"Kissing the Ring", are you tired of apologising?

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-08-11T08:30:03+00:00

CDC's long apology for reporting on facts is really telling. Damn, even the champion on boy's issues Richard Reeves (I have noticed this in his interviews too, the deferential agreement with some obvious feminist falsehood. While you could see the anger on his face)

This clearly shows there is no patriarchy. At least in the developed countries men are obviously being oppressed and discriminated against.

That_Permission5911 · 2023-08-11T13:32:16+00:00

I had a college professor trying to pull this narcissitic bullshit on us:

"Why are men not allowed to cry? Why are men always expected to ask out the girl and not the other way around? Toxic masculinity, the patriarchy is evil"

So I said something like

"I can cry anytime I want. No one said I can't. The patriarchy never said I can't. And girls need to make the conscious choice themselves if they want to ask a guy out. I can't make them do that."

And she looked at me like "get the fuck out of my classroom". My grades had a noticeable decline in them as well, despite my academic work efforts not at all changing themselves.

That_Permission5911 · 2023-08-11T13:40:18+00:00

Let's not forget that World Economic Forum (WEC) measures "gender equality" like this:

Women behind = -1 points

Men ahead = -1 points

Women ahead = +1 points

Men behind = +1 points

Kind of fucked, no? It only cares about women, and when men are disadvantaged, the system systematically ignores it.

Now I believe that equality should work both ways and that this is wrong. When the WEC listed the top "gender equal" countries, RWANDA made the list a few years ago. Why? Because of a GENOCIDE that MURDERED a large percentage of their male population. And so women get their jobs and their votes and liquated all the assets belonging to the men and cash in on it. Yay for women!

So you have a criminally offensive ruling elite power that honestly believes that

Androcide = gender equality = boys and men MUST die

I suppose this is why Henry Kissinger dated Gloria Steinem (a radfem), recruited her into the CIA, spread her propaganda around in India, and then preceded to say this:

'Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.'

rohan62442 · 2023-08-11T13:56:50+00:00

It's fucking infuriating when I encounter it, and that's bloody often.

Here's a message to all men and boys: Stop fucking apologizing for things you did not do, or for words you did not say. Never apologize for having problems and talking about them. And never ever apologize for who you are.

TheTinMenBlog · 2023-08-11T08:17:02+00:00

There has always been an inherent sense of guilt hanging over the head of men and boys advocacy; like it’s some grubby little secret, a blemish of your character, or dog whistle for ‘the alt right’.

You know those pats on the back, and nods of approval you get for speaking up for vulnerable women? Well don’t expect them if you speak about vulnerable men. As seemingly compassion, care and support is abhorrent, if it is extended to the wrong group of people.

As a result you’ll see the bitter pill of ‘mens issues’ sweetened, and often laboured with disclaimers, concessions, and hand wringing apologia. ‘Just because we’re talking about men, doesn’t mean women aren’t…’

So follows the long winded small print that comes alongside every statistic, and grovelling penance paying before any story of male victimhood.

Advocacy here is whispered, spluttered, whimpered, or sprinkled with niceties and moral posturing.

But should it need to be?

Should kindness and compassion be apologised for, explained, or tempered with shows of good virtue?

Should advocacy for men and boys be hidden from view, read beneath the covers, or quietened for the comfort of others?

Can such concessions only weaken the cause long term?

Should we be apologising for the advocacy of boys and men?

~

Incarcerated Population

Domestic violence statistics

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plumberack · 2023-08-11T15:06:36+00:00

Feminists have successfully set this narrative in society.

Helping boys is seen as an attack against all women.
Criticising the actions of a single bad woman is seen as an attack against all women.
Punishing a criminal is seen as an attack against all women.

This attack against all women assumption is the most dangerous and a powerful weapon. This is why they apologize.

your_local_loser564 · 2023-08-11T13:18:22+00:00

You're my favorite

Billmacia · 2023-08-11T14:46:43+00:00

Yep, but this is against the society narative, so nobody care (except of small minority of men and MAYBE women)

How can we change that?

