We have a crisis of male role models more than a crisis of men's rights - agree/disagree?

raynaen · 2024-05-28T17:57:47+00:00

I cannot disagree more. First, there is a critical crisis on men’s rights and wellbeing, and that is not comparable to the other “issue” (even if it was an issue) by orders of magnitude. Second, there are around 4B men in the world; role models are not limited to the two or three controversial public images you cherry pick, in my experience most people’s role models are their parents, siblings or people very specific to the work someone does.

Present_League9106 · 2024-05-28T17:57:57+00:00

We have a crisis in the devaluation of men as people. Some of that leads to legal issues (rights) and shitty role models, but those two options ignore the underlying problem.

volleyballbeach · 2024-05-29T01:15:22+00:00

Disagree. While there is a lack of positive role models, is I could pick between willing into existence equal rights or equal roll models, I’d pick equal rights. As much as I’d like to see more healthy role models, equal treatment in the court of law, in the draft, of SA victims, in domestic violence resources, mental health, and in auto insurance to name just a few examples is far more important to me.

WonderfulPresent9026 · 2024-05-28T19:02:34+00:00

Disagree the issue of being forced to go to war at the drop of a hat the moment the top of our society decide they need more money is a way bigger problem than young guys liking Andrew tate or Jordan Peterson.

Also a large reason fir these lack of role models is tge removal of the man as an essential part of the family unit which itself became normalized do to the long term disenfranchisement of men in the family court system to the benefit of women and determine of children which is in of itself a men's right issue.

RingosTurdFace · 2024-05-28T20:32:15+00:00

Male “role models” are only “allowed” (ie given airtime in mainstream media/not shouted down in social media) if they repeat the message that women are oppressed, masculinity is toxic, etc.

So any moderate male role model is simply drowned out and the only ones who’s voices remain are on the extreme end of the spectrum, unapologetic, not allowing themselves to be silenced like Andrew Tate.

If our feminist dominated media was less extreme itself, there would be multitude more of “normal”, positive male role models who didn’t have to shit on women whilst being encouraging/uplifting to the boys.

GanryuZT · 2024-05-29T08:14:48+00:00

My male role models for the past decades have always been my dad and bill burr.

Speedy_KQ · 2024-05-29T14:52:13+00:00

Why are Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson always grouped together? One of them is a complete asshole and the other is mostly sane.

Il128 · 2024-05-28T18:09:35+00:00

I believe the term is "Mass Social Displacement".

The short of it?

Men and women's roles have dramatically changed socially since the 1920's and we're only half way through the change. It takes roughly 200 years. See the middle or dark ages. Other examples are feudalism before the dark ages.

At some point in the next 100 years men will not be thought of as protectors and providers and women will no longer be thought of as caregivers and mothers.

What will sex traits have to do with society at that point? No one knows. We only know the "traditional roles" are on the way out.

EfficientSimplicity · 2024-05-29T05:21:47+00:00

The idea of women shaming Andrew Tate is laughable. Tate has a 600+ body count and tens of thousands more would line up to get ramrodded by him while you local male feminist ally has to put with stinky local puss

Women don’t want all men to be Andrew Tate.

B1G_Fan · 2024-05-28T21:24:06+00:00

Kind of

A YouTuber by the name of Macabre Storytelling had a great video on Male Dating Struggles

One of the premises of the video is that 80% of pick-up artistry is just your basic self-help packaged in a way that makes sense for single men. The other 20% can get quite unhealthy. But, a lot of guys get sucked into the other 20% because mainstream dating advice is mostly garbage

kkkan2020 · 2024-05-29T00:04:51+00:00

Males are just fooked in general

Thawne_2451 · 2024-05-28T17:20:36+00:00

The concept of men molding their mindset, viewpoints and overall life to other men that aren’t their father, grandfather, brother or someone that isn’t related to them is BAFFLING to me. I for one cannot conceive the notion of looking to Tate the Snake or Know-it-All Jeeves for insight. Good luck to those who do—😳😬

CrowMagpie · 2024-05-28T20:37:34+00:00

There's been a shift in pop culture away from the concept of heroes. We used to see heroes as people to look up to, aspirational role models; then we started to bring them down to feel good about ourselves; to show their flaws, until they were more flaw than hero.

Now, there's ntoobody for young boys to look up to; epsecially those growing up without a good father.

Castruccio_Castracan · 2024-05-28T23:36:35+00:00

You didn't have a whole lot of female role models for aspiring girl scientists back when women couldn't enroll in universities and do research. Was it because of a problem with women, or because of a problem with women's rights?

The answer is the same here. Men suffer legal discrimination, even more so social discrimination, so good male role models struggle to emerge.

Scarce12 · 2024-05-28T23:54:19+00:00

Here's where society gets stuck on this, the message is: Only men can be bad role models in society - men exploit men!

And then we are told we have bad bullshit detectors.

And this then goes nowhere, except it does retain the narrative of women's victimhood, because it's hard to peel this back and get to the first question: Why are you making this a gender issue?

The same question we ask again and again and again.

Title	We have a crisis of male role models more than a crisis of men's rights - agree/disagree?
Author	Philostotle
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Comments	22
Date	May 28, 2024 5:10 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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