Which of these men's issues are most important to you?

gratis_eekhoorn · 2024-11-24T20:10:25+00:00

Legal and institutional issues.

Phuxsea · 2024-11-24T21:00:28+00:00

Suicide, mass isolation (what I call the "male loneliness epidemic), and also male genital cutting.

VexerVexed · 2024-11-24T21:06:35+00:00

Sexual and physical abuse.

mmmeadi · 2024-11-25T03:47:50+00:00

Routine Infant Circumcision. It's the only issue that touches all the others.

SuspicousEggSmell · 2024-11-25T07:15:35+00:00

issues around abuse and sexual violence, and legal issues that affect men

Noe_b0dy · 2024-11-25T02:59:23+00:00

Rape.

Johntoreno · 2024-11-25T09:58:41+00:00

Mental Health&Social/Economic Issues are linked. Without addressing the socio-economic issues that men face, talking about mental health is pointless. For ex: You can't properly address the mental health issues of homeless men without first getting them a job first.

Gender Roles continue to endure because the ruling class benefits from the exploitation of the male labour. Feminism was/is backed by the elites because the traditional female gender role seals off the female labour to the house, thus denying our demonic overlords their "profit".

MSHUser · 2024-11-24T23:19:36+00:00

Social issues/gender roles as well as mental health/suicide are men's issues most important to me. Of course economic issues/capitalism presents a lot of problems for men, but I also think they present problems for a lot of people since we as a society (males and females) depend on the economic system for our survival and wellbeing.

Social issues and mental health are the most noticeable due to our access to that kind of information being more direct than other issues. For example, with social issues, it just takes us to be exposed to people in different social groups to see how people really view men based on how they behave and talk about them. Gender roles to me is very specific to dating, but also something you need. Because community and a spousal connection are important needs to the human, they're easily noticeable and more often experienced by men. It's also tangible to men's mental health issues (tho economic issues and capitalism can play into it as well). The feedback we get and how it hampers us from getting out basic needs met can affect the mental state for better or evil. And imo, those 2 issues specifically have a far wider reach in terms to majority of men. A lot of men may not know about economic issues or political issues, but when they're not getting their basic needs met and satisfied, anything and everything related to that unmet need is gonna stick out to them in a glaring way.

Another point to make here is that the other issues are often systemic, and when it comes to systemic issues, you can't detect those very easily. It takes dedication to digging deep into how systems work and how it affects our society in order to get a better understanding of this, which not everyone is going to put that work into understanding systemic issues.

Enzi42 · 2024-11-25T11:24:45+00:00

I almost clicked Social Issues/Gender Roles, but ultimately I chose Other due not being sure if my particular "pet cause" fell under the former, but upon having some time to think about it, I believe it does.

What I try to tackle personally is what I see as either underlying causes of men's issues or "accumulating damage" that worsens existing problems and weakens men's ability to deal with larger and more visible concerns.

An example of "accumulating damage that weakens one's resilience to other issues" is the misandric atmosphere many find ourselves in. Whether men internalize it or not, whether they choose to lash out against it, ignore it, or at worst accept it, the result is still bad.

It eats away at one's mental wellbeing and makes us less able to handle the other, perhaps more visible issues that we face. It certainly wears away at the self-esteem and sense of self in the more vulnerable of us, and makes us more willing to accept those problems because we think we "deserve" them.

And speaking of that...

I don't like saying this because it feels arrogant, in a "Well, MY pet cause is the most important of them all!" sense, but here goes.

The issue I am the most committed to fighting is what I believe to be the root of most or even all men's problems, one way or another--the disregard, distrust, apathy, and even hatred of other male humans.

Men have an outgroup bias; we have an apathy and even antipathy for our own kind that hurts us over and over again, and so many don't even know it, insisting that nothing is wrong, all is as it should be even as they metaphorically bleed to death.

This internalized misandry is why so many men will ignore the problems we face as long as they don't face it personally or, absurdly, acknowledge the problems if they affect the men around them, but deny up and down that they are systemic issues that need resolution on a widespread scale.

