Redpillers Over 30: What Advice Would You Give A 20 Year-Old?

fnordsnord · 2015-01-02T10:03:29+00:00

In your degree program you will gain knowledge and technical skills in your classes, but the most important thing you will take away from college with you will be your network of personal contacts.

Actively pursue friendships with the men in your classes and get to know your professors. I wish I had joined a fraternity.

You see, when it comes to career advancement, who you know really IS more important that WHAT you know. When I'm hiring I am faced with a pile of resumes that include recommendations from people I don't know.

The person I am most likely to hire is the person who is vouched for by someone I know.

Be that guy-who-knows-a-guy.

elysius · 2015-01-02T14:34:16+00:00

So this got unbelievably long, but I think it's well worth it. I'm 34 now, divorced, and I wish I had read something like this when I was your age.

Most of the advice here is telling you to forget about women and focus on your self development first, which is great advice and something you should always do, but incomplete.

If you do that, and only that -- as one poster said, focus on STATUS first and the women will follow -- you will indeed find no shortage of women once you are graduated and making the big bucks. However, you will find that most of the interest will come from women nearing The Wall, or the end of her most attractive years, when she can get the best suitors. Which means the interest is there because she's seeing you as a provider, or the "beta bucks" in the Beta Bucks/Alpha Fucks female sexual strategy. It means she rode the Cock Carousel for as long as she could and is now looking for an exit strategy. Lucky for her you came along: fit, successful, naive. Quite a catch.

And naive is exactly what you're going to be unless you have a high notch count by the time you meet her. You might read as much TRP as you want, but this stuff is tough to internalize: it goes against everything we've been taught by society from birth, and it's literally hacking evolution to work in our favor, meaning it goes against the very nature of most of us, which were bred to be beta bucks because any community benefits more from a higher number of betas than of alphas.

So pretty much the only way you can internalize this without losing all respect for women, or being perpetually angry with them, is to fuck a lot of women. Only then you will KNOW, not fear, that AWALT (All Women Are Like That), and will come to accept them for who they are and what they can truly give you.

If you focus on your studies, that's all well and good, but our time, energy and resources are limited, so one thing always comes at the expense of another, and your academic and professional success will inevitably come at the expense of social and seduction prowess (unless you're a natural or alpha, which by you asking for advice here doesn't seem to be the case).

If you focus on status, and status alone (which I'm assuming is meant to include accomplishments, about you having a fulfilling life without women first), you will lack the stuff that makes women wet, that makes women truly desire YOU, and not your status. Then one day your wife will fuck the poolboy, an illegal immigrant without a penny to his name, which she doesn't even know what it is, just because he knows how to get her wet. Everything she wants from him is his manhood.

What we, as men, truly need from women is respect and DESIRE, and we only learn how to command those things from practice. Practice with other people. By getting a lot of women wanting to fuck you, submit to you, beg you to fuck them in the ass, beg you to piss all over their face, text you while they're out with their husbands and boyfriends about how desperately they want to gag on your cock. Only when you really know how to bring that out of women on command will you feel truly powerful with women. And you will not, can not, get this from a bachelor's in mathematics with a concentration in math of computation. I'm in Computer Science -- believe me, I know.

Otherwise you will always have that nagging thought at the back your mind: does she want me or my car? My apartment? My awesome life? Think about it like this: if you go for status first, it will be like getting pussy at the cost of a college education and an 100k salary, while other men fucked that pussy first, when it was even higher quality, for much, much cheaper. You will be a man who needs a degree and a Ferrari to get pussy, instead of a man who gets pussy simply because women just want to get fucked by him.

And never underestimate how important pussy/feeling desired is to a normal functioning human male. Unless you have a weird fetish for power, knowing you can talk to any woman you fancy without her thinking you're weird, and maybe even getting her attracted to you, can give you confidence like nothing else in this world. Who do you think has more male self-esteem, Bill Gates, or a convict behind bars with a face tattoo and without a penny to his name, but with 3 baby mamas who visit him in jail every week and fight over him on Facebook? Bill Gates, in order to get laid, had to become fucking Bill Gates. That other guy simply had women wanting to get fucked by him -- everything they want from him is his manhood.

