what’s the endgame?

NAWALT_VADER · 2024-05-08T23:25:23+00:00

To quote the feminists: "A man needs a woman like a fish needs a bicycle."

You don't need women in your life. Women are optional. There is no need to fear them, but there is also no need to interact with them in any way if you choose not to do so. You have no obligations towards women.

There are many good women out there. Maybe you can find one. There are also many bad women out there. I don't blame you if you view the mix of them "like a bowl of chocolates where half are poison", to quote the feminists again. It could be a big life risk to dip into that bowl for a taste. That is a choice, and that choice is yours to make.

The endgame for many men used to be marriage, but now that fails over 50% of the time too. That is like betting your life on a coin flip. Toxic matrimony. Seems like a foolish pursuit.

The new endgame should be for men to focus on themselves. Build your shelter, build up your resources, buy your toys, invest in yourself and enjoy life. Women should not be the goal. You are the goal.

63daddy · 2024-05-08T15:49:39+00:00

The hopeful endgame is equal rights and fair treatment for men, which would hopefully mean there’s no need to avoid women.

HotwheelsJackOfficia · 2024-05-08T18:07:28+00:00

what's the game plan

Make money and indulge in hobbies for me. I have expensive taste in model cars.

Common-Ferret-1435 · 2024-05-08T16:32:12+00:00

Just avoid legal problems and you’re fine.

I’d hate to go all mgtow, it 99% of legal problems is solved by being “paranoid” and viewing women under perpetual suspicion of malice

Now I’m not saying this is the right thing to do.

But it is successful. Elevators? No way. Closed door offices? No way. Going to the gym where women go? Nope.

Helping women in any way? No can do. Hot chick with a flat on the side of the road? Sounds like AAA’s problem.

Is it nice? No sense of community? Nope. Empathy? Empathy is great in theory, but it only goes one direction. Receiving empathy doesn’t happen.

That being said, what I do is never approach women. Ever. If they’re interested they’ll let me know. Otherwise they do t want me talking to them.

In any business situation it’s cold, sterile, and recorded. If they don’t appreciate it? I’ll gk talk to HR and lodge a complaint.

It’s show business, not show friends. And unless you’re in a job that doesn’t matter to you. Like washing dishes. Avoid the problem.

Not happy with the laws affecting marriage? Avoid it. Laws about talking to a woman when she starts lying about what happened? Stay away from them.

Worried about you career? Open doors and cameras rolling for her safety. It’s amazing how having cameras rolling prevents rape in the work place.

Tired of being banned, blocked, and deplatformed by sociopaths? They’ll do it. So never talk to them. Never address them. Don’t. Moment or reply to them. Ostracize them. It’s not like they care, they hate you.

Now is all this paranoid schizophrenia? Absolutely. Unfortunately sometimes you have to be in your guard. Sometimes you have to make tough decisions. Sometimes Tonka e to engage in risk management.

Do all women engage in sociopathy on the daily? No.

But enough do.

So you determine your risk appetite and risk mitigation.

Asatmaya · 2024-05-08T15:43:02+00:00

No one ever promised that the world would be fair, so we just have to deal with it as best we can.

I've been through this; I spent years in hell because of a couple of women, one malicious and one just unreliable, but it ended. I'm having to pick up the pieces, my health, especially, but how is this different than if an employer or police officer had cheated me out of money or caused injury? Why should we be more upset about one situation than the other?

There are a lot of problems in the world, and I speak out about any that I see, but we still have to live in that world.

RingosTurdFace · 2024-05-08T18:29:17+00:00

Enough of us unite and a) with a combined voice win recognition for the gender specific issues which men face and b) create organisations that are accepted enough by the institutions and machinery of our governments that they can influence policy and lobby for recognition of mens issues and actions to address them (so in sort, what “equality feminism’s” original aims for women were.

I’m cracking on a bit now and can see the growth of this sub and our “movement” - more and more men (and women) than ever recognise men’s issues whereas 10+ years ago most people would nave branded you a misogynist for bringing any of this up.

