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95% of strip searches of children reported in England & Wales are of boys. This may or may not be an issue but I found it interesting that it was considered unfair that black children were more likely to be strip-searched but this huge gender disparity was barely mentioned in lots of media coverage.

wntk

March 30, 2023
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/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11906529/Thousands-children-aged-young-eight-strip-searched-police-figures-show.html
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Title 95% of strip searches of children reported in England & Wales are of boys. This may or may not be an issue but I found it interesting that it was considered unfair that black children were more likely to be strip-searched but this huge gender disparity was barely mentioned in lots of media coverage.
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Date March 30, 2023 1:40 AM UTC
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[–]Top-Swimmer-7918 85 points86 points87 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely an issue misandry and child abuse.

[–]SouthernSeeker 127 points128 points129 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

There are three times as many boys diagnosed with autism than girls so diagnosed; many within the community view this as evidence that girls are discriminated against in autism research.

I haven't been able to find exact numbers, but there are MANY more black and Hispanic children diagnosed with autism than white children; many within the community view this as evidence that blacks and Hispanics are discriminated against in autism research.

The mindset views people as inherently part of an "oppressor" class or a "victim" one. Depending on which group you fall into, almost everything that happens to you is either the result of privilege or discrimination. There's no logic involved at all.

[–]Tilt_Flock 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

^

[–]househubbyintraining 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

welcome to the post-intersectional world, where people can't take paper cuts anymore, and instead yell at people who are getting their fingers cut off. Because **insert law in the 1700s** because **insert justification on why 3 hundred year time gap is irrelavent** because **insert generational oppression from historical institutional oppression**

[–]Eli-Thail 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

There are three times as many boys diagnosed with autism than girls so diagnosed; many within the community view this as evidence that girls are discriminated against in autism research.

There's no logic involved at all.

That reasoning doesn't really mesh with the known and demonstrable fact that a ton of old medical research from back in the day -which has since served as the foundation for a lot of modern understandings of medicine- was conducted using wildly disproportionate sex ratios as a result of the social mores of the day. As well as the simple economic motivations that persist to this day; doubling the number of sample groups involved costs money that research departments are often quite lacking in.

Like, this isn't a matter of opinion or open to subjective interpretations; the fact is that prior to roughly 1970, a lot of medical norms and guidelines were established using studies which exclusively included men as participants, yet applied those results as the standard for both men and women.

What logic is there in denying this easily verifiable reality on the basis of culture war nonsense?

[–]SouthernSeeker 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude- drop the persecution complex; it ain't gonna help ya.

I wasn't asserting that there's no reason to question the disparities- there's quite a bit. I was saying that the DERIVED CONCLUSION- that it's all do to oppression- is derived from dogma, not logic.

[–]Eli-Thail -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't asserting that there's no reason to question the disparities- there's quite a bit.

Alright, and what exactly is it, if not the sex based discrimination which is recorded in the studies in question?

There are three times as many boys diagnosed with autism than girls so diagnosed; many within the community view this as evidence that girls are discriminated against in autism research.

The mindset views people as inherently part of an "oppressor" class or a "victim" one. Depending on which group you fall into, almost everything that happens to you is either the result of privilege or discrimination.

And I would remind you that you made the assertion that accepting the evidence of sex based discrimination in the studies -resulting in modern gender bias in diagnosis- means one must attribute that discrimination solely to deliberate oppression. Not me.

In fact, I'm the one disputing that assertion. The assumption you're making that discrimination can only occur as a result of oppression is a dogmatically driven one, not a logically driven one.

[–]MultipleHeadshot 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So if nearly 60 years ago it was research on men then who are they researching on now? Men and women aren’t a completely different species.

[–]Eli-Thail 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if nearly 60 years ago it was research on men then who are they researching on now?

While men still make up a clear majority, most modern studies make an active effort to at least have mixed gender sample groups. Except, obviously, for studies attempting to measure or investigate something that's in some way gender specific.

The scientific ideal, however, is to have separate sample groups for men and women. And while that's universally understood to be superior, it's not always carried out in practice for economic reasons.

Men and women aren’t a completely different species.

Okay? You don't need to be a different species to be sexually dimorphic, though. And that's exactly what humans are.

This really isn't a matter of opinion, so I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to dispute.

[–]Shayde505 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So I have 2 children 1 is diagnosed on the spectrum (my oldest who is a girl) and one waiting to be assessed. The reason that there is such a huge gap is that when they are younger girls are much better at masking and mimicking social behaviors it's not until they are older and the social situations become more complex that they have issues mimicking those social ques and the signs become more easily recognized

[–]Huntress_Nyx 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like quite the serious issue imo.

Like.. a very big issue.

[–]phoenician_anarchist 66 points67 points68 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Boys? You mean Patriarchal Oppressors, right?

It's telling that we probably only know about this because they did it to a girl.

[–]tooschooledforcool 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes they are usually stripped searched by other men.

