is the victim, and as rape when a girl is the victim (the correct way), and it's important to point out this double standard.

There, answered. Now take the downvote, cause that's how this site works.

[–]TheRabbitTunnel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Age of consent in Pennsylvania (where this took place) is 16. By arguing that right and wrong is based on the law, you just completely negated your own argument, as the law says this was consensual sex.

I agree with you about media bias, but this was not a case of rape.

[–]mindset_grindset 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you're being needlessly insulting and antagonistic

I'm positive a guy that writes the way you do can infer that what most men really are RIGHTFULLY upset about is the hypocritical disconnect between when a male teacher has sex with a student in identical circumstances it is rape and molestation with a child but when it's a female teacher they use nice words pictures and lighter punishments due to the very real issue of female privilege.

i bet you even agree with that with all your feminist hate. good. so why are you being intentionally obtuse pretending to miss the point he only didn't include for the sake of brevity? just to show off how smart you think you are and start a fight. if you're not a troll then you're only a half step above one.

your semantic issue of what age is rape and consent possible is much broader and has much less clear answers and more complexity and nobody was talking about it and you know it.

what isn't complex is men being called rapists but women not even being able to be called rapists in some countries bc they're so blatantly sexist that they have it codified into law.

[–]VegiXTV 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

One is legal and the other is not. Your complaints are completely irrelevant to us because the law is still the law. If you want to change the law then you need to speak to legislators. Until then you're a sick pedo if you're going after 17 year olds.

[–]TheRabbitTunnel -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

One is legal and the other is not.

Age of consent in Pennsylvania (where this took place) is 16. You just completely negated your own argument. Arguing that the law dictates right and wrong is an incredibly terrible argument to make.

[–]VegiXTV 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

congrats. you found a state that did what i said to do. that makes me wrong....how?

[–]TheRabbitTunnel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You literally argued based on legality. "One is legal, the other is not." You didnt make any moral/scientific argument as to why people under 18 cant consent. You argued based on the fact that legal age of consent is 18 is most states.

Dont make an argument based on legality, then immediately switch to "oh but thats states law is wrong."

17 year olds, generally, are mature enough to consent to sex. There isnt some magic switch that flips once they hit 18 and suddenly makes them understand sex.

Now, I think a student and a teacher having sex is wrong regardless of age. But this wasnt a case of rape, and the other person is correct in saying youre doing what feminists do and falsely classifying something as rape by saying "they couldnt truly consent."

[–]leftover-pizza- 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course 17 year olds don’t think differently than 18 year olds but 18 year olds in general still have little experience with sex and little understanding of the consequences, and so do 17 year olds. Just because 18 is the baseline doesn’t mean they aren’t still vulnerable when it comes to sex. You have to draw a line somewhere, and at 18 you are legally an adult so it makes sense to draw the line there.

But legally right doesn’t always mean morally right. An 18 (or even a 15, 16 or 17 year old in some places) year old sleeping with a 30 year old may not be legally wrong, but society will still raise an eyebrows at it because at 15/16/17/18 you are in such a radically different state of mind than at 30. So while according to the law, it’s not rape, there’s a reason people will still think of it that way.

People probably have to find a different term for it, but it will be condemned by society either way.

[–]TheRabbitTunnel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think a teacher sleeping with a student is wrong regardless of age. But that doesnt make it rape.

[–]leftover-pizza- -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but I don’t just mean a teacher and a student. I mean any large age gap where one is barely 18 and the other is like 30.

It doesn’t count as statutory rape because the law draws the line somewhere. But 18 is still young and society will look at it as morally wrong, even when it’s not legally wrong.

[–]TheRabbitTunnel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dont worry about the downvotes. No matter how good a subreddit is, its an echo chamber to some degree. This student was 17 and voluntarily went to the teachers house, multiple times, for sex. Furthermore, the age of consent is 16 in Pennsylvania, where this took place. This clearly wasn't rape.

But the people in this sub are used to the media refusing to refer to female rapists as rapists. Because of this, some get carried away and classify pretty much any student/teacher sex as rape, even in cases like this where its not.

[–]sakura_drop 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This student was 17 and voluntarily went to the teachers house, multiple times, for sex. Furthermore, the age of consent is 16 in Pennsylvania, where this took place. This clearly wasn't rape.

Although the general age of consent in Pennsylvania is 16, the Institutional Sexual Assault statute was amended for cases involving an individual who works with youths in any capacity, where the age of consent is raised to 18.

The definition given for Child within the revised statute is as follows:

"Child." An individual who is less than 18 years of age.

[–]allmyghtt 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You really shouldn't talk about censorship of MRAs subs when feminists subs and others just ban ban ban..some don't let you comment if uv commented on specific other subs .... much worse then downvote bombed.

You got downvoted because, it IS rape if it was a male teacher it would be rape, it would be seen as rape even though as you'd find alot of people agree that there's is no magical change from 17 to 18 but in the eyes of the law there is.

So this is rape and should be reported as such to do other wise only gives a misconception of what rape could be determined as, and who is doing the crime or who the victims are....

Ur one redeaming factor would be if you believed.. ur idea that this isn't rape would apply to a 30 year old MALE teacher and a 17 year old girl.. even then people are going to disagree particularly on different subs and you'd actually get silenced( banned)

As iv said I do find the 17to 18 thing funny. I find all the age things funny in that regard like really now, they are 18 it's jail time, now we can drink, now we can drive etcetera.

I also think downvotes are silly with out a voiced challenged to why they disagree with you ... but when you put controversial shit on a sub expectation should be people won't like it at the very least ur not silenced like other subs actually do

putting that ur upset that people are going to down vote you only makes you a target..

you'll probs downvote me though 😉

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A student cannot consent to sex with a teacher or anyone who works for the school system.