Mainstream media is still pretty hostile, but even there men’s issues are increasingly getting positive coverage…

AwesomeBro_exe · 2024-05-08T21:02:33+00:00

I say if you aren't physically attractive, tall, and/or white avoiding women entirely is not a bad idea and can save you lots of trouble. Even for men who are these things, they should be careful. The way things seem to be, we will be seeing either AI companions and/or a homoromantic society as our solutions.

Serious_Eggplant8792 · 2024-05-08T18:59:34+00:00

Endgame ?? Chill out just chill out go to a more or less safe country , hang out with your friends , see people without gender , if you cant get sexual gratification its fine go on a hike somewhere , find a hobby , help people , I am sure you will meet many wonderful people like that because in the end just as humans are cruel humans are beautiful try it just a niche hobby no mainstream shit hiking etc .

DutchOnionKnight · 2024-05-08T21:38:53+00:00

If you think you need to avoid women, thats up to you.

I don't think thats the answer, for a good and healthy society we need eachother more than we think.

The endgame is raise awarness amomg those who arent aware, and fight for equal rights and treatment. Especially in law, imo. The fact a man can spend 20years in jail because some woman falsely accused him, and she walk free, even after things came out is beyond cruel and unfair.

Scarce12 · 2024-05-08T21:54:14+00:00

You don't need to avoid people just because of those who express hatred toward you.

Misandry exists but we don't need to give it power.

Saerain · 2024-05-08T21:19:20+00:00

As with everything else, I think there comes a point where new tech has to form a new bedrock, and we're a bit overdue with gender relations.

abramN · 2024-05-08T22:07:35+00:00

to me, a married man with two young boys, the endgame is to help the next generation to learn the values that will help them to succeed in life, make the best decisions to optimize their happiness, and to quickly screen out the people (men and women) that would make them miserable long term. I am optimistic that there are still women out there that don't automatically view all men as being evil and toxic, but I think we need to teach the future men how to better identify and reject the ones that do.

northdakotact · 2024-05-08T23:54:21+00:00

The endgame, should be the destruction of commitment and marriage. Anything that makes woman create videos of them crying saying they are tired of playing games should be the focus. Of course this is hookup culture, causual focused on sex with no commitment and definitely no marriage.

No marriages, no committment, hookup culture only.

No-Avocado-533 · 2024-05-09T03:00:37+00:00

If history is any indication:

We end up having to oppress women again to get society back on its feet.

Tiny_Professional358 · 2024-05-09T07:35:00+00:00

The endgame is to enjoy life.

throwawayoldaolcd · 2024-05-09T10:24:20+00:00

Historically, you can go back to the Progressive Era in the US. Women gained the right to vote.

You also have President Theodore Roosevelt. He started college sports. He was a rough rider. We find a leader with a vision. He’ll paint a picture of the endgame.

People want that to be Trump. I want someone else.

welshrebel1776 · 2024-05-10T08:31:17+00:00

I’ve seen a lot of men going their own way during to having negative experiences with women, I’ve had my own negative and positive experiences and I am indifferent really.

I’ve had more negative experiences with women who are my age 20-25, I tend to find it easier to be around women who are older I don’t know why but it’s easier for me to get along with them

I don’t really interact with men in my everyday life the only male friends I have are from the pub and a couple in work, most of my colleagues are women maybe 2 in 10 are men in work

LopsidedDatabase8912 · 2024-05-10T09:48:10+00:00

The endgame is be informed.

You can do anything you can still do today, but with better information.

There will be 3 main effects.

The elements of your life that include women will improve because you'll engage with them on better terms.
You'll understand when to avoid women (the times when you don't have better terms), which means you'll find opportunities to improve the elements of your life that don't include women.
All men will get better treatment from all women. Because while only 0.1% of the population can identify as an MRA, there's an Overton Window and we're the "extemists" who lean on it and help move it farther over. So just continue to advocate for what you know from here. Be patient with the moderates. Men's rights is not for the easily discouraged. Indeed, it may be the case that it's always a losing battle. That might be a biological predetermination. That the kind of fairness that we want is just impossible. But that doesn't mean that the cause is futile.