Unless you experience this-- feminine awe and desire for your manhood, and nothing else --, you will never fell truly powerful or complete, regardless of how much money or status you manage to amass.

Now, this is a place for men who come from a place of lack, a mindset of scarcity, men who got fucked over by women one too many times. So we focus on self-development here, of putting yourself first, because most people in here are already predisposed to put women on a pedestal, and that's what got them in trouble. So when they read what I said above, most of them will go SO THAT'S IT, I NEED TO BECOME WHAT WOMEN WANT!!! and then his desire for women will take over his life just the same, he will continue coming from a place of lack, and he won't be any better off than when he started.

So, listen to what the other guys are saying: disregard bitches, acquire currency. But also listen to me: don't ever neglect developing your pussy-slaying (or people-commandeering) skills, or you will inevitably find yourself in situations that you're ill-equipped to handle.

Also, if the day comes that you feel the need to settle down (which is something I really don't advise, but I understand that we're human, and that a lifetime of hustle is simply not in the nature of many of us), it will likely be with a woman who had at least 20+ cocks before you. This is a very conservative assessment right now, and odds are it will be even more conservative a couple decades from now, probably even unrealistic. Now, if you're like most men, you will be lucky if you had 10+ pussies before her. If you're like most men in mathematics with a concentration in math of computation, you're lucky if you had 1.

This poses a problem. The one with the most lays has the most power. Every other day some guy over on /r/relationships asks about how to deal with the sexual past of the love of his life. Don't be that guy. The simple truth is that the only way this will not be an issue for you is if your number is higher than your woman's. The greater the difference, the better. She's the one who needs to fear her partner's sexual past, she's the one who needs to know her partner has options. That's the only way she'll act right.

College is the best time and environment to really drive that number up, way up. Your future wife (if any) will probably be doing just that at the same time. I'm 34 now and wouldn't miss that opportunity if I were you.

So don't disregard pussy, but don't let it take over your life. And please, for the love of god, don't get married before 40, if ever.

Kalepsis · 2015-01-02T10:42:44+00:00

The one piece of advice I'd give any man in his twenties is to NOT GET MARRIED. Regardless of career path, personal success, or any other factors, there is absolutely no advantage to marriage.

I'm 32, and I came to the RP philosophy late in life, naturally, after learning from personal mistakes. Even clearing $4400 a month I struggle to pay all my bills because of the mountain of debt from my ex-wife. You don't want to live paycheck-to-paycheck with less than $100 in savings like me. So don't do it.

bsutansalt · 2015-01-02T06:52:21+00:00

Learn a second language, perhaps something useful in Eastern Europe/Baltics.
Pay yourself first and build a solid 6-12 month emergency fund
Stay the hell away from fast food and credit cards. Neither does you any favors in the long run, and can take years to undo the damage they cause if you let them get out of hand.
FOCUS ON BUILDING YOUR EMPIRE. Instead of chasing women like so many guys do, chase STATUS. Once you attain status/power/fame, the women will come to you.

CrimsonCapsule · 2015-01-02T10:27:39+00:00

Take care of your teeth. Brush, floss, whiten. The condition of your teeth has all kinds of social and class implications.

JackGetsIt · 2015-01-02T17:28:35+00:00

Money: Watch this over and over, take notes and internalize the information. Read this. Live within your means.

Social Contacts: Fnordsnord covered it. Also read "How to Win Friends and Influence People." Actually take notes, practice what you read and reread. Read this blog post.

Women: You're already on redpill so you're probably pretty set on knowledge there. Read this, this, and this anyway. Internalize, practice, reread.

