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I'm a feminist and I don't want to work anymore | A misandrist thinks it's very unfair that her income is reduced simply because she's chosen to stay at home with her child instead of going back to work.

EricAllonde

May 30, 2018
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Title I'm a feminist and I don't want to work anymore | A misandrist thinks it's very unfair that her income is reduced simply because she's chosen to stay at home with her child instead of going back to work.
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Date May 30, 2018 1:52 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]EricAllonde[S] 97 points98 points99 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Note: this entitled feminist brat is Polly Dunning, who previously wrote of her disappointment at realising she was pregnant with a boy and even said:

I've always been a feminist... when the sonographer pointed out my son's dangly bits in our 19-week scan, it was clear that I was going to raise a son... There were dark moments in the middle of the night (when all those dark thoughts come), when I felt sick at the thought of something male growing inside me.

[The newspaper obviously realised how bad that sounded and they later edited the article to remove the crazy: https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/having-a-son-has-gone-from-being-a-dilemma-to-teaching-me-the-most-valuable-lesson-of-my-life-20161220-gtex2e.html]

Poor kid is off to a very bad start in life with that nutjob as his mother.

Dunning's mother is loony extreme-left feminist Jane Caro. Clearly both misandry and insanity run in the family.

Anyway, Dunning is back this time to complain about the fact that when she chooses not to work...she doesn't get paid!

Such oppression!

Now, I’m mostly cool with the mum part [...] but the extraordinary cost is a problem that we have been talking about for decades. The staggering difference between the superannuation balances of retiring men and women is appalling. Women over 50 are the fastest growing group of the homeless. But most of the solutions offered up involve women returning to paid employment as soon as possible, as many hours as possible. And those of us who choose not to are almost victim-blamed (you know the consequences of staying home, so it’s your own fault).

So, when I say I don’t want to work anymore, I mean I don’t want to work full time in paid employment, but I still want to work – and work hard – at raising my children.

And I shouldn’t be penalised for that.

Classic feminism: "Women should be insulated from the consequences of their decisions, otherwise it's misogyny! The fact that we choose not to work shouldn't reduce our income at all - that would go against the equality of outcome which is feminism's most cherished ideal. So shut up and give us money now, you useless, rapist, monster, violent men!"

[–]fengpi 55 points56 points57 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

While we're at it, why can't I get paid for doing my hobbies? That's work. And it's valuable, too. The world needs more of my little ships in bottles and my handmade wind chimes.

And why can't I get paid for the time I spend driving my car? And for the time I spend on the toilet? That's work! I take some mighty big corn-filled shits, yo.

And how about the time I spend sleeping? Where's my paycheck for that?

[–]25511367325325869452 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I spent years making very elaborate minecraft builds and it took me years of everyday playing to get to that point. I could totally ask for money too then. I mean my builds and creations probably made a few people happy.

But you know why i wasn't paid? Because too many people see minecraft as a game, not a job! Therefore it's very easy to find people who would gladly work/play minecraft for you.

This is the same with child rearing. Women gladly have kids but then they expect to be paid as if it's something they didn't really want to do.

[–]fengpi 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They get paid in love. Can't put a price on that.

[–]mwobuddy 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She literally wants to be given an allowance to stay at home.

This is the definition of a C H I L D.

[–]goober_boobz 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She wants to be a housewife but that word is too misogynistic to say out loud.

[–]thrway_1000 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Archive -- http://archive.is/9qpZX

Gotta feel sorry for the poor kid if this is his mom.

Edit: Changed to the original before they took her misandry out.

[–]imexplauren 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good god.... His name is ALF?

[–]AnotherDAM 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds as if she is laying a "rational" framework before advocating directly for Universal Basic Income (a.k.a. Socialist Wealth Redistribution)

[–]MrBardto 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I especially like the part about the homeless women. While it's true what's she says, she doesn't talk about the numbers. Most of the homeless are men, a small percentage is women.

[–]Uzrathixius 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There were dark moments in the middle of the night (when all those dark thoughts come), when I felt sick at the thought of something male growing inside me.

That should be enough to get cps involved.

[–]PreInfinityTV1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

“dangly bits” why tf do feminists always have to be so condescending towards male anatomy

[–]Maschalismos 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they are frightened by it...

[–]fengpi 50 points51 points52 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

I don’t want to work anymore!