Former_Range_1730 · 2024-05-11T06:52:29+00:00

I don't know why people keep treating women as some kind of monolith, and avoid talking about the sexuality differences in women, and how that highly contributes to whether or not they favor men.

The end game is to avoid one demographic of women, in place with the demographic who like and value men.

Proof_Option1386 · 2024-05-08T17:51:52+00:00

An innocent interaction with a woman can land you in jail with no due process based on what she claimed you said or did. False sexual allegations can land you in jail as well. Literally ANY sort of interaction with a woman can land you in big trouble. She just has to point a finger at you, and you're done.

All these things are true, but so what? What you are missing in your calculus is *likelihood*. We've all read horror stories about false accusations and men's lives being ruined. They are abhorrent and disgusting and incredibly unsettling. That doesn't mean they are common. That doesn't mean that they are likely.

All welds will eventually fail due to metal fatigue. The failure of a weld is largely random and unpredictable, just like the decay rate for a radioactive substance. And yet...given a certain time period, we can start to speak with some accuracy about the likelihood of failure. A shockingly high % of the bridges in this country (and that includes the really small ones!) are so old that their likelihood of failure is quite high. And yet, millions of people cross those bridges every day, and very very few of them have anything happen to them.

I bring this up to suggest two things: one, you should be more afraid of a bridge failing while you are on it than you should be of being falsely accused by a woman; and two, that since you aren't terrified of bridge failure, you need to dial it way back on your fear of false accusations.

It's a possibility, and a scary one. But that doesn't excuse being alarmist about it. Allow your fear to guide you into more cautious behavior around women. Avoid red flags. Don't put yourself in risky situations. Not only is that what you *should* do, it's the best thing you *can* do. Also, never spend time with other people's kids unsupervised. Period.

The_Glass_Arrow · 2024-05-08T18:27:09+00:00

Whats hoped for : equal rights and understanding.

Whats happening? Info sharing, education for the general public.

AwesomeBro_exe · 2024-05-08T21:05:28+00:00

I say if you aren't physically attractive, tall, and/or white avoiding women entirely is not a bad idea and can save you lots of trouble. Even for men who are these things, they should be careful. The way things seem to be, we will be seeing either AI companions and/or a homoromantic society as our solutions.

InPrinciple63 · 2024-05-09T00:22:53+00:00

Women are just starting to get a taste for their power, however power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Unfortunately you can't tell a woman this in a way that she will accept reason before her own emotions, so it is just going to get worse. Men can't oppose unreason, because they will simply be called misogynists.

I'm not convinced men will be able to stem the rot until things start to collapse and women realise, although I hope I am wrong.

I think men should try to oppose it, but also protect themselves as best they can and seek fulfilment of fundamental needs via other sources.

I'm actually wondering if this might result in men grouping together to work together, but not as an organisation that is subject to anti-discrimination legislation that allows women to force themselves in.

It's going to be okay for the Chads of this world as they can have their pick of women who will do anything for them, but its the non-selected men who need to do something for themselves.

Ill_Connection1631 · 2024-05-09T03:18:58+00:00

Don’t drug and date rape women. Don’t take advantage of a woman if she passes out. Treat women and men both how you wish to be treated. Don’t touch without asking. Consent for the win. Don’t victim blame and say it is women’s fault that men rape and kill them. Don’t go into women’s private spaces like restrooms, gym changing rooms and showers and don’t pretend you are a woman so you can be put into a woman’s prison and then rape and impregnate women. Don’t attack, sexually assault, beat or murder women. Don’t follow or stalk women. Respect when a woman says no and stop. Do not continue because this is rape.

Basically treat women as you would a man and show them respect and don’t assume every woman you meet wants to date you or fuck you.

SecTeff · 2024-05-08T16:16:41+00:00

Any interaction with a car could result in a fatal accident. I still drive my car to work.

Title	what’s the endgame?
Author	Downtown-Fee9491
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Date	May 8, 2024 3:10 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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