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61% of women in the US now identify as feminists, including over 70% of college-educated women

Decent_Ear589

January 27, 2023
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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/07/61-of-u-s-women-say-feminist-describes-them-well-many-see-feminism-as-empowering-polarizing/
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Title 61% of women in the US now identify as feminists, including over 70% of college-educated women
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Decent_Ear589

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Date January 27, 2023 4:15 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]rationalguyforsure 56 points57 points58 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That’s leaves 30% who don’t. It’s a start.

[–]Head-Medium-3007 48 points49 points50 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But many of these women most likely have tradcon values which also promote misandry, gynocentrism and male disposability please do not forget that the right is not your friend

[–]rationalguyforsure 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I have no problem with women on “the Right”. They never did anything to me that I would not voluntarily agree to that I can think of, maybe there are some things, but no more than men of the Right would impose on me I suppose.

[–]B1G_Fan 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with u/Head-Medium-3007 on this one

The "man up and marry those sluts" mentality is very prevalent in modern churches, even far-right leaning ones such as Wisconsin Lutheran Synod and Orthodox Christianity

Thus, tradcons are not to be trusted

[–]rationalguyforsure -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Meh. If you don’t like feminists and you don’t like trads, you’re kinda stuck with a small slice of available women. Nothing wrong with being single, if that’s what you want, that’s cool.

[–]Arrathall 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Be glad im gay

[–]King_Obvious_III 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I waited until 38 to get married, she was the first woman I ever met who was a self avowed anti feminist. When I found out I knew I had something special and couldn't stop thinking about asking her to marry me

[–]denisc9918 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or all that's left.... 😰. lol

[–]BrokeMacMountain 37 points38 points39 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

God! this is terrorfying. This many misandrists in one society. This many people following a fascist ideology is going to destroy society.

[–]Educational_Bet_6606 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I've seen good Christian women even have anti male sentiments and have said blatant anti male stuff.

[–]CupOfKwofy 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

that's because no one calls them out. Men stopped with the wife hating a while back but as usual, women get a pass.

[–]Educational_Bet_6606 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From what it seems wife hating was always seen as a bad thing.

[–]Flaky-Illustrator-52 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then are they really good? 🤔

[–]Educational_Bet_6606 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You have a point. In many other ways, yeah.

[–]austin987 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's a good Christian women?

[–]Educational_Bet_6606 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One that is kind, dutiful, follows the Lord.

[–]Drayenn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok lets not pretend all self identified feminists are crazy lol

[–]BrokeMacMountain 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

who's pretending? ;)

[–]GivesStellarAdvice 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

A good portion of that 61% actshually believe that feminism is "just about gender equality". They don't put any though, research or effort into it. They've just heard that that's what feminism is about, so when they get asked on some random survey, they're like "yeah, I'm for gender equality so I'm a feminist".

In reality, that group are MRAs (just without much of the "A" piece).

[–]xsplizzle 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ive also heard them go 'Do you believe women should have rights?' 'yes? then you are a feminist!'

um no, im about equal rights for the genders so im not a feminist thanks

[–]excessive_autism23 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What rights do women not have? Except for the Roe V wade overturn, which is a failure of the Republican Party, I agree, which will eventually be solved with an election because republican women are realising they’re dying from that law. So apart from that, what rights do women not have?

[–]Angryasfk 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh? You mean separate laws passed by individual States?

Abortion is also not simply a “women’s rights issue”. It’s balancing rights between women and those of a foetus/potential person. The original Roe v Wade ruling tried to set up some sort of limit on the “right to abortion”. My view is that if we want to have abortion it should be based upon the viability of the foetus and the chances of survival if it were delivered. A cut off should be something like the gestational time when 50% of infants would survive.

The “women’s rights” only come into it where it has a real impact on a woman’s health it the pregnancy were to continue. And possibly in cases of rape, although the sort of law described above should enough to deal with that.

