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War on women: The link between white supremacy, "men's rights" and anti-abortion politics | They’re not even hiding it anymore - major think tanks want to openly associate us with white supremacy through mental gymnastics.

CatacombsRave

April 2, 2023
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https://www.salon.com/2023/04/01/on-women-the-link-between-supremacy-mens-rights-and-anti-abortion/
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Title War on women: The link between white supremacy, "men's rights" and anti-abortion politics | They’re not even hiding it anymore - major think tanks want to openly associate us with white supremacy through mental gymnastics.
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CatacombsRave

Upvotes 250
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Date April 2, 2023 2:08 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/129mcro/war_on_women_the_link_between_white_supremacy/
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Comments

[–]CatacombsRave[S] 70 points71 points72 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Further, focusing on the gender incarceration gap significantly helps black men, as does demanding equal funding for prostate cancer research and other things. Doesn’t really sound like white supremacy to me.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 39 points40 points41 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's salon. It's a hit piece. Don't bother to get factual with it.

[–]ruMenDugKenningthreW 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. May has well as post an article from Jezebel

[–]PopcornAndShriimp1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

How would longer sentences for women help black people? Or are you saying shorter sentences for men convicted of crimes is the answer?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well then our for-profit prisons would have a different demographic to abuse and exploit, and black men wouldn't have to take the brunt of it.

Time for women to show up and pay their half of that "equality" bill

[–]PopcornAndShriimp1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Right but women spending more time in prison doesn’t help black men and I’m confused how you think it would.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OH! You didn't even bother to read what i wrote, gotcha.

Double OH! You're an hour old mens rights troll. Blocked and reported, asswipe

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points72 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

We're their enemies, and all their enemies are the same person: Men.

They also associate us with incels, pedophiles, murderers, serial killers, genocidal maniacs, and Hitler.

That's because their smooth-brained ideology can't bother to treat Mentm as individual people (ya know, those things with hopes and dreams and feelings that you can't treat however just because it makes you feel good) and instead stereotype all men as The Enemy/Other unless they're actively simping for feminist cunts, in which case they're the Conquered Enemy/Other

I'm more surprised they haven't managed to blame men for labor and period pains yet, as if we're actively making them happen.

[–]BeepBeepYeah7789 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"I'm more surprised they haven't managed to blame men for labor and period pains yet, as if we're actively making them happen."

Some of them do that already.

To exaggerate, you could have one of your arms crushed or cut off in a workplace accident and they would still insist that it's no comparison to the pain of childbirth. And therefore you shouldn't complain about the pain and discomfort YOU'RE in.

[–]Callmebynotmyname 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You seem like a very angry person. I hope you get help for that my man. Ive never met anyone who thinks men aren't individual people.

[–]C0sm1cB3ar 41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Just had a discussion with a feminist. I approved some of her points: equal pay, prevention and protection from sexual harrassment, safe childbirth...

I DARED mention some men's issues, like the high suicide rate, the falling ternary education, the high fatalities at the workplace.

She went BALLISTIC. I was now the enemy, the oppressor, the monster.

This is where we are now. Any mention of men's rights makes you the enemy. This is unbelievable.

[–]veodebouev 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You should have guessed once she mentioned ‘equal pay’

[–]PlzSendDunes 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Equal pay is almost an impossibility. There are specialists who are considered so critical by some employers and indispensable, that they will get every raise management can give them, as well as what they will ask for. Also some fields are just have workers just because they pay well, not because people dream about it or anything, like sewage treatment specialists or underwater welders or miners who deal with explosives.

It's ridiculous to think that anyone could be paid the same... Also if employers can pay less to employees, they most definitely will, because business goal is profits. And you get profits by paying less your employees on aggregate than what in aggregate value they create to the company.

Life is unfair. That's reality.

[–]Callmebynotmyname 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know equal pay doesn't mean everyone at every job gets paid the same amount right? It means people with the exact same skill level, experience and expertise get paid the same amount.

[–]rabel111 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

  1. Its neither plausible or possible to have a "discussion" with a feminist.

  2. If they are a feminist, they are acting in character with their ideology, which is violently anti-male.

  3. It wouldn't matter what you said, when ever non-feminists speak, it's always considered hate speech by feminists, and requires a carefully crafted logical response (YELLING AND ABUSE).

