Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?

lonGterMgoalS · 2014-08-02T19:13:36+00:00

Where in the sidebar did it say you should lie?

AllOrDeath · 2014-08-02T21:08:26+00:00

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myTRPaccount · 2014-08-02T21:11:13+00:00

TRP advocates improving yourself so that you become sexually attractive. When you are sexually attractive, you don't need to lie to get women.

kami_kakushi · 2014-08-02T20:02:17+00:00

yeah, im always just totally direct with women. i just ask em out straight, and never lie about anything.

works fine for me.

motorcyclematt · 2014-08-02T21:29:03+00:00

C'mon man.

TooMuchToDoo · 2014-08-02T22:06:29+00:00

To address a problem you've brought up a couple times in this thread, I strongly advise continue reading the material in this community. Through osmosis, and a desire to better yourself, you will naturally absorb the mindset that you've been looking to internalize.

You've mentioned having trouble internalizing. The best advice I can give you is to "unplug" yourself from everything that is detrimental to your cause (in this case developing the mindset of a better man) and plugging yourself into everything that will help you along. This ESPECIALLY includes who you interact with on a day-to-day basis; just remember that you are who your friends and family are.

AllOrDeath · 2014-08-03T18:40:56+00:00

A quote relevant to this discussion. It's from a fiction book, so it's not some cited source or whatever bullshit, but it pretty much summarizes this exchange and what you're getting wrong about it all:

Breeze: Well, let us begin, then. First, you must understand that Soothing is about more than just Allomancy. It's about the delicate and noble art of manipulation.

Vin: Noble indeed.

Breeze: Ah, you sound like one of them.

Vin: Them who?

Breeze: Them everyone else. You saw how that skaa gentleman treated me? People don't like us, my dear. The idea of someone who can play with their emotions, who can 'mystically' get them to do certain things, makes them uncomfortable. What they do not realize—and what you must realize—is that manipulating others is something that all people do. In fact, manipulation is at the core of our social interaction.

Breeze: Think about it. What is a man doing when he seeks the affection of a young lady? Why, he is trying to manipulate her to regard him favorably. What happens when two old friends sit down for a drink? They tell stories, trying to impress each other. Life as a human being is about posturing and influence. This isn't a bad thing—in fact, we depend upon it. These interactions teach us how to respond to others.

Breeze: The difference between Soothers and regular people is that we are aware of what we're doing. We also have a slight . . . advantage. But, is it really that much more 'powerful' than having a charismatic personality or a fine set of teeth? I think not.

Point being: Literally everything about social interaction involves manipulation. Whether you're buying a girl a box of chocolates or ignoring her phone calls, the motivation is the same: You want her to want you. They're both manipulative, one of them is just the kind of manipulative that fits into your own moral narrative.

From your other comments it's pretty clear that your form of manipulation is not getting the results you'd like. In that case, your options are twofold: Stop socializing with people (which it seems has been your current solution from what I've read elsewhere in the comments), or change your approach. Which doesn't necessarily mean following TRP theory or anything. Just stop doing what doesn't work and try something else and see if that does work.

AllOrDeath · 2014-08-02T21:05:56+00:00

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redpillshadow · 2014-08-02T19:10:17+00:00

If you label all working seduction as dishonest of course not. And in the end that is your current mind set.

MetacognitiveMan · 2014-08-02T19:32:08+00:00

Yes. Be a man of few words. Be a man of action.

648262 · 2014-08-03T12:17:47+00:00

I've read through some of the discussions you are having in this thread. You're having issues with a very simple concept that is often preached around here. It is:

Fake it until you make it.

As an example: It means you should pretend to be confident when you are not, so that you can experience the results of a confident man and actually be confident.

Or it means to act like this one girl you are interested in is not so interesting because there are billions of other women available to you.

It is not a requirement to do these things to attract women.

But it makes it easier in the beginning. Your goal should be to be a confident man who other people find attractive and you can spend time building up yourself to be this. Once you reach a level of attractiveness that you are comfortable with you can start to approach women you are interested in. Part of the game is to practice your social skills with women so you'll probably fail a bit in the start, but it's just practice.

Good luck.

PS: read Models by Mark Manson. It's exactly what you're looking for.

aguy01 · 2014-08-02T18:59:00+00:00

Yea, but she will be lower SMV than what you would get by being what she wants.

anonlymouse · 2014-08-02T21:44:20+00:00

Absolutely. She's expecting to be seduced, so you can be quite open about it - just don't give her a play by play of what you're doing. The point of TRP is to be someone that she wants to be seduced by.

alreadyredschool · 2014-08-02T22:04:18+00:00

stoic_style · 2014-08-02T23:36:20+00:00

You can get a women without lying, she may be slutty or looking for a beta provider. Is that what you want?

You can get a girl you really want without lying, but the truth has to be what hits all her interests: your SMV without lying has to be high enough for her.

That being said, TRP is amoral. It is a means to an end - maximizing your value in the SMP. If you can't accept that then TRP isn't for you.

Furthermore, do you think girls are telling you the truth? Why would you want to play this game with more limitations than them?

Read this.

j0hnan0n · 2014-08-03T00:05:47+00:00

The short answer to your question is yes. But it might take you more time to get used to the RP mode of thought. There's going to be some growing pains before you get used to it. Look at it this way if it helps: the point isn't to fabricate a different, better person and sell yourself as that person. The point is to present and highlight your strengths, while actively working on your weaknesses. The easiest example is your body itself; if you're not muscular, you don't lie and say you are. Just lift and workout towards the build you want to have.

Hope that helps.

AllOrDeath · 2014-08-03T00:06:39+00:00

Theoretical question for you: What if tomorrow I decided to live with the morals of Jesus? Every time I was faced with a decision, I'd simply do whatever Jesus would do and carry on.

After some years of this behavior, I would exhibit the behavior of Jesus without needing to particularly think about it. It would be a habit and my personality. To any observer, I would appear to be exactly like Jesus and for all purposes it would be true.

At what point does it cross from an act to who you are?

Reasoning on that point may help you resolve your cognitive dissonance.

yesterdayz_garbage · 2014-08-03T01:18:34+00:00

Absolutely. What I tend to do is have a conversation about the truth about men, similar to Patrice O' Neal's karate class. Women are intrigued and by me being a man, they eventually deduce that if they were with me, they'd be part of my karate class. Of course your confidence needs to be strong and what you say needs to be believed by you in order to convince a woman. When you don't lie to women, they can't pull the "you lied to me card."

thebuddhalifts · 2014-09-16T13:02:00+00:00

ITT: A gerbil

AllOrDeath · 2014-08-02T19:10:22+00:00

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[deleted] · 2014-08-02T22:11:23+00:00

Noone is telling to lie.

Title	Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?
Author	AllOrDeath
Upvotes	6
Comments	175
Date	August 2, 2014 6:45 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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