Whoa there sport- what about showing the boys who's boss? What about girl power and not being one of those (gasp!) subservient stay at home moms the Sisterhood has spent decades sneering at?

That act is no longer convenient, is it? Too difficult to keep on conquering that boy's club, huh? It's a good thing that your good-for-nothing hubby is suddenly good for something! Yes, he's there to manfully soldier-on as normal, being a good workhorse who'll keep his nose pressed to that grindstone and bring home that bacon so that you can sit on the couch and be comfortable with your little bundle of joy choice. Which has been oppressive up until now.

But you're weary, pookie. You're yawny-wawny, snookums. Rest that brilliant girl-head of yours so you can save-up enough energy to figure out a way to make society bend around reality so that you can become a part time CEO from your home office. Perhaps by shaming society into compliance. That's worked great on hubby up until now, so why not?

[–]no_condoments 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Working sucks. Very few people actually want to work.

[–]fengpi 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well the feminists tell me that I "work for fulfillment" in the "boy's club" where I "acquire power" and yuk it up with martinis and scotch while pinching the secretaries' bottoms and watching the money grow on the potted shrubs.

[–]Lethn 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's called not being in a job you enjoy and having no purpose in life, I really enjoy my work even though it's hard. I just hope I'll get paid for it when I'm finally done with my project lol.

[–]no_condoments 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

not being in a job you enjoy

having no purpose in life

Those are two totally different things. Many people derive purpose in life from something different from how they pay their bills.

[–]wulf-focker 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly. If it were possible, I'd travel the world and not work a single day in my life any more. This workhorse mentality of guys needing to work till they drop dead has to stop.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the idea that this whole shift business is a load of crap, the 9 to 5 mentality is extremely unhealthy and even if you really enjoy your job you can and will kill yourself working those kinds of hours for real. If people are honest though, most of the time they won't work those hours genuinely which is why they can do it. They take breaks and things like that but they're getting paid hourly so they can afford to.

[–]25511367325325869452 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most people do not enjoy work.

I have many things i love doing, none of them pay.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I wanted to do it, they wouldn’t have to pay me.

[–]tenchineuro 36 points37 points38 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never worked harder in my life and never made a bigger contribution ( in fact, the Australian Bureau of Statistics found in 2014 that unpaid work is this country is worth $434 billion).

Since this 'unpaid labor' is doing things for yourself, feel free to pay yourself. It's zero sum though.

[–]RapeMatters 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

We could easily rectify this by determining that doing things for yourself (IE, repairs, housecleaning, etc) are imputed income and subject to taxation. It would fix the wage gap metric and also help bolster our social security system.

[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We could easily rectify this by determining that doing things for yourself (IE, repairs, housecleaning, etc) are imputed income and subject to taxation.

Not sure I understand, but everywhere I've seen the concept of 'imputed income', it's been a way to steal more by taxing non-existent income. For example, years ago it was suggested that any unused rooms in a house have rental value and that this should be considered as income whether the rooms were rented or not.

It would fix the wage gap metric and also help bolster our social security system.

Since all SS taxes go straight into the general fund and get spent immediately, I just don't see how this would work.

[–]RapeMatters 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Not sure I understand, but everywhere I've seen the concept of 'imputed income', it's been a way to steal more by taxing non-existent income.

Well, not exactly. If, for instance, I do a personal budget analysis of a heating and air tech, and in return he services my HVAC system, we both have imputed income as a result (me the value of the services he provided, him the value of the services I provided).

This is because it's the same as exchanging checks, which would have been income to both of us.

In this case, I'm using it to mean the value of services provided to one's self, because if you paid a maid to clean, for example, the maid would have to report that as income. So you're just hiring yourself as a maid.

It'd be impossible to enforce and entirely unworkable but it would be entertaining to make the argument against those who push the 77% wage gap thing.

Since all SS taxes go straight into the general fund and get spent immediately, I just don't see how this would work.

Not... quite. Rather the general fund repeatedly borrows from the SS trust fund (thanks Congress), so the SS trust fund has an accounts receivable from the general fund.

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is because it's the same as exchanging checks, which would have been income to both of us.

Barter is exchanging goods and services, not money. You may impute a value to that transaction, but since no money changes hands, there is no clear connection between said imputed value and reality.

In this case, I'm using it to mean the value of services provided to one's self, because if you paid a maid to clean, for example, the maid would have to report that as income. So you're just hiring yourself as a maid.