[–]TheMayonegg1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Most of society believes feminism is about equality but I saw a feminist tweet from 2009 that was anti men and that proves billions of people are wrong about feminism and I’m right

[–]marsezo 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

feminism literally means "womenism" and you have the audacity to call it equality

[–]GivesStellarAdvice 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of society believes feminism is about equality

[Citation Needed]

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s more than one tweet unfortunately. Perhaps have a look at Katherine Spillar and her denial that men have fewer reproductive rights than women, and then spend the next 10 minutes justifying why they don’t.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

this is from July 7, 2020

just sayin...

[–]DemolitionMatter 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s not long ago at all

[–]g1455ofwater 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you have newer information feel free to post.

[–]shit-zen-giggles -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't meant to question the data. Just point out that it's not 'released just now'.

[–]63daddy 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve seen surveys that show most women aren’t feminist and surveys such as this claiming most are. Many surveys have a bias. Compare the following two questions for example:

  1. Feminism is about gender equality, anyone who believes in gender equality is a feminist. Are you a feminist?

  2. Feminism is an anti-male movement that has won many policies disadvantaging men. Feminism promotes a gender war. Are you a feminist?

I didn’t see anywhere in the PEW summary information specifically how they defined feminism, but I think it’s clearly a loaded survey. They ask many questions which clearly portray feminism positively and not a single question that addresses the anti-male nature of feminism. This not only biases what feminism is, but who’s likely to answer the survey. Similarly, I didn’t see how this survey was targeted, which could also have a huge bias on who answered and whether that accurately reflects the population at large.

[–]ABeeBox 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! Studies aren't always reliable, especially when something can become so subjective.

https://youtu.be/ahgjEjJkZks

Perfect clip to demonstrate what you're talking about.

[–]goinsouth85 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

These poll findings vary dramatically based on methodology and how the question is asked. For example - notice in this poll, only 19% said it described them “very well”, and 42% said it described them “somewhat well.” It’s not even clear what the third option was but it got twice as much support as “very well.”

Here’s a poll that shows the number at 29% when asked the question, yea or no

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/american-women-and-feminism

[–]Decent_Ear589[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That poll was from the year before and a bit of an outlier compared to others. Pew Research is more reputable for this kind of stuff, and the study is consistent with similar trends in other countries ie the UK, where polls show two-thirds of young women now identify as feminists https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/percentage-women-feminist-young-womens-trust-survey-a9208051.html.

[–]sgt_oddball_17 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

🎶 [We're] on the 🎶 highway to hell 🎶

[–]Efficient_Creme_3067 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I don’t believe this for a second. Hell, even i believe in “equality between the sexes”, but i absolutely despise Feminism. So i refuse to believe the two didn’t get mixed up, because equality and Feminism aren’t the same thing.

[–]Decent_Ear589[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

i refuse to believe the two didn’t get mixed up

Not only is it the case, but the trend is also seen in other countries like the UK, where 67% of young women now identify as feminists https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/percentage-women-feminist-young-womens-trust-survey-a9208051.html.

[–]Efficient_Creme_3067 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Man, now wold be the time to invest in cat related products. Gonna be an absolute fuck ton of childless women with cats.

[–]denisc9918 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yep, even Morgan Stanley? advised their clients that.

[–]Efficient_Creme_3067 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That is gut bustlingly funny if that actually true.

[–]denisc9918 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The question mark is cause I never seem to remember if it was Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley but true it is.

[–]B1G_Fan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this is the link that u/denisc9918 was referring to

https://www.morganstanley.com/ideas/womens-impact-on-the-economy

And it would be one thing if these women were becoming real-life "Rosie the Riveter". But, a lot of these women are becoming Karens in HR

[–]Decent_Ear589[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't know if this is related to feminism or not but 45% of all women are expected to be single and childless by 2030.

Of course, this will also then likely lead to growing rates of male depression, which are already bad and often tied to a lack of mating success.

[–]denisc9918 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

chk out, - the increase in women on anti-depressants - increasing number of 40ish women online bemoaning that they ever listened to feminism as they face a further 40ish yrs of cats and wine with no family nor any of the attention they took for granted.