Life: Two suggestions, 1) Your first reaction to things isn't always the right reaction. 2) Prepare to fail. Skipped a gym visit or missed a lift? Chump = give up. Man = you were prepared for this it doesn't phase you. You're back at it tomorrow. Narrow your life to a few important things and work daily on them. Don't overdo it just plod along. All the greatest achievements in life are done with steady hard work. Read this

Career: Every two-four weeks or so update your resume (keep two versions of your resume, a super long form with absolutely every reference, accomplishments, phone number, address, date, etc and a super short form single page one with all the highlights, make it pretty) and glance for either a higher paying job within your field or a higher status job. Always secure a new job before leaving an old one. If you're still in college or decide to go back, pick a career field that will be in demand when you graduate. Start applying while you are still in school. Read this.

Organization: buy a simple small 2 drawer filing cabinet and manilla folders, put important docs in there. Digitize super important docs. Clean it out every once in a while. Watch this.

Study habits/learning habits: I don't really have time to go into this in any detail but go to everyclass. Take comprehensive notes, ask a shit ton of questions, bounce new things you're learning off people and discuss it as much as possible. Find people that know the material better than you and spend time with them. Take those notes you wrote and get a piece of paper. Draw three columns. Right column is most important info that might be on test/eval, center column is that same info in short hand, left column is a visual representation of the information that might help you daisy chain memorize it. This is my own technique so PM if you'd like more clarification. Turn every assignment in no matter how poor the quality. Last but not least one more time prepare to fail. Talk to your boss or professor if you're slipping; our first impulse is to turn inward and blame yourself and not seek others to help because it looks weak. Like I said your first reaction/feeling isn't always the right one. Prepare to fail. Be antifragile. Good luck; you don't need it if you apply yourself, plan, and work diligently.

Edit: One last thing. Statistically you will live a long time. Think with your future self in mind everyday.

alpha_n3rd · 2015-01-02T12:51:12+00:00

Wait until you're 30 to get married and marry a younger girl.

CarpeDiem807 · 2015-01-02T17:15:42+00:00

DO. NOT. GET. MARRIED.

AFPJ · 2015-01-02T19:59:02+00:00

Live by the 80/20 rule - 80% of results from 20% of the effort. Above all, be well rounded.

Perceptions are reality. Perception drives desire which dictates value. Your desireability to women is your value to women. This doesn't have much to do with your career. Genetics are a big part of it, but if you want to get a good deal out of associating with women you'll need to be stoic, polarizingly masculine and skilled at dealing with women.

What you do and how much you earn doesn't matter to women until they're past their reproductive prime.

Next up, discipline: it's hard - VERY hard. Those who've mastered and are the least bit intelligent it stand at the top while the middle and bottom is littered by brilliant losers. It is so because they are undisciplined. The older I get the more I realize why great cultures viewed it as a virtue. Discipline is the capacity to transcend our animal nature, it is what differentiates us from beasts. It is the ability to override our urges and instincts as we see fit.

Master discipline and you will undoubtedly rise far above your former peers and get close to your potential.

3rt41 · 2015-01-02T07:48:30+00:00

Disregard women and their bullcraps, work on yourself, build your persona, get a wonderful job and build your body like a temple. Learn the discipline of martial arts, understand that most people are plain bad. Learn to detect the good ones and make them the planets of your own system. Only get going with high value women, you will be able to spot them only if you learn all of the above. Be the commander of your own ship. Live by this motto and you will be ok.

momomotorboat · 2015-01-02T14:50:33+00:00

Be unafraid. See failures as an unsuccessful attempt, like something to learn from and never let them stick to your mind like a crippling concern that embarrasses you.

Act natural around women, like you've already slept with them or like you're a good friend. Take the pussy off the pedestal and put yourself on it.

Value yourself and your time. Do things in your time that're valuable.

Talk to everyone for the sake of good conversation. Have tons of female acquaintances. Having those alone will make you that much more desirable to the women who want you.

WORK OUT GODDAMN IT.

drallcom3 · 2015-01-02T16:03:04+00:00

Europe here, college/university is practically free here. Get a good degree from a college/university. Many things you learn there are useless, but it's all about the degree. It's not so difficult to get a good one. Do something solid, no liberal arts crap. You can do that as a hobby.