[–]Character_Pirate_6181 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Your mistake was having a discussion with a feminist, which is counterproductive on its face.

[–]A_Direwolf 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This.

[–]KrazyJazz 37 points38 points39 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

"Pro-life" activists and advocates rarely bill their campaign to outlaw abortion as explicitly driven by a commitment to the "men's rights" movement and its efforts to dominate women, and tend to avoid any overt association with racism or white supremacy.

The men's rights movement wants to 'dominate women' and is associated somehow with pro-lifers and white suprematists? That's it? Just like that? That's the best he can do as a 'doctor'? Some bullshit assertion without the slightest shadow of a tangible proof except his very own and quite convenient 'researches'? Shaming language, manipulation and victimhood at their finest. A witches brew stew of everything he doesn't like or understand. Surprisingly enough brussel sprouts, sun burns and UFOs are not mentionned.

[Edited to add link.]

[–]WeEatBabies 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, we are pro-financial-abortion, not only do we believe that women should have the choice to have an abortion, but men should also get the same right!

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And any feminists who are reading if you are wondering why we don't step up then, it's because you spent decades silencing us!

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Had you let us get the financial abortion 20 years ago, you ladies you wouldn't be in this mess in the first place!

Now swim in it!

[–]TrilIias 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

not only do we believe that women should have the choice to have an abortion, but men should also get the same right!

No "we" don't. The MRM is not explicitly pro-life or pro-choice. MRAs can be both. Generally, MRAs support "legal paternal surrender," which you call "financial abortion," a term that I do not recomend for several reasons:

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  • Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By using such a politically charged term you alienate so many people right from the start.

  • With Roe overturned, abortion will be banned in many states. If you establish legal paternal surrender as the equivalent to a right that is about to be banned, then how will you be able to make the case that men should have legal paternal surrender on the basis of equality?

  • It's not comparable to abortion. The equivalent to legal paternal surrender is legal maternal surrender. By the way, women have that under safe haven laws, so this avoids the problem of point 2. There is no male equivalent to abortion. There is no medical procedure men can undergo that terminates the pregnancy. SCOTUS has recognized that pregnancy and parenthood are two separate issues. Abortion addresses pregnancy, safe haven laws and legal paternal surrender address parenthood. Again, there is no male option to address pregnancy.

[–]SamaelET 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Pro-life" activists and advocates rarely bill their campaign to outlaw abortion as explicitly driven by a commitment to the "men's rights"

"They don't say it but deep down I KNOW IT !"

[–]mcc9999 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Salon.com. 'nuff said.

[–]Character_Pirate_618 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. They're explicitly anti-male. One wouldn't read their propaganda lest one enjoyed man hating.

[–]Dr_RxRedpill 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is the Gender KKK.

We are exposing their racist lies. We need to flip the script against them.

Please like and subscribe. We plan to expose more of their racism and delve into the racist history of feminism.

https://youtu.be/_QNK7fJiryU

[–]Ok_Night_7767 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The whole article is an abortion. First, because it appears to be conflating the goals of white supremacists with those of men's rights advocates. The two are very different groups and while there may be overlap, I don't see any numbers that suggest that it is particularly significant. There are likely both Pro-Life and Pro-Choice women in the feminist movement but that is not addressed in the article so apparently it is quite ok.

Second, it is very unclear which (if any) group some of the statistics were drawn from and their interpretation leaves a great deal to be desired. Perhaps British statesman Benjamin Disraeli said it best. There are three kinds of lies: 1) lies 2) damned lies and 3) statistics.

[–]TrilIias 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and while there may be overlap

Where is the overlap? I'm not willing to concede that there is any such overlap, feminism certainly has a far more racist history than the MRM.

[–]orussell03 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These guys think they will get some pussy for writing shit like that... fucking simps.

[–]A_Direwolf 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Next article: Why water is racist.

[–]KochiraJin 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That already exists.

[–]A_Direwolf 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I really hope a meteor takes us out.

[–]SuccessfulSprinkles7 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't misrepresent what that article was about.

[–]KochiraJin 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Racism is, quite literally, in the water in America.

Sounds like racist water to me. The rest is just the usual every disparity must be discrimination garbage.

