I dislike feminists as a group, but not women.

63daddy · 2023-10-08T14:09:15+00:00

Of course disliking feminism doesn’t mean disliking women. It’s like saying that if you dislike the KKK you must dislike white people.

spicyputa · 2023-10-08T14:09:22+00:00

How is consensual sex between a man and a woman called rape?💀

SparkleCharm · 2023-10-08T14:06:28+00:00

I'm not a MGTOW. I don't think avoiding women is the solution. It is definitely possible to find a good woman to marry. People can also be in a relationship without marriage.

You do not get the problem. The problem isn't the number of 'bad' women. The problem is the rampant lack of accountability towards women. A lot of people think like this: "Most women are good, therefore It's okay that they aren't kept accountable". People who limit their interactions with women don't do so out of hate or fear of stumbling upon a bad apple, they do so because they understand the downsides and problems related to interacting with individuals who aren't kept accountable.

It doesn't matter how good their intent is, humans make mistakes and they won't be able to correct them without feedback and if they are left unchecked. Without accountability, women may continue to engage in harmful behaviors without consequences, which can perpetuate a cycle of negative actions.

I'd really hate to be involved in some complex problem with some female friend and have every friend of mine take her side immediately. If you have a problem with a woman, you are pretty much on your own, most of the times. It's understandable why some people dislike this risk.

Kingbookser · 2023-10-08T13:40:33+00:00

"Andrea Dworkin believed all sex between men and women is rape."

I guess she should go back to school and go to biology class again.

To the rest of your posts. I make a difference between feminists and feminism. Feminism supports an evil agenda, but not all feminists are aware of that agenda. Feminists like Andrea Dworkin are of course bad, but just because a Person is a feminist I don't threat that person like shit. I already had a conversation about men's right and feminism with a (female) friend. She became an MRA too and started talking about it with her friends too. Some were feminists and when she was able to proof the agenda of feminism they stopped being feminists. So I make a difference between the movement and the people.

While you said it's possible to find a good woman to marry, I'm mixed about it. Since I see so much discrimination about marriage and divorce that you really shouldn't do it, especially since men not marrying/having children is like going on a strike even when you love your job. You generally love your job, but the company ruins it -> You generally want to marry, but the discrimination is ruining it.

I know I'm hypercritical now, but I'm going to marry my girlfriend. But I can be 100% sure it turns out well, because if she isn't the right women she'd left me 40+ already. We went/go through so much shit together and she is still on my side. Currently even caring for me, while writing this comment, since I'm sick, hehe. She's not a MRA, but supports my activism

g1455ofwater · 2023-10-08T21:43:11+00:00

Men are under no obligation to prove themselves innocent from fraudulent allegations from feminists. The script should be flipped on them when they assume men guilty in situations where if it weren't men guilt wouldn't be assumed. Therefore their accusations are in fact the act of discrimination being committed.

Infinite_Procedure98 · 2023-10-08T16:26:51+00:00

I love women. Most of my friends are women. I barely have really true men friends because I am awkward to exchange with them (excepting a few very close pals).
I am for 100% equality and justice for women.

But I consider woke neofeminism is ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY man hate so I can't caution that. Besides, I have a lot of female friends who took distances with "this" feminism and disaprove it, but silently, because it's an ideological dictature and you can't say it out loud.

girraween · 2023-10-08T21:21:27+00:00

I don't think most feminists know much about their own religion. Anti-feminists know more about feminism because they were feminists before.

As someone who grew up in the peak atheism years, I feel like feminism is quite similar to religion. Atheists had more knowledge of the bible than the believers. The same with people who aren’t into feminism, they know more about the history and beliefs than actual feminists.

Mountain_Collar_7620 · 2023-10-08T16:40:47+00:00

Remember - You are Not a Salmon 🍣

EricAllonde · 2023-10-09T09:01:13+00:00

Feminists are the worst people on the Internet, in my opinion.

They way they try to hide behind the skirts of “women”, as the whale who messaged you did, is pathetic. That’s just one reason of several for why I have zero respect for them.

Buckowski66 · 2023-10-08T17:58:36+00:00

I agree, wish there was a “ she’s an angry Reddit cat lady” detector on my phone.

Altruistic-Cold-7074 · 2023-10-08T18:27:15+00:00

Code Black. Commit these to memory and everytime you get ManShamed it will be much easier knowing it's just another tactic. There's nothing new under the sun, your predecessors have long since counted and compelled the feminists. https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

vorare3561 · 2023-10-09T01:24:54+00:00

Because feminists and the entire feminist movement aren’t just misandry in disguise??? lmfao

There has not been a single damn thing that has been born from Feminism that indicated to me they are fighting for “gender equality” in any form. Whoever PM’d you is full of shaite.

Ask her to name one law or one right, JUST ONE, that men have that women do not. And don’t let her trick you into thinking it’s “gender pay gap”. That has been debunked so many damn times, it’s honestly astonishing feminists haven’t figured out that maybe JUST MAYBE they might be the problem.

thesnaken · 2023-10-09T06:24:44+00:00

I also dislike feminists in groups. Groups of one or more. The problem is, brain washing is so pervasive and deeply rooted at this point, you don’t know who’s who. A girl from a small town and/or a religious family may have values other than her own entitlement. Same for a girl from South America, Central Europe, or Asia. Middle East even. But the west? Is it worth it to dump months or years of your time and money? Everyone has to answer that for oneself, but there are plenty of stories with bad endings. I’ve known otherwise promising Asian girls spoiled by the feminism mental virus, mostly at universities of course. Why do you care what some feminist thinks, though? Stand your ground and do what aligns with your values.