-Talk about it, without being silence/insulted would be a great start

True-Lychee · 2023-08-11T14:07:33+00:00

The disclaimers/caveats sound like ChatGPT

matrixislife · 2023-08-11T15:08:50+00:00

Sooner or later you get to the "fuck it" position, where you're done worrying about how other people think of you. The reason for the disclaimers in most cases is because if you don't address it, that will undoubtedly be the first thing you hear about in the comments.

99% of deaths in war are men
hmm, but what about the women?

I don't feel apologetic at all when making a point, I'll often feel irritated "this is so damn obvious, why can't you see, are you illiterate??" but I've talked to too many men in bad situations to apologise for it now.

thomas_gabriel88 · 2023-08-11T14:38:10+00:00

Yep this is so accurate

pm_me_your_buttbulge · 2023-08-12T00:53:11+00:00

Honestly - this is one of my frustrations with modern dialog.

For example - if you are a Democrat and have criticism of the Democratic party - you usually have to prefix your comments with "I'm a Democrat but..." otherwise the first response you'll find is "you're just a Republican, shut up and ..." type responses. It's part of the reason many of my comments are so long and often triggers folks who have pre-thought out responses that I already addressed in my comments. They can't do the "gotcha!" they've been practicing in the shower.

It's now shame, like the last slide indicates, it's preventing the onslaught of attacks you know are likely to come in as PC of a way you can to avoid yet other kinds of attacks.

We also live in a society where "winning" an argument is more important than educating someone - and writers know this. So they have to be delicate. It also doesn't help that there is no way to appear sincere when you make a mistake online in journalism. Everyone is out for blood. The power that comes with that is overwhelming for some.

In the second picture - it's a classic case of Whataboutism. But when the genders are flipped you tend to find feminists saying "ugh, men are trying to make it about them again" - so the "what about" only is attacked in one direction. This causes a lot of friction in those dialogs and often causes otherwise valid responses to be dismissed.

RoryTate · 2023-08-11T18:47:46+00:00

Hearing Richard Reeves talk is like listening to some submissive man get embarrassingly aroused as he fantasizes about the supremacy and glorious perfection of females. He really needs to find a hobby or something.

hangfrog · 2023-08-12T10:00:02+00:00

This is largely unsubstantiated and unreferenced facts and figures and sarcastic captions,with some quotes potentially taken out of context. Whether true or not its basicaly useless unless you're preaching to the converted.

mikehawk1988 · 2023-08-12T14:11:22+00:00

While I appreciate these posts I think you should definitely get rid of these sarcastic remarks in the last slide: "Yass Queen", etc. It makes it from being totally understandable to cynical. It's a reason to instantly not take this serious anymore. Not by me, I do, but by people outside of this community. It's a serious issue and should be stated as such. It seems like the next Buzzword or VICE because it's way too polarizing and achieves the exact opposite of what it should. Kind of disappointed by this.

FoolioTheGreat · 2023-08-11T15:34:17+00:00

To answer your last point. You are doing male advocacy no favours by comparing mens struggles to womens. It feels as though you are blaming women and feminism for the struggles of men. I am sure you and most people here believe this.

But many of the stuggles men face can be met without comparing them to women. You can say there are 1 million homeless men, and only 1000 shelters for them. And advocate for them without saying women have more help.

Framing your arguement this way is pushing people away from helping. I think you will be hard to find evidence of male advocacy groups that do not promote anti women/feminsm beliefs, getting the hate you think they do. If you have evidence of this I would love to see it.

siddsp · 2023-08-11T08:59:12+00:00

I've never seen said disclaimer in my experience...? Any examples?

c0q0 · 2023-08-12T08:25:44+00:00

I follow you on instagram, but on my alt account. Because I’m concerned that being associated with anything like this could hurt my career.

Title	"Kissing the Ring", are you tired of apologising?
Author	TheTinMenBlog
Upvotes	485
Comments	46
Date	August 11, 2023 8:16 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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