[–]dibberdott 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whoa,, there is no Sanduskyism in that!!! /s

[–]Castruccio_Castracan 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once again and as many times as are needed: the Marxist paradigm of oppressor class vs oppressed class is applied 1:1 by feminism to men and women. Men are unpersoned and undeserving of any sympathy within such a framework, no matter the individual circumstances. Users here hate it when I point out where this attitude comes from, but it doesn't make it less true.

[–]Zipdox 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://harmful.cat-v.org/security-theater/_imgs/my-first-cavity-search.jpg

[–]YesAmAThrowaway 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Knowing the kinda girls I saw at school, there's no way a reasonable person should think only boys carry drugs lmfao. New strategy: give the girls in your friend group the stuff if almost only boys get searched, like

[–]TheLastHippieAlive 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In my country any search of a person MUST be done by officer of the same sex. And there were hardly any female officers.

Sooo... Yeah everything went into the bras.

[–]YesAmAThrowaway 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being unruly teenagers seems to cross the gender divides like nothing else 😂

[–]Sharkictus 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More jobs really need to be closer to the 50/50 gender/sex ratio.

[–]AnFGhoster 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A ton of "black issues" are male issues. Like police violence. Black men get it the worst but if you break the numbers down by sex AND race you'll see black men might be first but right behind them are white men with women of both races FAR behind them.

Bringing this up gets you some...interesting excuses from the wokies.

[–]PostNutLucidity 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's perfectly acceptable to talk about the racial discrepancy in sentencing (when it comes to the same crime with similar criminal history) and these types of people may even cheer you on for doing so but if you highlight that the gender discrepancy in sentencing is even larger then the disingenuous rationalisation starts.

[–]furchfur 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From the article:

"Six per cent of strip-searches were conducted with at least one officer
of a different gender than the child being searched present, the report
added".

You know this was female officers "getting off" on forcing boys to strip.

It really is outrageous.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see a problem with viewing this through a lense of pedophile sexual predators using their position of authority for personal gratification.

If they don't like that headline, make a change.

[–]UltimateShame 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seems like UK police is acting more and more like US police. What’s even the reason for strip searching children?

That’s a really good way to make children hate the police by the way.

[–]rkorgn 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because children carry knives and drugs. See 'County lines'. Or this teenager found to carry a knife https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/17/police-officers-disarming-teen-knife-shouted-not-wearing-face-masks-12715769/. Not the video I was thinking of, with a crowd harassing police searching a black kid....until they found a massive knife on him.

[–]reverbiscrap 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both are true.

Black boys in particular are considered more dangerous from age 8 on (iirc), and multiple studies bear this out. Black girls are not treated the same way, as they only have half of the magic formula.

[–]dibberdott 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is also a gender and racial divide with Corporal Punishment in US Schools. I wonder if our little Nashville killer was beaten by school employees. ?? Christian schools so (spare the rod ) might be the order of the day at that school.

[–]Eli-Thail 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On the one hand, the perpetrator was natally female, so gender disparities certainly wouldn't suggest that they were any more likely to corporal punishment on that basis.

But on the other hand, we're talking about a private religious school which is extremely open and explicit in it's disdain for and condemnation of transgender people and even simple deviation from traditional gender roles in it's official statements and teachings.

And what's more, the school and it's affiliated church are one with a bit of a history regarding violence and abuse against those seen as disrupting the status quo, like the guy who was beaten and run out of town with guns pointed at him and his family after he blew the whistle on a deacon who was sexually abusing children, and a church leadership who was covering up for him.

I felt that this article written by some Baptist news source did a pretty good job of presenting what's known in a neutral manner.

All in all, I won't be remotely surprised if it comes to light that the shooter was abused over the course of their time at the institution. Based on what law enforcement have sort of alluded to being written in their suicide note, I think that the main question is exactly how far it went.

[–]wiwaszka 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand. Why were those searches conducted to begin with?

[–]Lorry_Al 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one cares about boys getting strip searched. Boys = bad

Girls = dainty and virtuous

[–]wwwhistler 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i think the lack of any outrage is the tendency for people to use their assumptions rather than the facts.

if male they are assumed guilty, if female they are assumed innocent. why would you search someone you "know" is innocent?

[–]Christian-Phoenix 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

A girl being strip searched would probably result in riots.

A boy being strip searched would just make people laugh.

I wonder why?

[–]Stand_kicker -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like an perception issue

[–]HurterOfFeefeesV2 -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only saw race if they had it their way it'd be white straight males getting searched only bc apparently "Were all fuggn trash" and "Good for nothing"

[+]cjgager 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it happened between 2018 - 2022!!!!! - it took 4yrs to "discover" this??? who is kidding who? intimidation - ahhh, the English, so prim & proper in their ways of degradation.

[–]Shayde505 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are children being strip searched at all wtf yall doing over there England?

[–]quaderrordemonstand 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair to the article, if they said it was mostly boys then hardly anyone would care. It's why homeless charities advertise by showing homeless women when the problem is vastly more male. They don't get nearly as many donations if they show men. Pragmatically speaking, its better for the homeless if they pretend to be helping women.

[–]Acceptable_Visit604 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's bc black ppl are a minority group and are victimized, men are not

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