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UK: Woman who made a series of unfounded sex abuse allegations about her ex-partner is now barred from seeing her four-year-old daughter

furchfur

January 1, 2018
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/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5226127/Woman-accused-ex-abuse-barred-seeing-daughter.html
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Title UK: Woman who made a series of unfounded sex abuse allegations about her ex-partner is now barred from seeing her four-year-old daughter
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furchfur

Upvotes 3671
Comments 98
Date January 1, 2018 1:20 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]mrwhibbley 444 points445 points446 points 8 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

False accusations of child abuse or sexual abuse should immediately result in loss of custody. You show you are so spiteful and immoral then you are not fit to parent.

[–]Sawses 199 points200 points201 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

It basically means you're willing to use a child as a tool. If that can be demonstrated in a court of law, you definitely shouldn't have custody.

[–]thwml 103 points104 points105 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

It basically means you're willing to use a child as a tool.

Sounds like my friend's ex-wife. And my brother's ex-fiance. And a great deal of women during divorce proceedings to be honest.

[–]DarthCerebroX 54 points55 points56 points 8 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

70% of all allegations of abuse in divorce/custody battles are “unfounded” or “false”, after investigations. Gimme a min and I’ll try to find the source.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8578086

While meant to act as a safety mechanism in cases where domestic violence is present, the ease of obtaining an order of protection and the instant benefits it provides the alleging party has created a system ripe for abuse. In fact, up to 70 percent of cases involving allegations of abuse during custody disputes are deemed unnecessary or false.

Clearly, protection orders that are meant to offer protection for those in serious situations are now being used as a weapon to turn the tide in divorce; a weapon that overwhelming targets men.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

haha even huffcompost admits it

[–]thwml 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

huffcompost

Underrated insult.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It took me a minute but that's clever

[–]DarthCerebroX 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol yeah, I picked that article so all the deniers out there couldn’t just “dismiss the source”..

[–]i-like-tea 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait, I am confused. I thought HuffPo was generally regarded as a bad source for information?

[–]DarthCerebroX 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

HuffPro has a very strong pro-feminism, pep-social Justice bias... So, I picked an article from a source that ((they)) like, so they don’t just immediately try to write it off.

[–]Capgunkid 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom used me and made me think my dad didn't want me. Fucked up our relationship to this day.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's almost as if women aren't inherently virtuous and infallible just because they are women...

[–]the_unseen_one 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My mom was and is hardly mom of the year, but I have to give her mad props on how hard she tried to make my dad be a part of my life. She could have easily have poisoned me against him and ensured that I never saw him, but instead she busted her ass to try to include him. I always thought that was the norm until I got into men's rights and realized that most women can and will use their kids to punish the ex husband.

[–]CountVonVague 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My mother has never in my living memory said a single positive thing about my dad and takes any opportunity to trash him, but then again i don't remember much from before their divorce.

[–]the_unseen_one 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn. I think that's often the norm. I was a very angry child and it would have been comically easy for my mom to turn me against my dad, but she tried very hard for me to feel empathy for him and remind me that he does love me, he's just mentally damaged from all the drugs he did. I am really thankful to her for that. I don't have a relationship with him, but that kind of baseless hate isn't healthy. I'm sorry she did that to you.

[–]TheGreenLoki 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds exactly like my ex girlfriend's sister.

[–]mymarkis666 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just that, these kinds of accusations demand intimate examinations of the child, which the judge herself in this case likened to sexual abuse since it was completely unnecessary.

[–]mrwhibbley 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree

[–]chadwickofwv 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not as a tool, as a weapon.

[–]Arrow218 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, had some family friends got divorced and she went nuclear and painted the poor nice dude as this scary abusive asshole and got to take his money and kids (except the 18 year old who was allowed to stay with his dad luckily) to never be seen again. Really made me lose all respect for the mother.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Never be seen again? She can't just go off the radar. Taxes and such

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She can't completely disappear, but she can make sure he never sees the kids again.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Through the courts I assume

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if the courts order visitation, few men have the resources to fight for it to be enforced. Especially if, like is often the case, the men are paying for the lawyers on both sides of the case.

[–]leoberto 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

very sad

[–]AilerAiref 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

False accusations involving a child can create false memories. There isn't much difference between an adult who has life long mental problems due to sexual abuse when they were a child and an adult who had life long mental problems due to false memories of sexual abuse when they were a child.