I see where you're coming from, but if you take $100 from your left pocket to pay your right pocket, nothing has changed. Anyway, housewives are heavily subsidized, by their husbands salary, and by the state if necessary (and often when not), by CS and until recently, lifelong alimony most places. So there is a net exchange of money and value. Unfortunately men's work does not seem to count.

Not... quite. Rather the general fund repeatedly borrows from the SS trust fund (thanks Congress), so the SS trust fund has an accounts receivable from the general fund.

OK, but the details don't affect the result. There is no SS trust fund, what exists is IOUs in the form of government bonds, the vast majority of which is held by American citizens through chicanery like this, meaning that we get to pay twice for any SS funds we receive, plus interest.

[–]RapeMatters 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Barter is exchanging goods and services, not money. You may impute a value to that transaction, but since no money changes hands, there is no clear connection between said imputed value and reality.

Eh, that's not strictly true. You can look at similar transactions, and for people who are both in business (like both of us) there's lots of comparative transactions of similar value and worth to look at when imputing value.

This is actually very specifically codified in the IRC.

Anyway, housewives are heavily subsidized, by their husbands salary, and by the state if necessary (and often when not), by CS and until recently, lifelong alimony most places. So there is a net exchange of money and value. Unfortunately men's work does not seem to count.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

I see where you're coming from, but if you take $100 from your left pocket to pay your right pocket, nothing has changed.

Not... really. the UK is not the US of course, but in the US, if I pay $100 to a maid (and to keep this simple she uses materials provided by me), the maid will pay about $14 in social security and medicare tax, $10-12 in income tax, and gets to pocket $74-76, with $24-26 going to the state.

So if you impute this income, something has changed, very specifically.

OK, but the details don't affect the result.

Actually they do. Do you know that I have no cash? I have an IOU from the bank that says they owe me <my checking account balance> and an IOU from an investment firm that they owe me <my investment firm cash balance>.

Whenever I make money and it's direct deposited in my bank, I still have no cash. I have an IOU from the bank.

meaning that we get to pay twice for any SS funds we receive, plus interest.

That doesn't really make sense in the context of finance.

[–]tenchineuro -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

This is actually very specifically codified in the IRC.

According to these guys...

https://www.accountantforums.com/threads/is-barter-taxable.44766/

They say the word barter is used only once in the IRC.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

By your claims, a working husband and housewife (or vice versa) are both bartering for and with services and goods, which would make it taxable income for both. Up till now, the IRS does not seem to think so.

Whenever I make money and it's direct deposited in my bank, I still have no cash. I have an IOU from the bank.

Cash is just an IOU from the federal govt. There is a long history of notes becoming worthless when the bank that issues them fails. Not sure where you are going with this.

That doesn't really make sense in the context of finance.

That's odd, I learned this from some accountants on a show. It works something like this.

  1. You pay SS
  2. The government immediately spends the money, whatever is not paid out to recipiants is used to buy govt bonds (into the general fund at this point).
  3. When the bonds mature, they are paid for by taxes (your second payment) or by more govt debt. The bonds pay interest.
  4. Note that there is none of the original money left, if you are going to get paid when you retire there had better still be more people paying in than are drawing out, or they will have to raise SS rates again.

[–]RapeMatters 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It works something like this.

Yeah, step 2 is where the problem lies. Either your social security tax went to pay social security benefits, in which case you are not paying them a second time, or they went to fund something else, or you didn't pay them the first time.

Imagine a personal finance situation:

1) You have some money earmarked for a car repair. 2) You spend it on the car repair. 3) The car repair is now paid, so you don't have to pay it again.

Or,

1) You have some money earmarked for the car repair. 2) Your partner spends it on the electric instead. 3) You have to raise money for the car repair again, except this isn't the second time you're paying for the car repair, because you didn't pay for it the first time.

Your step 4 is correct - current workers pay for the beneficiaries. That doesn't mean you are paying twice - it means the money you pay in goes to other beneficiaries (or, as you rightly noted, is borrowed for the general fund), and when you draw that benefit is paid for by other workers.

Cash is just an IOU from the federal govt. There is a long history of notes becoming worthless when the bank that issues them fails. Not sure where you are going with this.

Saying the SS trust fund is cash broke because it's full of IOUs is like saying Bill Gates is cash broke because all he has is IOUs from various banks and financial institutions and no cash in his pockets.

[–]25511367325325869452 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

> No, the relationship of mother to child is not a job, but the act of caring for children all day and night certainly is.