[–]TrilIias 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Efforts by Republicans and their allies to roll back abortion rights continue, with a looming federal ban on the abortion pill mifepristone, which accounts for more than half of all pregnancy terminations each year. That case is being decided by U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, and was litigated by Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian advocacy group that was also involved in the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision last year, which overturned Roe v. Wade and the nationwide right to abortion. Kacsmaryk, a Trump appointee, has adopted various terms used by anti-abortion advocates in his comments from the case, referring to "chemical abortion" and "mail-in abortion," for example, phrases that are widely rejected in medical professional settings. His language has led to concerns that the judge is tipping his hand to the anti-abortion movement, and will likely declare a national ban on mifepristone.

The right-wing Christian dimension to the anti-abortion movement has long been obvious, and even as the proportion of evangelical Christians has steadily declined in American society, the religious right has become a highly influential force in the Republican Party. What is missed in this discourse, however, is any discussion about the ways that both white supremacist and male supremacist ideology appear to be driving the contemporary push to outlaw abortions in America.

"Pro-life" activists and advocates rarely bill their campaign to outlaw abortion as explicitly driven by a commitment to the "men's rights" movement and its efforts to dominate women, and tend to avoid any overt association with racism or white supremacy. In cases where a link with racism becomes explicit, those articulating the connection are quickly denounced. For example, Rep. Mary Miller, an Illinois Republican, encountered significant blowback for announcing at a 2022 rally attended by Donald Trump that she wanted to thank the former president and his Supreme Court for the Dobbs decision – "on behalf of all the MAGA patriots in America," who appreciated "the historic victory for white life."

Miller quickly backtracked, claiming that she had meant to say a victory for the "right to life." That explanation was clearly undermined by her history of embracing far-right reactionary beliefs, including Adolf Hitler in a speech one day before the Jan. 6 insurrection. Miller's denials across multiple instances of mainstreaming white supremacy are typical of the reactionary right in the Trump era, as increasingly extreme ideas are offered as red meat for the GOP base, while those who utter them later protest that they were taken out of context, kidding or misunderstood.

The contention that the Trumpian right is pursuing an extremist war against women has gained traction in the wake of the 2022 Dobbs ruling. For example, Margaret Atwood draws on her classic dystopian novel to warn that the U.S. is on its way to becoming a "Handmaid's Tale" republic, establishing a "state religion" to assault women's reproductive rights, which now "belong only to the state." Atwood reflects: "Theocratic dictatorships do not lie only in the distant past: There are a number of them on the planet today. What is to prevent the United States from becoming one of them?"

But what if the war on women is also driven by a vision of society that is dominated by white heterosexual men, and that idealizes a national identity that marginalizes and suppresses people of color, and particularly women of color? To test this position, I developed a survey with the help of my research team working in association with the Marcon Institute for the study of racial and social justice at Lehigh University.

The February 2022 Marcon survey contacted a national sample of 1,021 Americans, asking them their opinions of various social and political issues, as related to questions of white supremacy, male supremacy and abortion. The survey found significant evidence of the racialization of anti-abortion politics on the American right, via the mainstreaming of white supremacy. While only 15 percent of American adults overall agreed with Mary Miller's claim that the Dobbs decision was "a victory for white life," the number was more than twice as high – 35 percent – among Trump supporters.

It is disturbing and illuminating to find that more than a third of Trump's followers embrace white supremacist values, and link them explicitly to their anti-abortion views. This is significant evidence of the mainstreaming of white supremacy – even though most Republicans do not endorse this sort of toxic ideology. What's even more disturbing is the finding that an even larger number of Americans are susceptible to "men's rights" ideology, and that such values are linked to the racialized ways that people look at abortion.

The Marcon survey includes a four-question index that gauges Americans' openness to various heteronormative beliefs that are at the core of the men's rights movement. These questions include asking respondents whether they agree with the following assertions:

"Sometimes a man may need to use violence if they feel it is necessary to get respect."

"In a marriage, women should obey their husbands."

"It is unnatural to identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."

"It is unnatural to identify as transgender."

Overall identification with this heteronormative index reveals that a large minority of Americans are susceptible to these values. Forty-one percent of respondents agreed in the Marcon survey with at least one of the four values, while 28 percent agreed with at least two or more, and 11 percent agreed with three or more. These are not insignificant numbers. These values are also tied to susceptibility to the men's rights movement's values and opinions regarding white supremacy and abortion.