Punishment for creating false memories should be similar to the real thing since the harm is similar.

[–]jayhalk1 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jail too

[–]AFuckYou 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, if they are proven to be malicious in nature. If my kid comes home grabbing their privates saying weird shit you better bet I'm calling CPS. Maybe nothing happened, maybe watched a word family Guy epsoide. But I'm letting cps get to the bottom of the issue.

[–]furchfur[S] 115 points116 points117 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully 2018 will see a change and a much firmer position taken against partners who frustrate contact with children after a separation. False allegations should also always be prosecuted.

[–]Shippoyasha 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

False allegations should be an automatic legally actionable felony count. False allegations aren't just merely playing politics with someone. It's actively trying to ruin someone's life, and it often succeeds in ruining people. The consequences should be equally severe.

[–]IHearBedPeople 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m not disagreeing but why should they be equally severe? In most civil courts they penalize for someone bringing frivolous lawsuits. I would suggest that of you falsely accuse someone of a crime that has a maximum sentence of “x” years and a fine of “y” plus court cost that should be the minimum sentence.

I’m not talking about cases where there just isn’t enough evidence to prosecute (even though the standard is so low due to the fact that the accuser is assumed to be “the victim who is telling the truth and should be handled with kid gloves”).

I’m talking about the multiple cases where it has been “proven” that she has lied (strange concept where men have to prove they are innocent of a crime).

They walk away with their names not released, are not on sexual offender lists (isn’t a person who falsely accuses a person of a sexual crime a sexual offender?), and the guy is just happy he gets out of prison and can resume what small portion of his life that still exists.

[–]zjl539 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You seem optimistic

[–]furchfur[S] 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I think that society has to change or men will reject family life completely. It is very bad for fathers and men and unless it improves there is no future for western society.

[–]the_unseen_one 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

men will reject family life completely

It's already happening, and is spreading. I always wanted a nice family but after being fucked over by a few women and seeing how blatantly anti-male the law is, I'm not going to bother anymore. What's the point in busting your ass for a wife and kids when she can steal the money, house, and kids with the state's blessing? And you'll have to pay her for the privilege? Fuck that.

[–]CountVonVague 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

society has to change

And it's only going to change when WOMEN want it to, since it's been clearly established that men have nearly no social influence in the face of women's social dominance.

[–]the_unseen_one 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

men will reject family life completely

It's already happening, and is spreading. I always wanted a nice family but after being fucked over by a few women and seeing how blatantly anti-male the law is, I'm not going to bother anymore. What's the point in busting your ass for a wife and kids when she can steal the money, house, and kids with the state's blessing? And you'll have to pay her for the privilege? Fuck that.

[–]itgscv1 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Big reason many are going mgtow, most just have never actually heard or read that particular term before

[–]zjl539 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. I agree 100%, but it doesn’t happen overnight

[–]ProfessorShitDick 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Something like this never does. Change will happen, it just might take a generation or two.

[–]Original_Dankster 92 points93 points94 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Now he should get child support payments from her, right? Since he has sole custody?

[–]iHoldTheDoor41 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

My husband got sole custody years ago. When the mom wanted child support from him all she had to do was go and fill out the forms. He received notice of the intent and amount and had to pay. He went to the CSEA to stop payments because he was still having his checks garnished after having his daughter full time for about 6 months, court had already ordered it to stop. They told him he'd have to fill out forms, take her to court etc etc. She owes a few grand from that time and refuses to pay it back. Courts sent a letter detailing the amount and a court date. If he didn't show then she didn't have to pay. He couldn't get a new court date or the time off work so he didn't go. Of course when he owed back child support the courts didn't give him a date they just took it from his checks or income tax.

[–]CountVonVague 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course when he owed back child support the courts didn't give him a date they just took it from his checks or income tax.

They didn't take his drivers licence away?

[–]furchfur[S] 53 points54 points55 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That would be the legal position but he might as well "p*** in the sand".

[–]the_unseen_one 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, women don't have to pay child support, men do that.

[–]thelioness0809 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you still have to pay child support if you don’t have the right to see the child?

[–]furchfur[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes otherwise someone may intentionally assault the child to avoid paying child support.