Cool, then pay yourself money.

Why does she think she is entitled to money? She gave birth because she wanted to, not because the husband paid her to do it. Or at least i assume that's true..

> The way we value the work of raising children needs to change.

This is one thing capitalism does right, leave it. Your value is determined by the market.

> It’s why your husband thinks you should get up to the baby in the middle of the night because he "has to work" in the morning

You're the one who choose to be the childcarer. It's your job, you do it. It'd be like your husband asking you to go to work for him in the evening while you still take care of kids during the day.

> So, when I say I don’t want to work anymore, I mean I don’t want to work full time in paid employment, but I still want to work – and work hard – at raising my children.

Yeah and i want to play video games, now pay me.

>And I shouldn’t be penalised for that.

That's up to the market to decide.

[–]fengpi 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

the husband paid her to do it. Or at least i assume that's true..

I usually assume that the husband is paying to access her cooter. If not with cash, through payment in kind.

If a woman is staying at a home that her husband pays for and keeps lit and heated, then she is being paid in kind. But that's not enough, she demands that additional cash come from somewhere, doesn't matter where, to compensate her for her brilliant work of pushing-out an infant. Which is something a cow can also do, except the cow can go stand in the field again within hours.

I'm not very sensitive, I know. I guess it has something to do with the assumption that a feminist's hubby will continue soldiering-on, paying all the bills like some kind of human machine, while Miss Feminist herself self-actualizes at the deep tissue massage therapist with banana-blueberry smoothie in hand, complaining about how the masseuse really ought to be paying her for all the trouble it took to drive to the place.

[–]skepticalbob 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m in no way defending this nitwit, but not all value is market based, nor can it be. Many things we value the most cannot be commoditized. And ever here of market failures? They are real.

[–]Mallago 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Feminists often mistake female privilege for what equality should be.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how many years she spent at university? But now she doesn't want to work. So male taxpayers who were denied a place at university because of her are now expected to work to pay for her education as well as her wanting to stay at home. Feminism has just become creepy excuse for narcissism.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Free money from the tax payers.

[–]kartu3 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In what world is her income reduced, given she has a husband who works his ass off?

[–]Mode1961 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bill Burr said it best "Any job you can do in your bathrobe is not the hardest job in the world".

[–]thrway_1000 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists are really some of the worst people.

Archive -- https://web.archive.org/web/20180529170344/https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/i-m-a-feminist-and-i-don-t-want-to-work-anymore-20180528-p4zhyw.html

[–]Lupinfujiko 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So, when I say I don’t want to work anymore, I mean I don’t want to work full time in paid employment, but I still want to work – and work hard – at raising my children.

And I shouldn’t be penalised for that.

I want to eat ice cream all day, and not get fat.

Or, if I do get fat, I don't want to be shamed for it. I shouldn't be penalized for wanting to eat ice cream all day.

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And I wanna do skydiving sans parachute! Society therefore needs to make the ground softer and gravity less of a downer. You owe me, society! Big time!

[–]Wylanderuk 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But you are being paid you stupid fucking bint, that payment is the roof over your head, the food you eating and the clothes you are wearing...

[–]Mode1961 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and in the event of a divorce, you get half of everything PLUS (in some areas) a paycheque for life or until you find some other sucker to take care of you.

[–]Bikertron10 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

...suggests that staying home with small children isn’t work

Staying home with small children isn’t work

It's a responsibility, sure, a burden if you're so inclined. You're not contributing anything to society but two more mouths to feed. No-one owes you a thing for it.

[–]skepticalbob -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Kids are literally the future of society and the economy. They aren’t just mouths to feed.

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They should get jobs, then! Lazy diaper-wearers. /s obv

[–]marcooni1 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In Estonia you get the same pay from government what you had in last 6 months till your kid will be 1,5 years old.

[–]Male_Positive 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminists claim that raising children is a burden, but withhold that opportunity from men. Most parents say that raising children is the most rewarding work that anyone can do.

[–]fengpi 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s a huge burden and such gosh darn degrading work but, post divorce, they fight tooth and nail for sole custody of the ‘burdensome’ kids and oppose joint custody rather than foist it off on the ‘lazy’ husband as a revenge. That’s how you know it’s a goddamned hustle.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh superannuation (401k) agitation, why didn't you say so.

It’s why your husband thinks you should get up to the baby in the middle of the night because he "has to work" in the morning.