Utilizing statistical regression analysis of the Marcon survey, I measure the relationship between openness to heteronormative beliefs and agreement with Miller's claim that the Dobbs ruling was "a victory for white life," while controlling for various other factors, including respondents' income, age, education, race, gender, political party identification (Republican, independent or Democrat), ideology (conservative, moderate or liberal) and personal financial situation (very/somewhat good or very/somewhat poor).

Susceptibility to the reactionary heteronormative values that drive the men's rights movement is a significant predictor of white nationalist-friendly views of abortion. To explain that further, as one moves from individuals with the least favorable responses to our heteronormative index (61 percent of respondents agreed with none of the four values) to those who were the most favorable (3.4 percent of respondents agreed with all four values), the likelihood of agreeing that the Dobbs ruling is a "victory for white life" increases by 52 percent, after controlling for all the other variables in my analysis.

Public support on the pro-Trump right for the Dobbs ruling is driven to a significant extent by white nationalist values that elevate white children's lives above children of color, and above the lives of people of color more broadly. This is an important finding, because it suggests that many people who oppose abortion rights in the U.S. are not being honest about their motives in seeking to downplay the racist, white supremacist aspects of their politics in relation to abortion and women's rights. But anti-abortion politics are about more than just race. They are also about a way of looking at the world that idealizes masculinity, misogyny and anti-LGBTQ+ identities, with these forms of bigotry being increasingly normalized under Trumpism and within contemporary Republican politics.

Despite its rhetoric, in other words, the anti-abortion right is not simply concerned with the unborn's "right to life." Evidence clearly shows a link between the values of the men's rights movement, racial bigotry and anti-abortion politics. The Christian-Republican right wants to control women and maintain white heteronormativity as the dominant socio-political hierarchy. In seeking to control 50 percent of the population and deny them the right to make their own reproductive choices, it infringes on the very foundation of democracy.

[–]TrilIias 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is missed in this discourse, however, is any discussion about the ways that both white supremacist and male supremacist ideology appear to be driving the contemporary push to outlaw abortions in America.

They don't shut up about it, how has it been missing from the discourse?

"Pro-life" activists and advocates rarely bill their campaign to outlaw abortion as explicitly driven by a commitment to the "men's rights" movement and its efforts to dominate women,

Someone asked ChatGPT what Men's Rights Activists are.

The contention that the Trumpian right is pursuing an extremist war against women has gained traction in the wake of the 2022 Dobbs ruling. For example, Margaret Atwood draws on her classic dystopian novel to warn that the U.S. is on its way to becoming a "Handmaid's Tale" republic

That's hard evidence right there. The feminists invented a fictional story and now they're constantly paranoid about their fiction coming true. It's like when wives have a dream about their husbands letting them fall off a cliff or something, then wake up angry at their husbands, because if he was better she wouldn't have even dreamed that it happened. Bunch of schizos.

The survey found significant evidence of the racialization of anti-abortion politics on the American right, via the mainstreaming of white supremacy. While only 15 percent of American adults overall agreed with Mary Miller's claim that the Dobbs decision was "a victory for white life," the number was more than twice as high – 35 percent – among Trump supporters.

As someone who is actually pro-life and an MRA (I of all people would know pro-life MRAs are not that common), if I was asked on a survey if the Dobbs decision was a "a victory for white life," I'd mostly be confused. I think it's a victory for all life, probably especially for black life since more black babies are aborted, but I'd probably answer yes. Not because I'm racist, but because white life is included in all life. I don't think the question makes much sense, and I don't buy for a second that an affirmative answer is evidence of white supremacy.

This is significant evidence of the mainstreaming of white supremacy

I would expect significant evidence to be more damning. They're grasping at nothing.

What's even more disturbing is the finding that an even larger number of Americans are susceptible to "men's rights" ideology,

Oh really? I had no idea, here I was feeling like almost no one understood me as an MRA on either side of the main political divide, but apparently I just hadn't noticed the overwhelming support. I guess we're also worse than white supremacists, so that's a thing.

The Marcon survey includes a four-question index that gauges Americans' openness to various heteronormative beliefs that are at the core of the men's rights movement.

This should be good.

"Sometimes a man may need to use violence if they feel it is necessary to get respect."