[–]thelioness0809 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh good point. People are awful. :(

[–]LotsOfButtons 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

'She indicated that a nanny had helped care for the girl and that the woman had a link to Israel.'

The fuck has that got to do with anything?

[–]Arrow218 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"My ex is letting those dirty Jews around our kids!"

[–]the_unseen_one 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a subtle showing of "with jews, you lose".

[–]GallopingZodiac20 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

the woman had a link to Israel

That's an interesting euphemism for "the woman was Jewish".

[–]DarthCerebroX 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It wasn’t even the mother either... It was the nanny. That part seemed so weird to me.... It just randomly said “The mother hired a nanny to help take care of the child after the divorce. The woman had ties to Israel.” ... wtf? Lol then nothing else about her after that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's in the Daily Fail.

[–]iTzinmyblood 81 points82 points83 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

"A High Court judge made the ruling after she concluded that the woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had caused 'significant harm' to the little girl."

Of course they can't lol. You know damn right that reverse the gender and they would have a name and photo of the guy so his future is smeared.

[–]AlphaNathan 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

What is the legal reason?

[–]gorjusgeorgus 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Sexual Offences Act 1992:

Section 1:

(1)Where an allegation has been made that an offence to which this Act applies has been committed against a person, neither the name nor address, and no still or moving picture, of that person shall during that person’s lifetime—

(a)be published in England and Wales in a written publication available to the public; or

(b)be included in a relevant programme for reception in England and Wales,if it is likely to lead members of the public to identify that person as the person against whom the offence is alleged to have been committed.

[–]ColonelVirus 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Jesus... this act clearly isn't enforced for men...

[–]gorjusgeorgus -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you got any articles for reference?

[–]ColonelVirus 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Google UK rape, you'll find a lot of mens names being reported in our tabloids. Been quite a few in last year being reported on, even notable ones like the footballer Ched Evans who was found not guilty in a retrial.

[–]gorjusgeorgus 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But in that case he would have been the accused, I assume ? The law only protects the accuser from identification.

[–]ColonelVirus 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, realised I omitted the word "committed" in my read. I'm a moron.

Ignore me, happy 2018!

[–]Str8OuttaTheBoneZone 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, the only protection men have is when they're minors, and not even then sometimes. So many absurd double standards.

[–]gorjusgeorgus 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because she's made an allegation of rape, it has nought to do with gender.

If a man made the same false allegation, they would be unable to report his identity too.

People who make Sexual Assault allegations have guaranteed lifetime anonymity in the UK.

[–]Karma9999 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In this case you identify the mother, you identify the daughter.. it's to protect the girl. In other cases against men if you are able to identify the children from naming the father then they will order papers to keep it quiet.
Of course, there's no guarantee the papers will go along with it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because naming her identifies the child. They are protecting the child, not the mother.

[–]chaun2 48 points49 points50 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

The woman who cannot be named for legal reasons

WTF she's found guilty, punished, and still cannot be named?!?!?! Why the fuck are we naming and shaming accused sex offenders that haven't been convicted? I realize her crime isn't the same level, but if we can keep her anonymous, why the hell can't we keep some privacy until after someone has been convicted?

[+]digital0verdose 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

"I realize her crime isn't the same level..."

[–]chaun2 -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

False accusations aren't the same level as sexual assault. Just like libel isn't the same as assault

Edit: legally speaking. I'm not trying to fix the societal impact. I'd rather head that off at the pass by giving the accused some levels of privacy, since this case, and many other cases, afforded privacy to the covicted crminal

[–]the_unseen_one 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, they absolutely are. I have been raped, and I can say for a fact that facing not only prison time, but the loss of your child and the stigma of "child abuser" is much worse than rape. Rape is bad, yeah, but it's not life ruining, nor does it take your children. So much hyperbole when it comes to rape.

[–]chaun2 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I've actually been raped as well. I wasn't speaking from a societal impact. That is currently all kinds of fucked up. I was speaking from a legal standpoint. There is a reason, depending on the state/commonwealth you are in, that there can be up to 6 "levels" of assault. From a legal standpoint it makes no sense whatsoever that she can be indemnified with anonymity, yet people who have not been convicted have no protections whatsoever.