Men can handle being on their own much better than women. Women suffer the most from feminism.

[–]Decent_Ear589[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

chk out, - the increase in women on anti-depressants - increasing number of 40ish women online bemoaning that they ever listened to feminism

Is there any kind of source or hard evidence for any of these, or do you mean these are just some things you've seen online?

Men can handle being on their own much better than women. Women suffer the most from feminism.

So what do you put the historic rates of men's depression and suicide down to?

[–]denisc9918 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

  • the increase in women on anti-depressants

There are plenty of articles pointing at the stats. Medical and govns are getting worried. They all hedge around stating definitive causes but almost all suggested causes are the result of feminism.

  • increasing number of 40ish women online bemoaning

I did say online, try googling "women regret feminism".

So what do you put the historic rates of men's depression and suicide down to?

  • Young Guys - False SA allegations ruining their lives with no way back.
  • Middle Aged - same as young guys plus divorce, losing their house and most of their stuff and their KIDS!
  • Older guys - no longer productive and more are realising that they were only ever valued for their production not as humans.

The lack of mating success or loneliness are not the main factors for male suicide, not by a long shot.

nb: This is all from memory, I last looked roughly 12ish mths ago.

[–]Decent_Ear589[S] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of articles pointing at the stats. Medical and govns are getting worried.

Can you submit one then?

try googling "women regret feminism".

That's not any kind of serious evidence though, or indicative of any kind of trend.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And in products aimed at immigrants too, as immigration will be ramped up to much higher levels to compensate for the children these women won’t be having. We can already see the results of feminism.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’ve head the opposite: that only 19% consider themselves as feminists in Britain. That too was commissioned by a pack of feminists.

The Independent is vying with The Guardian for the title of “Feminist Daily” so I do not doubt they’re going to post feminist propaganda uncritically. I think the question is why feminists would skew things one way or the other. I think it depends upon whether they’re trying to boast about their numbers to threaten politicians, or wanting to complain about the “lack of awareness” and how they need to propagandise more.

The 2019 figure seems to have the “pay gap” as the telling factor - which would explain why feminists have been pushing this one dramatically in recent years.

[–]Decent_Ear589[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve head the opposite: that only 19% consider themselves as feminists in Britain. That too was commissioned by a pack of feminists.

Can you post the link?

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s in the self same article you linked to: a 2016 survey, also commissioned by a feminist pressure group.

[–]_BlueShark87 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

6/10 men think feminism is empowering. Our society is ruined

[–]flowingwisdom13 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeap, this until they reach old age. As they grow old, the increasing weight of independence, decreasing smv and mmv sees the majority quietly renouncing feminism and shifting to traditional values, superficially at the very least. Now they are ready for a life long commitment and a life of codependency. A case of having your cake and eating it.

[–]Idnys 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know a few female friends like that. They have nothing to believe in or strive for so they picked up feminism as if it were a personality, screaming equality and fairness everywhere they go.

Yet they still do useless Arts degree or women studies, make shit wages and demand their boyfriends take care of finances and cook, while continue to spend money on revealing clothes to thirst trap on Instagram.

[–]ABeeBox -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thirst trap on Instagram.

Some go as far to call it a career, and call themselves independent business women.

Not really a career when the only value [visually attraction] starts to fade by 30. That's the opposite of a career. A career is a ladder, sex work is a hustle (and not the good kind) that is a landslide.

And then we have single 35 year old women with a kid or two telling men we shouldn't care about her 20+, 50+, 100+ bodycount and have nothing to bring to the table.

[–]g1455ofwater 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Perhaps the terminology for college needs to change from college educated to college indoctrinated.

[–]SweatyAdvance 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I suppose after the rise of Q-Anon I shouldn't be surprised anymore by the amount of gullible people that fall for hateful ideologies....but here we are.

[–]TheSnesLord 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also don't forget, women do not have to label themselves as "feminists" in order to have feminist ideology and agendas.

If you consider that aspect above, the percentage will be much higher.

[–]iainmf 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How to get the numbers up.

