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[–]ImmortalWarBear 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If it is somebody you are dating and are trying to hold their hand for the first time, "THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR HAND!, then grab their hand (not to forcefully) look in their palm and say, "oh, its just empty".
Its cheesy, but it always gets a smile and laugh
[–]Paul_Langton 9 points10 points11 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And now I realize that when she tried to get me to show her my nails, I shouldn't have refused the several attempts she gave..
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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you ask about her nails, she might think your gay and not sleep with you, i advise against this.
[–]cody_au 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You'll probably need someone experienced in your area to show you in real life.
But the long and short of it is your hand should be on them, and stay on them for most of the time, from about 30s onwards. Anything else is doing it wrong.
[–]intjpua 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's too much pull and not enough push. Give her a chance to pursue you. Hug, and then push her away. Hand on her knee or thigh, and then give her a light slap or shove when she says something sassy or goofy. Being nothing but hands on is needy.
It is good to be assertive, and even aggressive. But, it's not good to be predictable or needy.
[–]cody_au 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The ebb and flow of the conversation (and story telling, when people use their hands a lot), moving around the club, taking pictures with your phone, will all naturally warrant removal of hands.
Meanwhile there's an escalation process from back / upper arms / hands / legs / shoulders / face so they don't get skittish, and your hand isn't a lump of dead meat stuck to them and weighing them down.
But the important thing is to have the touching there from the get go, to not be afraid to leave it there or take it away if you feel it's too much. Many interactions will be OVER from the beginning because you didn't make contact with the girl during that all important first few minutes, then you've gone to touch her and - BAM - she realises what you're doing and it's all done.
Hell, even standing side to side with a girl (e.g. leaning at a table) and having your arm against her arm is enough.
Not to put down push pull, I used that all the time. I was around when it was labelled, if that means anything ;-) However putting your hands on someone is not necessarily needy, nor predictable.
It may have a lot to do with your style and what kind of girl you're going after. I'm a tender guy and I like nice girls. And I get them.
[–]Xstream2 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Its honestly the exact same feeling/process as learning to approach, it feels very uncomfortable at first, but after you do it enough you realize that the girls don't freak out (like you pictured in your mind), same goes for eye contact, just keep doing it... you'll have to force yourself at first but it becomes super instinctive and natural VERY quickly once you realize its no big deal
[–]wtjones 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
approach and eye contact are not problems at all for me. I'm just super uncomfortable with touch. I'll just give it a go.
[–]Xstream2 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I started (and still make a habit) by touching the girls hand/should/forearm when I'm emphasizing a point. Once you're comfortable with that, move on to also touch her back (e.g. if its loud and she can't hear me, I'll put my hand on her back and pull her towards me so she can hear)
[–]marco161091 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're wondering whether you should do something (like touching her arm, grabbing her by the waist, etc), you should most probably go ahead and do it.
You might exceed the comfort zone of some girls but eventually you'll calibrate yourself.
Just make sure that the first time you touch some new body part, don't let your touch linger. And escalate from there.
Also, take a look at the DiCarlo escalation ladder. Google it. It's a free ebook.
[–]MetaSnow 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have always gone for the shoulder or hand touch very quickly and lightly. As long as no negative reaction is perceived, I will go for anything else I want. This is also day game. In the club, I basically start wherever except for the face and neck. Lower back is almost always a good start for any part of conversation.
[–]30vanquish 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's something I need to work on too but one of my biggest successes was when a girl had a watch on and I took her wrist near her watch and said: "Let's see if you're good with the time. What time is it?" And I cover her watch and hold it. Good KINO tactic.
[–]AdverbVerb 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That sounds like a bit of a line to me. How have you used it before?
[–]30vanquish 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not an opener, I used it after talking with her a few minutes and we were talking about her class schedule, then changed it to a game of her knowing the time.
[–]AdverbVerb 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just because you FEEL creepy doesn't mean you ARE creepy. If a girl is interested or even neutral, she'll just go with it.
Clasp both hands when you shake, touch her on her shoulder to introduce yourself, grab an arm or wrist, etc. to look at her watch/ nail varnish or whatever.
If you think it's creepy, you'll make it creepy. even if you learn how to do the simple things, you have to get out of the mindset of thinking it's creepy.
[–]zkatkin 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just try it... you can even make it a point of making it overt if you do it playfully...
[–]revbobdobbs 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Take dance lessons.
Do latin dance. Do contact improve.
You already know how to touch people naturally. It's just that that ability is repressed in you. Learning to dance with other bodies will help you get comfortable with them.
[–]Edgar_Allan_Rich 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everything posted thus far is gold. I'd like to add that touching is more accepted in certain situations. Fun situations, hell yeah, no holds barred unless they, well, bar you. Day game is different and that is where you need an "excuse" or game or something. Once that threshold has been breached though, you're good.
No matter what though, make sure the touch is CONFIDENT. A half-ass touch is a sign of nervousness that will be interpreted negatively without her actually thinking about it.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just do it. Start w/ light touching on shoulder and kino from there, or like tap her arm to get her attention.
It takes baby steps, but eventually it will feel fine and normal.
It only feels creepy to you. Seriously it is all in your head.
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lol just read the topic title and burst into laughter
[–]ImmortalWarBear 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I downvoted you for being an ass, then read it myself and laughed as well. so im right here with ya.
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