What is the ''manosphere'' wrong about? Or does it just exposes uncomfortable truths?

wtknight · 2022-09-06T19:56:07+00:00

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boring-shenanigans · 2022-09-06T19:31:25+00:00

I think they are very focused on a certain demographic of women: I can assure you that well-meaning, kind and loyal women exist. When promoting their ideals they should keep in mind that if they were to ever meet a good woman, that person may not accept them because of those ideals. I think that the manosphere seems incapable of admitting the not so rare existence of "worthy" women.

NockerJoe · 2022-09-06T19:39:23+00:00

I find that the manosphere is good at pointing out social patterns that polite society is generally conditioned to ignore, but they're bad at ascribing motivations to those things. They can tell you that something is happening, but their reasoms for why something is happening are not always correct, and that as a result when they extrapolate the final results can be off.

I think that its more accurate to notice the pattern, but use the excuses people give as motivations and not be charitable about it, nor try to be the theoretical good guy in the equation. Which is the actual issue. People will talk all day about how their personal issues made them do this or that but then advise you to act as if everyone you date is 100% stable and self secure, reasonably patient, and consistently physically and emotionally available, and any exceptions are wild freak incidents rather than just being how people are.

Which is, to me, the biggest actual problem. If you're a young dude in 2022 you're dating in a world where attention spans are way down and a quarter of women will have some sort of diagnosable disorder like depression or anxiety, and you're dating in a world wjere social engagements happen less and less and appearances make up more of a first impression. These are just the raw statistic facts of it. If you follow standard normo advice and act as if every woman you meet is going to be a neurotypical woman who looks for whats on the inside and you'll be regularly meeting at the local soda fountain or whatever you're gonna have a bad time.

TrizzyG · 2022-09-06T19:48:29+00:00

They think that Miami nightclub women are what all women are like. It's bizarre, and stupid.

junobomber · 2022-09-06T19:31:37+00:00

"AWALT" should be read as "all the women I attract are like that". when trp talks about women it's always to the tune of:

"No woman will ever love you for who you are! I know that first hand! Get your money up and never let her get the best of you!"

it's a competition. IT'S ALWAYS a competition. And you can tell by the way redpillers talk about the world that NONE of them get any bitches. They've been lured into this masculine hell hole by content creators who manipulate their audiences into watching their videos with content centered around people's deepest insecurities.

It's never "you deserve the love you want just for being you." Nobody ever told me that when I was male presenting. If more men heard that, that they're worthwhile just the way they are, and any growth is icing on top, there'd be a lot more confidence out there.

BeepBeepSaysTheJeep · 2022-09-06T19:37:29+00:00

That the men who subscribe to their philosophy have some intrinsic value.

Negative, Ghost Rider. If you can't act right, you're replaceable.

-angels-fan- · 2022-09-06T19:28:43+00:00

Too much victim mentality that feminism is the source of a lot of men's problems (Which, it is) and too little prescriptive action on how we can fix the problems, even with the additional weight of feminism working against us.

I swear to Christ if I hear one more time about the fucking fire alarm at the MRA conference, I'm gonna lose my shit. Is that the stuff MRAs are made of?? One fire alarm and it's "pack it up boys, we tried and a feminist pulled a fire alarm. What more can we possibly do??"

FilmStew · 2022-09-06T19:50:51+00:00

The manosphere is just becoming diluted now. It's what happens with everything that's similar to it on the internet.

A few people start producing what is considered helpful content.
Those few people decide to go full-time and monetize their efforts because they have to if they want to go full-time with it.
Then other people see it as a money play, so they jump in and start producing as much content as possible for attention and money.
Now you have people walking around *talking* wild "RP shit" for attention when they don't *walk* any of it because that's just how they make money.

That being said, the manosphere is too wide these days. So to say "What do they have wrong?" is pretty hard to pinpoint because the question also has to be "Well who do you think is mostly right?". You can't just try to conglomerate all of it together once it reaches a certain level of popularity.

I think the older content around the "manosphere" was genuinely helpful, especially to men who were married young in a traditional sense and lost their wives in some way later down the road. To ignore the fact that the relationship between men and women has changed drastically in the past few decades is a huge oversight IMO (depending on the location and culture I guess).

So when you include "blatantly rape apologism" and "their attitude towards marriage" as something everyone in the space thinks and preaches, that is just not really a genuine argument IMO. The true idea is to help men better understand modern intersexual dynamics, not have them walk around preaching it like they've cracked some kind of code when they take little to no advice from it.

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Smitten_Squire · 2022-09-06T19:48:30+00:00

They are right. Some people just cant cope with uncomfortable truths and resort to staying in ignorance blue land

2022-09-06T19:55:11+00:00

The only thing that the Manosphere has wrong is the notion that traditional relationships and marriages can work in the 21st century. This shit is dead and Men need to start realizing that.

I'm also sick of seeing these PUA Dating Coaches rebranded themselves with the RedPill brand and still extort Men's suffering for unbelievable rates; some that ranges up to $1000 an hour.

MarBitt · 2022-09-06T19:58:54+00:00

Only women (certain types of women only) and not other men and the whole world are judged with that very critical lens. Most criticism of women can be applied to people as such.

The truth taken out of context (when, for example, I will criticize only one of the political parties) is, from a certain point, such a one-sided view that it is not even true anymore.

DisasterPeace7 · 2022-09-06T21:14:18+00:00

Well since I don't buy into either one 100% I guess I'll consider myself blue pilled for this question, but one of the issues I see with the manosphere or I'll just say specifically a lot of the red pill guys is that it seems to be one extreme or the other that you're either a loser living in his mother's basement or you're a seven-figure guy banging tens, some guys just want a good job, steady house and a nice chick to marry lol

Title	What is the ''manosphere'' wrong about? Or does it just exposes uncomfortable truths?
Author	SantarpiosPizza
Upvotes	3
Comments	26
Date	September 6, 2022 7:21 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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