  1. Define feminism as something everyone can agree with
  2. Include the vague category 'somewhat well'
  3. Count the majority in the vague category as included in the decisive category.

I mean, if feminism is the belief in the equality of the sexes then the term feminist describes a lot of anti-feminists 'somewhat well'.

[–]HurryLocal982 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Real world, a lot of the women I meet are usually feminists. Even some men I meet say they are feminists

[–]AnonymouslyFlustered 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the slightly near future I will be watching the gradual Pussification of America from afar as I retire in the Philippines. Good luck to all my subjugated American male counterparts left behind.

[–]alpmaboi 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is OK that they identify themselves as Feminists. As long as they are not hating men.

[–]suj1290 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And 39% lied

[–]zoxzoxzo 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Brainwashed nation

[–]threwawaythedaytoday 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism itself is not inherently the problem. As a male born from a mother and having sisters I would LOVE equality for women.

However neo-feminism which is what modern day feminism has turned into, has been jacked by the alt... i dont even know if theyre right wing or ultra left anymore, where they (instead of female equality) want to actively cause INEQUALITY to men to FEEL better. A self centered ideology that is so "woke" and toxic that they froth at the fucking mouth when you dont follow it. last time i watched someone froth like that at the mouth and spit hate it was a documentary on hitler. and yes i am comparing apples to apples. ultra fascists which is what these neo-fems are, are not different from hitlers ideology of "i dont like this thus I will eradicate it".

theyre literally writing their own mein kampf as we speak.

[–]Nobleone11 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism itself is not inherently the problem. As a male born from a mother and having sisters I would LOVE equality for women.

You won't find it in Feminism.

However neo-feminism which is what modern day feminism

Feminism has always carried an intolerant, adversial approach to men.

Read The Declaration of Sentiments from Seneca Falls.

That speech predates the first women's movement in the early 1900s. Already declaring that men as a whole are the obstacle to women's emancipation.

ALL men. Not simply the One Percent at the top. Every man, including those at the bottom rung.

[–]Lower-Breakfast-2801 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dating market is dead

[–]johanis15 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So most women are misandrists, nothing new.

[–]Fantastic_Box3257 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Great ,this will lead to early revolution that would be no men interaction and work for these feminist, men won't make buildings in name of females ,no minal jobs for them like plumbing ,sewer cleaning

The jobs they don't want ,let them taste the consequences without it

Women want quotas sure ,they now should have obligation to be drafted in army to quota same as men

If they themselves screw up in army stating their efficiency then each country will have same ratio of quota mandate

[–]HurryLocal982 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thing is they don’t want any of the poor blue collar jobs or to be drafted. “Equality” they say

[–]Fantastic_Box3257 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Benefits yes, responsibilities no

[–]Decent_Ear5891 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you see any of this actually happening though? Because I don't.

[–]Fantastic_Box3257 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So do you see feminist stopping before getting us to the edge and forcing something out of us?

What else can be done other than this ,this is one of the most sober ways to deal with it,🙂It won't be good if times go to the way it was back then where there was an actual need to provide and protect

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

One thing i wonder about this is how many people are calling themselves feminists actually keep up with modern feminist thought and how many were told "Feminist means equality so i guess im a Feminist".

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminist means equality so i guess im a Feminist".

I am sure this is reason.I used to think like that

[–]LoomisKnows 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ew, it used to be like 12%

Oh nevermind, it's 61% believe in gender equality, they've just defined feminism as that.

[–]HurryLocal982 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lots of future cat moms on the way. Best time to start to invest in wine and cat litter

[–]the-lone-squid 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh, i miss the 90s when people could date and not care about politics

[–]Early-Department-234 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In Canada, it's probably higher, but Canada hides their misandry because they can't look bad to the world as a "neutral country".

[–]JCgamerX 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what does somewhat agree entail

[–]tiredfromlife2019 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its more accurate to say that Modern women are by and large feminist. They may say otherwise but when push comes to shove, they show that they have feminist beliefs.

And if its not that, its tradcon beliefs.

[–]PTSDforMe 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. It should be 100%

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