[–]regularcomments 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

#Womenalsorape

[–]8nt2L8 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sick, perverted rapist.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a filthy fucking rapist.

[–]VeritasDitum 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At last one of the husbands of these degenerate women shows some testicular fortitude. I cannot understand when in almost every other case the husband shows up in court in support of his degenerate adulterous "wife".

[–]fonsoc 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can message through Spotify?

[–]Skywarriorad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where my head went while reading this too

[–]introspectthis 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's the article in full:

Wilmington, PA – A Pennsylvania high school music director who replaced a teacher who had been charged with sex crimes against students has been charged with having an inappropriate physical relationship with a student herself.

The investigation into 26-year-old Olivia Lois Ortz began after her husband, Cody Ortz, returned from a trip to Florida and found correspondence between his wife and a 17-year-old female student on her iPad, the New Castle News reported.

Cody Ortz directed the Wilmington High School musical this year but does not work for the school district.

The criminal complaint said that Cody Ortz reported his wife’s illicit relationship with a student to the school district right after he found out about it, the New Castle News reported.

The school district and Cody Ortz then reported the matter to Childline, and the police were contacted.

Investigators served a search warrant on the Ortz home on May 5 and found text and Spotify messages between the music teacher and the 17-year-old girl, the New Castle News reported.

The criminal complaint said that more than 100 messages had been exchanged between the two on Spotify, and the teacher and student had set up a code word to use if something went wrong or “something bad” happened to either one of them.

The police report said the teen admitted to officers that she had been over to Ortz’s house multiple times while her husband was not home, the New Castle News reported.

She said that had spent the night with the teacher and had multiple romantic, physical encounters with Ortz.

Court records showed the girl told investigators that she slept over at Ortz’s house on April 7, 8, and 9 and they had a sexual relationship. Police also found out that Ortz had continued communicating with the 17-year-old student even after the warrants had been served at her home, the New Castle News reported.

The girl told investigators that she was in love with Ortz and wanted to offer her support. The complaint showed the girl told authorities that her father had taken away her cell phone, iPad, and laptop after he found out she was still talking to the woman who had victimized her. School officials suspended Ortz with pay as soon as they found out about the allegations, the New Castle News reported. Wilmington Schools Superintendent Dr. Terence P. Meehan said the music teacher resigned her teaching position on May 9.

On Friday, a district judge issued a warrant for Ortz’s arrest, the New Castle News reported. The former teacher has been charged with unlawful contact with a minor for sexual offenses, criminal use of a communication facility, and two counts of intercourse/sexual contact with a school student. Ortz remained at large over the weekend and performed in the Shenango Valley Chorale’s 50th anniversary concert on Sunday before turning herself in on Monday afternoon, the New Castle News reported. Borough Police Chief Carmen Piccirillo said Ortz surrendered on the advice of her attorney and was arraigned by District Judge Rick Russo.

Russo ordered Ortz held in the Lawrence County jail on a $150,000 bond. She has posted bond and been released, according to the New Castle News. Disturbingly, Ortz’s predecessor at Wilmington High School was also accused of sexual misconduct with students. Former band and music teacher 37-year-old Jonathan Priano allegedly had an affinity for tickling female students’ feet and engaged in close personal relationships with several of them, the New Castle News reported.

Priano was ultimately charged with 10 counts of institutional sexual assault, two counts of unlawful contact with minors, 12 counts of corruption of minors, and two counts of endangering the welfare of children. He is scheduled for trial this summer in the Lawrence County Court of Common Please, the New Castle News reported.

There so many things wrong here I can't even begin to organize then.. "immediately suspended with pay".. I fucking can't..

[–]Happy-Target9330 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

post on r/Feminism

[–]BalloonPilotDude 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is going on at this school? You got multiple teachers arrested for the same stuff…

[–]AteMyBallsLastNight 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Again, they won't call her a child molester because she is a woman not a man. And only men commit crimes like these because they are monsters /s.

[–]SingleStill7043 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sir, we do call women like her child molesters, groomers. gender doesn't matter.

[–]Perpetual_Question 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

American Public Schools are some of the most dangerous places in America, not because of shootings, which are extremely rare, but because of grooming teachers.

[–]JamesWanny 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s all about the language being used! If this was a man caught, they would be calling it rape, not “sex crimes.” The photos also play such a huge role in the societal acceptance of female-perpetrated rape. They have these super “sexy” photos ripped from their social media while the men always have their mugshot or a less flattering picture with a black-and-white filter over it.

[+]pwinne -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These female teachers are a always hot AF .. damn

[+]Qantourisc -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Can someone explain why this is here ?

[–]MrElderwood 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

As a frame of reference for the gender disparity in the consequences, I would assume. It's been proven statistically that men receive harsher sentences for the same/similar crimes.

[–]Qantourisc -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I might have misread, did this article go into sentences ?
I read it again, but maybe I missed it again ?

[–]Clemicus[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Previous poster meant in a general sense. Not specific to this case. Think more suspended sentences are handed out

It's a mixed bag. You could read about one case where in the defendant gets x amount of years and another in which the defendant doesn't face much in terms of consequences

[–]Qantourisc 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A more interesting detail:

"He is scheduled for trial this summer in the Lawrence County Court of Common Please, the New Castle News reported." ... slip of the tongue due to habits , or an honest mistake ?

[–]Clemicus[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's her predecessor -- the article is about two cases

[–]HEMIfan17 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pardon my ignorance but I just looked up the agent of consent in PA and it's 16. Why charge her? Authority figure?

[–]UnevenTesticles 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a snitch xD

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