"In a marriage, women should obey their husbands."

"It is unnatural to identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."

"It is unnatural to identify as transgender."

Someone shoot me, I'm a bad MRA because I don't think any of these things. Why am I even here? There's been some misunderstanding. Why did none of you dastards tell me that you can't be a gay MRA? I've been living a lie!

I want this author to explain why these are linked to the MRM. Not once does the author attempt to do so.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh, pretty much everything I do that isn't aligned with the dominant ideology of the day gets me accused of white supremacy. Basically, I get accused one way or another of white supremacy at least 1-2 times a week. Classic smear campaigns for anyone who disagrees. At this point it's a meaningless babble that I drown out, and you should too.

[–]Henry_Blair 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell them you have an ex-antifa socialist Jew here. Let them fascist feminists come against him with their feminist-supremacy tanks. Here's something you can send them from me, the anti-fascist anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcKwGS7OSQ

[–]Character_Pirate_618 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The mainstream media and federal government want to weaken men's voices and elevate women's voices and women's power over men. The state uses women to browbeat and control men. Women control a lot of spending and politicians are dependent on women's votes. Men vote against themselves, so the mainstream media and government don't care about men. If men started acting in their own best interests, the situation would change. But thanks to gynocentrism, courtly love and chivalry, men will always act, for the most part, with self-sacrifice and self-disposability, all to gain women's attention and approval. Hence, men will get weaker and more voiceless as time goes on.

[–]Callmebynotmyname 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf did I just read. Men are too focused on courtly love and chivalry to think about their own interests? What?

[–]Organic-Brotha 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It all comes back to Nazis want to villainize a movement? Racist Ties …. Shame that some of us are visible minorities

[–]g1455ofwater 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Accusations of "white supremacy" in the media tend to be a racial attack on white people by the media.

Accusations of "misogyny" in the media tend to be a sexist attack on men by the media.

[–]Joe_Immortan 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Pro-life activists are generally those that support routine infant circumcision (for males) the draft (for males) and expect men to handle all the risky, dangerous jobs that society has need of.

Suggesting they have any connection to the MRM is ludicrous. They want the opposite of men’s rights

[+]mikoartss -10 points-9 points-8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Growing up I performed my own circumcision.

[–]CoolGuyOwl 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why though?

[–]SouthernSeeker 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...did they ever hide it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently, the civil thing is to heat them out, but as it stands simply removing their rights sounds like a much better option.

[–]itsakon 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/5uyet
archive link. Don’t give ‘em your clicks.

[–]J_KILLA89 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That article is full of crap. I'm black and support men's rights group. This article was probably written by a liberal feminist chick or a male feminist cuck

[–]Swingstar731 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I do feel like we've had some bad media representation that makes us look bad like Andrew Tate being deemed the king of mras and stuff like that. Jordan Peterson is also a terrible representative for us.I'm that antitheist that hates all manners of religion and rightwingism. I do feel like a lot of the talk I see, I would sum up as being pro-tradwife in this way that makes "tradition" into something that wreaks of the biases of more right wing type people. I don't necessarily want THEIR version of a trad wife, I want my own. I saw a good meme today that was pointed towards women and said "you call men insecure but you provide no security". I'm the victim of a horrible ordeal where I was falsely accused by my ex so that she could cover up and even promote the idea that she was cheating on me as if I deserved it. I lost everything. My social life, my career, my family life, everything. So what I want in a woman is a woman that isn't a cheating lying pos like her. But when I look around I see that most women are just...yuck.... And it's not how they dress or what their body count is or anything like that. For me it's just about being able to trust a woman and these women are so untrustworthy anymore.

[–]Callmebynotmyname -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It sounds like one woman broke your trust in all women. That sucks bro and I hope you work on that because not all women are like that but if you keep that mentality you'll never see them as anything else.

[–]Swingstar731 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, one did a lot, but all women broke my my trust in women

[–]excess_inquisitivity 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Long time passing. Splc wrote us up as a hate group back in the day.

[–]HamletsRazor 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Walk away. Do not participate.

There is zero benefit to men in relationships today.

[–]Halafax 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Potential benefits, absolutely. Protections if things go bad? No, not for men.

[–]Callmebynotmyname 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What kind of protections would you want?any marriage can have a prenup

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