Yeah but who gets a morning and afternoon nap?

It’s why he has after-work drinks to "wind down".

Instead of being able to drink all day long?

And it’s why people’s eyes glaze over at a party when you tell them what you do.

Obviously they should be saying "wow you managed to find a husband?".

I'm still amazed any men get married anymore and risk it all. Marriage was always an arrangement for the benefit of women and society....and men did it out of social responsibility and pressure not because they wanted to. If you had a choice...

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but who gets a morning and afternoon nap?

Shh!

Instead of being able to drink all day long?

Double shh! Mommy needs her morning boxed wine and her noontime highballs and her afternoon chasers!

[–]Electroverted 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like Wong's girl humor, so I watched her latest on Netflix. I turned it off after 20 minutes because it was all about moms and babies.

[–]perplexedm 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women like this should not have children, CPS should monitor them closely.

[–]Revoran 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Edit for foreigners:

  • Superannuation is a savings account you can't access until you retire, similar to a 401k.
  • Sydney Morning Herald is an Aussie newspaper, generally considered centre-left.

Women over 50 are the fastest growing group of the homeless.

Going to need a citation on that one. Even if it's true though, the vast majority of homeless in Australia are still men. And even if it's true, what do you want to do about it? Aged pensioners already get waaaay more money than jobseekers and students.

Is there some effort specifically for elderly homeless that we should support?

Michael Rice, CEO of Rice Warner, makes the case for joint superannuation accounts and suggests that this is a logical way of avoiding one partner having significantly more super in retirement simply because they contributed to the family by being in paid employment while their partner contributed by doing the lion’s share of the unpaid work.

But we already have divorce settlements and alimony payments for this. If you split up with your working partner, you are entitled to half of the money/assets they gained during the marriage (or defacto relationship). And if you get primary custody of the dependent kids, then you can get child support as well (albeit sometimes it can be hard to actually get people to pay up).

So, when I say I don’t want to work anymore, I mean I don’t want to work full time in paid employment, but I still want to work – and work hard – at raising my children.

But raising children generally isn't as hard as most jobs. The hardest part about it is that, even after they go to school/daycare, you are still "on call" 24/7. Source: I am a dad, have been stay-at-home before.

And I shouldn't be punished

If wishes were horses...

Sometimes you just have to make a choice. You can't be a stay-at-home parent and expect the same sort of income and super as a fully working person. I mean, you can expect it, but you won't get it.

[–]Triskerai 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's really so ironic that third wave feminism is actively trying to remove all responsibility from women, which is what the first two waves fought for. There was a time where women fought for their right to vote and to work meaningful jobs with hope of advancement on their own merit. Now they're looking for the right not to work and still make money, all thanks to an extra X chromosome.

[+]Blahblag1236 -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Although she's a feminist I don't think she's really talking about radical feminism here:

'the kids being away from a primary carer for all but a couple of hours a day, five days a week, is not what’s right for our family. Flexible work helps a lot, part-time roles helps everyone, particularly when both mum and dad work part time, and affordable childcare is extremely important, for both employment access and children’s development.'

This is about treating the stay at home parent fairly in retirement. One way to combat this is mum and dad doing part time paid work and equal childcare. It doesn't matter the sex of the stay at home parent it should be a joint decision to have one parent stay at home and that decision should be respected and the stay at home parent shouldn't lose out in retirement. The problem is the assumption that only women would stay at home and therefore benefit. In the UK women can share their year long maternity leave with their partners and more and more men are keen to split this leave and it's giving families more freedom to decide what is right for them so it's not necessarily a given that the woman will want to give up their careers to ensure childcare is provided by a primary parent. I'm not condoning what the journalist has said in the past but I don't think this article is anti mens rights.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is about treating the stay at home parent fairly in retirement.

Let's see. How do we treat the leech fairly in retirement. They are dependent on what money their husband earned, if he's willing to share.

That's fairly.

If she wants money guaranteed to her, then she can work to earn it. If she doesn't want to work to earn it, then she can accept that she doesn't have any money she has a right to.

[–]fengpi 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Enough of your unhelpful logic! You should apply your mighty mind towards solving the biggest question of our age: how a mom can get even more freebies without doing anything at all except exist with her kid handy to serve as a pawn or bargaining chip.

In fact, why should a woman even need to have a kid if she wants to enjoy maternity leave? As a woman, she deserves only the best of everything 24/7.

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