Far as the court of public opinion is concerned, yeah they have everything fucked up. It is ridiculous that men singularly get their lives destroyed for exactly the same crime that a woman can commit, and the women almost never get named. I am not interested in trying to fix the court of public opinion, I want to get the justice system to be an actual justice system. I want them to take my police report when some girl decides to rape me, and not laugh I'm my face, refuse to take the report, and threaten to charge me with assault for forcing her out of my dorm room, had I been an adult.

[+]digital0verdose 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

How much jail time did she get?

[–]chaun2 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

None. She wasn't even questioned. They cops laughed at me, refused to take the report, and threatened me with assault charges, if I had not been a minor at the time

[+]digital0verdose 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why would they threaten you with assault if you were the one who was reporting her? That doesn't make sense.

[–]chaun2 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because, it happened after a frat party. I went to my dorm room and passed out, only to find this person I'd been rebuffing all night, followed me, broke in, and was on top of me. I freaked out, grabbed her by the shoulders, threw her off me, and then goose-marched her by her arms out my door, and locked it. They threatened me because I refused to open the door to give her her clothing, so the cops showed up to a crying naked slob in the hallway.

[+]digital0verdose -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems like given the current climate and how much people are willing to talk about this, now is your chance to revisit this and get the justice you deserve.

[+]digital0verdose 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Damn, how much jail time did she get?

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Plural, actually. None. Long story short, I was a gullible child and convinced that I'd get in trouble if I told. By the time I was old enough to realize that wasn't true, I'd realized there was little point to bringing it up so many years later. So I haven't told anyone in my life.

[+]digital0verdose 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There's no statute of limitations in many states. Check yours and report it. With all the news we see of teachers being nailed to the wall, it should be obvious that if your situation is the slightest in similarity relating to age, you will have a voice.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want to. I don't want to be humiliated and ashamed about it, not do I want to go through all that when I have zero evidence. Not worth it on many levels.

[–]lesbefriendly 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because revealing her name reveals the identity of the child.

[–]witwats 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

False sexual assault and rape charges (not mistaken, misunderstood or confused) should carry the same penalty as the actual crime.

e.g. 2 years for rape equals 2 years for a false charge as well.

[–]ShawnWilson00031 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The jail time is hardly anything compared to the social stigma, job loss, etc. Your life is essentially over.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually even if you are found innocent and there is no jail time, those other aspects are permanently damaged.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She indicated that a nanny had helped care for the girl and that the woman had a link to Israel.

That seems like an oddly racist non sequitur for the Judge to say.

[–]kutwijf 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But but women rarely ever make false rape accusations..

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A High Court judge made the ruling after she concluded that the woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had caused 'significant harm' to the little girl.

Still getting a pussy pass.

[–]dukunt 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No Jail = pass

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sickening. And sadly incredibly common.

[–]JohnKimble111 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This story is currently on the front page via a post at r/justiceserved.

[–]Sbeast 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

These psychopaths who commit perjury should have their names revealed, and be sentenced for as long as an actual abuser would get.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fucked up part is that the court seems to only doing this because her accusations subjected the kid to violating examinations by investigators doing their job. Not once was there a mention of how her malicious behavior was a factor, it wasn't her false accusations against him, it wasn't about her being a total piece of shit. I'm really glad they did it because of what she was doing to the kid, but it's still really obvious that they made no mention of her behavior towards him.

[–]pyropup55 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My brother in law is going through this now. The fucking times he's been accused my his ex, three fucking times he's been cleared 100% and mouthing had happened to the ex.

[–]sonofsuperman1983 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank fuck. She needs to be sterilised until she can take responsibility for what falls out of her Virginia

[–]scyth3s 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think she owns the state

[–]measureofallthings 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This makes me so happy for that child!

[–]MisPlacedNeuroBlue 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Justice seems to always find a way in the UK... rarely so in the US.

[+]IconTrell 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They’ve actually done research that shows the Centers in a women’s brain that control Logic and Decision Making have extra Neural Pathways directly connected to the part of the brain that deals with Emotions. Translation = Women can’t make Logical Decisions without mixing in Emotion, this is a biological fact.

THEY ARE NOT MADE TO LEAD. BUT TO FOLLOW/SUPPORT. THIS NATURAL ORDER CANNOT BE REVERSED NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY.

[–]IAintThatGuy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's in the child's best interest. You can be around a parent that fucks with your mind on a daily basis.

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