Switch you company every 2-3 years to maximize profits.

Learning a solid trade skill is a good alternative to a degree.

Don't get a gf and don't spend money or too much time on women. They're useless moneysinks and ironically you'll have more success with women the less you care about them.

Try to maintain 2-3 good male friends. It's a bit of work sometimes, but totally worth it. Don't try to have too many close friends. Focus is the key.

Avoid 30+ yo women. They really only want kids or are stating to become unattractive. There are plenty of good 25-28 yos out there who don't care that you're in your early 30s, once you've done all of the above.

[deleted] · 2015-01-02T16:09:18+00:00

GET OUT OF MY YARD! YAWR!

jcrpta · 2015-01-02T22:29:02+00:00

Well, let's see. I'm 35, but only came to RP a year ago.

I think if I had one piece of advice for myself at your age, I'd say this: It is fantastically easy to get to a certain point in life and once you hit that point, you just drift.

You've got your qualification, you've got a few years work experience, you're being paid reasonably well, you've got your LTR/wife, you've got your house and you just.... take your foot off the accelerator.

It creeps up on you - and before you know it, your last promotion was five years ago, your only "hobby" (if you can call it that) is surfing the internet, your sex life has dwindled to once a month and you're 52lb over your ideal weight.

At this point, you are looking at a minimum of 6-12 months hard work just to get yourself in some semblance of order - and that assumes you recognise all the problems you've built up and you're able to tackle them head on fairly promptly.

Clue: If you have this level of self-awareness, you'd never have got to that point in the first place. So it's very likely to take considerably longer because you've got so used to drifting you have to re-learn self discipline.

sampson158 · 2015-01-02T08:52:22+00:00

bag it before you tag it and if you ever do decide you have found one worth putting a ring on, make her sign a prenup. If she truly wants you for you and to be faithfull, etd, etc. then she'll sign without hesitation.

InformalCriticism · 2015-01-02T11:32:37+00:00

I'm 29. If I could give you anything worth while, it would be to not worry about girls "too" much. You might feel like they're on your mind a lot. This won't change, but you need to realize that getting the girl(s) you want is going to come by focusing on yourself, your career, and your attitude about life (SMV).

It's been said already, but networking is going to do all of those things for you.

You're not going to know who's the best person to know; just know everyone and it's going to come down to luck - the point at which preparation and opportunity come together. Don't have your dick in your hand when opportunity comes knocking.

vorverk · 2015-01-02T15:36:05+00:00

Besides common TRP advice,... learn and practice social skills. Good school will get you to become a great engineer. Good engineer with excellent social skills will climb career ladders fastest, will lead great teams, have good social life, good relations with employees, neighbors and bartenders on overseas cruise. Oh, and good social skills will get you laid.

animalpoo · 2015-01-03T00:03:32+00:00

I'm in my early twenties and now that I have a good career started (number one priority), I'm now focusing on a few other things to set me up for life.

Start a small side business to improve your finances. This is usually done by exploiting a Hobby or interest of yours. For example a friend of mine buys old ford cars for 1k , strips them apart and sells the pieces individually and makes a 2k return on average. He does this in his weekends and some evenings. He taught himself everything he needs to know about cars.

When you've got enough money buy a house. Either get a house with 3 rooms and rent the other 2 out and live rent free whilst getting people to pay off your mortgage. Option 2 research what area of your country property is going to increase In value the most. Buy a house you can afford, rent it out and sell a few years down the line.

[deleted] · 2015-01-03T02:49:08+00:00

lift

Telly_Valentino · 2015-01-02T05:54:27+00:00

I would recommend that you learn what you can about actual red pill from places other than this subreddit. This sub has deteriorated into a place that is counterproductive to someone who is looking to correctly apply red pill ideas in their lives.

Figure out the reading material and seek out that stuff elsewhere. And don't come back to this sub.

Title	Redpillers Over 30: What Advice Would You Give A 20 Year-Old?
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