No-Cable7745 · 2023-10-09T08:40:48+00:00

I don’t see a lot of women disavowing the feminist movement. Let’s not make the mistake of handing out pity like cotton candy. As the modern women like to remind us “silence is acceptance” and that has a nudge of truth. If women don’t want to be auto labelled as a feminist they should say that they don’t want to. I assure you, you as a male will always be labelled at something. This white knighting for women is disgusting. Are they weaker? Why do they need protection and from whom? If they truly believe they are weaker and need protection why do they demand more and more rights then? Are you all too blind to see? WHY should I overpay for something that has no utility to me? It is like living in the 80s and buying a BetaMax instead of a VCR. It pains me to say it, but I have come to the conclusion that the entire human history is catering to women. All these things were did for pussy (yes, Freud). And that is pretty sad in my opinion. Alas.

pilotlet · 2023-10-08T13:46:55+00:00

You say a lot without saying anything, brother.

Trying to find balance in a fierce struggle is simply idealism. Gynocentrism and feminism are bastions of this decadent society.

Briffault law, Briffault law, Briffault law. It is the only law that men must understand to articulate his life with respect to the opposite sex. There's no more.

It is definitely possible to find a good woman to marry.

And that is the problem of many today. You want to make a woman property in a world where there are no notaries or laws. Get married for what? Based on what? What is marriage based on if not the folklorism of ideas that are already dead? The unavoidable concept of centralizing resources and capital in a family where the elementary principles by which marriage was established (monogamy, chastity, "marrying for the sake of God") have they died. You and many men dream of the postmodern slavery of being walking ATMs at the risk of ruining your lives for "good women to marry." What is this stupidity?

As you said, women are neither good nor bad, there are bitches and others that are not so bitches. But the fundamental point, statistical, probabilistic, common sense, is that marriage is a long-distance race that today is not based on anything, where you gain nothing except problems, and You give everything of yourself at the risk of becoming the 50% of the statistics that get divorced (almost 90% in Spain, for example) and where it is mostly the woman who takes divorce as the end of your exploitation because you are no longer useful. That is the essence of marriage: a fraud.

The woman seeks her interest as a sexual selector and you seek to give her everything, EVERYTHING, that is what they expect. It's stupid.

MGTOWs, MGTOWs there are all kinds. I am one. There are more monks than 0 contact, those who prefer casual sex and fuck off (I include myself) and those who go through stages of total voluntary celibacy and then get into the mess of relationships.

You have everything to lose: that is the gynocentric feminism that governs us.

Daddy_Jaws · 2023-10-08T18:32:43+00:00

Dude its perfectly okay

Im gay, yet very uncomfortable with the modern lgbt group as a whole, we can always see any group, no matter what its makeup and or beliefs and not like it.

Its not a statement against the majority of people in said group, its a statement against the actions and ideals of the GROUP as a whole

That_Permission5911 · 2023-10-09T00:36:54+00:00

Ive been banned from the largest feminist group on here. every time i mention it by name, my comments get removed. the mods know that tagging any feminist in here is summoning the devil and only leads to trouble. you know what group it is already though. the one where they pretend like they care about questions you may have for their group. they only let softball, preselected stupid "questions" in. And then they claim that all young boys should be force-fed anti-androgen puberty blockers. pisses me off infinitely and forever.

ps: andrea dworkin had married a husband, but kept it secret, knowing her radfem fanbase would not approve. the man claimed that he was gay, so its kind of a complicated thing.

FinancialMarket4985 · 2023-10-09T01:05:40+00:00

I hate male feminists much more than female feminists. If male feminists were just deleted en masse I wouldn't be the least bit bothered.

SelfTechnical6976 · 2023-10-08T15:23:08+00:00

Yep, feminists aee terrifying monsters.

BlackCatAristocrat · 2023-10-09T04:48:48+00:00

A feminist and a woman are not mutually inclusive no matter the correlation. Most people are not inundated with the nuances and information around Feminism and its many forms it's taken throughout time, including modern day Feminism. Therefore, when most people self identify as a feminist, they are assuming it means you believe women and men are equal in value and should have the same rights. Most women would subscribe to this idea, as most men.

That being said, a practicing Feminist is different from the former description. This person typically focuses on the advocacy and advancements of women's rights to different degrees. This typically takes a focus on women's issues and ignores issues affecting men because... well, that is not the focus of their advocacy. This doesn't mean they're against men inherently, just that they prefer women. Sadly, today a lot of the advocacy and academia comes in the form of being against men as a foundation to their beliefs which tends to be why it's reputation has been tarnished.

MrInbetweenn01 · 2023-10-09T03:52:34+00:00

As a side note, I found the old Ali G video where he interviews a famous feminist and says "I have been trying to get my girlfriend into a bit of feminism after a few drinks at a party"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLSstqMvH8

Automatic_Survey_307 · 2023-10-09T13:27:55+00:00

I would recommend interrogating the idea that people can be sorted into "good" and "bad" - it's probably not a helpful way to view people.

I would suggest replacing it with an analysis of positive or negative behaviour rather than labelling the person one way or another. And of course all women and all men are capable of both positive and negative behaviour.

TheMassiveMexipino02 · 2023-10-09T16:44:07+00:00

Any reasonable person can be able to distinguish hatred between the two.

Title	I dislike feminists as a group, but not women.
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Date	October 8, 2023 11:37 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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