Does anyone else find situational openers far more effective than direct?

frogma · 2011-08-21T19:21:36+00:00

The thing about situational openers is it's almost impossible to get flat-out "rejected" by the girl. You might only have a 3-second conversation, but as long as your opener's relevant and you've got a semi-decent vibe, she'll respond in kind. It also helps open up conversation so you can thread it and talk about a whole range of stuff in whatever time you have. The real "risk" with situational openers is they set you up as an "innocent," friendly guy, so you might get friend-zoned if you can't follow up with good shit (it'll also be hard to escalate from there if you don't have more than a few minutes).

I still prefer them to direct openers though (although I don't use direct openers very often, like at all), because with a direct opener you're displaying a lot of interest upfront- which is hardly ever a good thing unless the girl finds you cute/endearing or you're totally confident and congruent. Direct isn't great for night game unless you happen to use it on the right girl- a lot of girls, as soon as you approach, will be looking for reasons to bail on you (most girls will be cool though, depending on where you go).

The general method I'd advise (at least IMO) is if you have more than a couple minutes to talk, you might as well open situationally/indirectly, since you have time to escalate and shit (especially at night). A direct opener can get you blown out within seconds, when you easily could've talked to the girl for a half hour and made some moves on her if you had opened more nonchalantly. Save the direct openers for day game, especially those times where a girl catches your fancy and you'd be a fool to ignore her, but you only have a few seconds to talk.

Although when I was at Kumar's we were talking about it, and something like "Hey, how's it goin?" (which I use all the time) is very similar to a direct opener because it shows interest, usually. I still think something like that is better than "Hey, I think you're cute and I wanted to come talk to you" or something like that.

testmypatience · 2011-08-21T19:43:30+00:00

Situational are the best because they buy you a lot of time. Women are attracted by behaviour, men are attracted by looks, as a result men are like light switches either they're turned on or not, women are like knobs they get more attracted as you convey your behaviour or personality. I used to use direct openers but I find situational way more effective and lower flaking. When you use a direct opener you're forcing the girl to make a decision right at the open, if she's only known you for five seconds her decision is going to be purely based on first impression, considering good looking women get hit on multiple times a day odds are she's going to reject your direct opener. With situational opener you're delaying her decision making to the close, by then she has gotten to know who you are and will probably be attracted if you've played it right, and if you're pacing and leading then she won't even have to make a decision because she'll be used to your leading alpha behaviour and will accept anything you tell her to do.

2011-08-22T07:57:29+00:00

My POV: the better you look, the more 'direct' your opener can be.

Situational is a lot more 'safe' because you give them time to become attracted based on how you behave, and you never truly crash and burn.

So, do some direct just for shits and giggles, they are good for outcome independence mentality ;-)

TofuTofu · 2011-08-21T18:59:48+00:00

Direct can be pretty awesome, especially during day game.

Just do whatever you enjoy the most.

Naga14 · 2011-08-22T01:33:00+00:00

Neither is best. It depends on your confidence and body language, and also how high value the girl is. Sometimes doing a direct opener on an HB7 makes them melt if you are confident, since these girls don't always have guys lining up like HB8 and 9 might.

Also, as mentioned, it is different for day and night game.

ImKumarYo · 2011-08-21T18:47:29+00:00

Direct > situational > opinion.

For me personally at least

awesomedeluxe · 2011-08-22T14:52:21+00:00

Direct is fun too. When I come up to a girl on the street and say "hey i think you're cute" I don't have to hesitate for a second to think of what to say. I'm just saying what's on my mind.

rmbarnes · 2011-08-21T20:44:27+00:00

Depends what you mean by effective. Situational openers will hook more sets, but that doesn't mean they're more effective, as the only real result is an fclose.

Title	Does anyone else find situational openers far more effective than direct?
Author	magicroot75
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Date	August 21, 2011 6:35 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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