There is no “forced fatherhood” crisis

McFeely_Smackup · 2013-06-13T22:24:05+00:00

There is no such thing as forced fatherhood

and

I would love to live in a world in which no one is ever dragged kicking and screaming into parenthood. But that’s never going to happen

both from the same article. the irony amazes.

mazzyTuff · 2013-06-14T00:47:58+00:00

Did anyone else notice that most of her debating skills are.

"oh my gosh! When men want rights I laugh"

As though her own self amusement is enough to justify her own bigotted views

blueoak9 · 2013-06-13T21:40:31+00:00

The usual hypocritical femsplaining from her on a men's issue. She's got nothing to say.

And the usual hypocrisy in the comments - choices for women, tradcon platitudes for men. Nothing new.

Funcuz · 2013-06-14T01:36:19+00:00

Well , there's no crisis because the status quo has never been considered a crisis...has it ?

IHaveALargePenis · 2013-06-13T21:57:31+00:00

Amazing how the comments against men sound a lot like the comments from pro-lifers.

typhonblue · 2013-06-13T23:44:16+00:00

Single mothers are more likely to be poor because the entry fee into single fatherhood for a man is usually set at 10,000-25,000$.

Since men have to pay to enter the population of single parent, that will tend to skew the male part of that population towards men who can pay.

inc0gn3gr0 · 2013-06-14T02:34:07+00:00

I just see a blogger who is mad because her dad left. She doesn't recognize the financial burden that child support is. If there is no child support, there would be a shitload less people on this planet.

Oh a man can only dream of the day affordable male birth control comes into the world.

alter_ego_ · 2013-06-13T20:36:45+00:00

I'm begining to hate the Salon page pop-ups. Usually good information but damn.

2013-06-14T05:31:18+00:00

Life is messy. Women feel burdened. Men feel burdened. Where is the justice, they ask. It's the wrong question. A child is a responsibility that needs to be assumed. It's true plenty of men walk away from that. But so do women. And even when they don't, they have a habit of laying at men's feet the injustices they feel they've had to endure. There's no clear solution to the problem of unwanted children. But it's clear women have a choice whereas men have a responsibility.

toptrool · 2013-06-14T03:47:47+00:00

same author: so what if abortion ends life?

[abortion] saves lives not just in the most medically literal way, but in the roads that women who have choice then get to go down, in the possibilities for them and for their families. And I would put the life of a mother over the life of a fetus every single time — even if I still need to acknowledge my conviction that the fetus is indeed a life. A life worth sacrificing.

2013-06-14T02:13:22+00:00

It's like Salon was hacked by writers for the Onion. Jeez, no wonder I drink.

2013-06-14T04:47:45+00:00

She wrote a lot and it made her ego feel good, but she did not say a god damn thing. I can't believe stupidity gets published.

2013-06-14T09:40:14+00:00

This is stupid. First of all, the NYT article didn't claim there was a crisis, it just posed the question whether forcing a man to be a father was fair. So right out of the gate she stumbles and falls.

But this bit got my goat:

Like Shrage, I would love to live in a world in which no one is ever dragged kicking and screaming into parenthood. But that’s never going to happen.

It's never going to happen because fucktards like you keep misrepresenting the arguments!

She later on tries to make a connection between men having less choice, and apparent "rape culture" ... I don't see the connection between one person forcing another person into a sexual encounter... and men not being able to abdicate responsibility for a child that they do not want. There is no link whatsoever.

Then she goes on to make some spurious statements about her choosing to be a feminist because the women she grew up with were breadwinners and caregivers. So let me get this straight... she decided to become a feminist precisely because she saw strong women around her, and not because she saw any causes that she wanted to fight for - how does that work again?

The she pines for not having the experience of having a father around, which in effect is her using her emotional turmoil to justify forcing other people into situations they don't want to be in.

Not once does she mention any reasons for why her father left - maybe her mother was a mean spirited cunt, and broke him irretrievably? Maybe he found out that she wasn't even his? Who the hell knows. We're not told anything other than it was sad for her to grow up without a dad.

Loads of us have grown up without a parent, or even grown up with both parents who happened to be abusive. That's no reason to start castigating men for wanting a choice!

pcarvious · 2013-06-13T22:14:00+00:00

When I consider that in the U.S., single mothers “work more hours and yet have higher poverty rates” than their counterparts in other industrialized nations

Because you have no mandated paid parental leave and a 'socialism = bad' mentality. I saw plenty of that god-awful mindset when Obamacare was being drafted. I never can quite wrap my head around it.

sockit2U · 2013-06-14T05:01:00+00:00

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/13/fine-would-be-deadbeat-dads-heres-a-suggestion-for-you/

What do you think?

Rattatoskk · 2013-06-14T06:29:05+00:00

Ugh.. She spent so much time pining after her lost dad, that I nearly passed out. I can't read such boring, self centered drivel while I'm at work.

I'll have to try reading this article again, when I can handle the boring tsunami of self pity.

So far, all I've gotten was "Forced parenthood doesn't exist, because my father, who lived in a different time didn't bother raising me. Also, feelings."

ZZZZzzzZZZzzzZZzzzz....

2013-06-14T13:11:23+00:00

Anyone else notice that none of our resident feminists will touch topics like this?

They are mentally incapable of criticizing other feminists.

OuiCrudites · 2013-06-14T14:19:14+00:00

When I talk about men's rights in public, nothing gets people more angry than talking about male reproductive rights.

Even talking about false rape accusations is less controversial in my experience.

dfedhli · 2013-06-14T15:20:31+00:00

As Mel Feit of the National Center for Men told Salon at the time, “When a man and woman have discussed what they want and have an agreement, I do not think she has a right to impose her change of mind.” Or as Shrage puts it, “We need to respect men’s reproductive autonomy.” Which sounds like a great idea and sure seems “fair,” until you factor in stuff like biology, economics and reality.

I was very disappointed that the rest of the article was basically about her personal life. This point was never backed up, and IMO it was her central point. What sort of biology, economics, and reality would allow a woman to impose a change of heart from a previous agreement? Please tell us, Ms. Williams.

Title	There is no “forced fatherhood” crisis
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Date	June 13, 2013 8:21 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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