It is what makes men so easily brainwashed against their own kind. It is why hordes of men can be recruited by governments and terrorists to slaughter their own kind en-masse, it's why feminists can convince men to be "good ones" and view other men as an evil blob that must be fought against if they want to maintain their "good" status.

Its why so many men will brush off blatantly hateful rhetoric against us as a whole while women will rise to the defense of their own without hesitation.

As long as this remains unchanged, nothing significant will happen. Men will remain like a drowning person unwilling to cooperate with our rescuer and in fact will fight the person trying to help us swim to shore.

I cannot tell you how many times I have tried to talk to men about this, only to have them fight back with assertions that we do not need anything and that to ask for help or fight for ourselves is anything from selfish to evil.

Trying to convince men to act in their own best interest will be difficult, no beyond difficult. I've written many long posts about this before so I won't go on about it here, but suffice to say hundreds of thousands of years of social conditioning and even biological reality stand between us and that goal.

But I believe that men's outgroup bias and is similar to racism---it may be biologically and socially encoded, but it can be curtailed and contained through social means, and made a negative thing rather than an inescapable reality.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2024-11-25T18:40:32+00:00

Equality, in general? I want to be treated equally by the law, institutions, and culture. I want men and women to have equal access to support systems. When men and women engage in the same misbehaviors, I want it to be judged objectively according to evidence without gender being of any consideration. I want everyone to be offered the same default level of respect and value for their life. I want society to place equal expectations on people. I want everyone's differences to be offered equal levels of accommodation, in education for example.

I don't think I can point to a single issue in isolation. The only single thing I can point to is a general thing. The rampaging mutant amalgamation of empathy gap, outdated gender stereotypes, and the feminist movement's demonization of men. That amalgamation of cultural discrimination is what I see everywhere all the time since I've learned to see it, and is the common factor in every men's issue.

Unfair-Arm-991 · 2024-11-24T20:57:00+00:00

Economic Issues / Capitalism for me because Capitalism is ultimately the greatest form of oppression. In terms of equality within capitalism, I'd say Social Issues / Gender Roles because men have a few inequalities in comparison to women: the draft, forced parenthood and many social expectations that make horrific assumptions about the nature and status of men.

deaftoexcuses · 2024-11-25T09:14:32+00:00

Homelessness and the normalization of violence towards and the scapegoating of, men in numerous societal situations.

Skirt_Douglas · 2024-11-25T15:53:28+00:00

Mental health is effected by politics and economics, so ultimately I’m in favor of a trident that hits all three.

sapientiamquaerens · 2024-11-26T07:54:31+00:00

I would say capitalism is by far the biggest issue because all other problems are exacerbated if someone is from a lower socioeconomic background.

If someone is wealthy, they can at least use their money alleviate their problems to some extent - get better healthcare/therapy, hire some expensive lawyers, etc.

If someone is from an economically disadvantaged background, it's a self-perpetuating cycle. They might not get the best parenting, because the parents themselves might suffer from mental illness, alcohol abuse, etc, and this leaves them with poor role models. They get worse education opportunities, so they might not develop the necessary skills to get ahead in life and can easily get stuck in a menial role. This means they don't get the financial resources to break the cycle, and they're stuck with untreated mental health issues, etc.

Adventurous_Design73 · 2024-11-25T09:08:35+00:00

Razorbladekandyfan · 2024-11-25T14:14:10+00:00

Male genital mutilation and the draft. For now.

YetAgain67 · 2024-11-25T15:11:43+00:00

Maybe this is ignorant to say - I guess you could call me a class reductionist. If you start taking care of people materially, all other issues will start to fall in line and become less caustic and aggressive...because there won't be as big a weapon to use against us and keep us distracting - meaning money and jobs...and the lack thereof and blaming others for having what you don't, etc.

Does that mean I'm saying "pay people more and don't put them in medical dept" = "oh men are people, too now I guess."

In a way, kinda?

We a need a ground-up reshaping of how the people are educated in the topic of class and class struggle. I'm not so naive as to think suddenly misandry, racism, etc will go away under a new economic model...but I do think it will take a big hit. With time.

I truly believe so much of our animosity and division boils down to capitalism in all its myriad forms. Even much of the progressive sphere is vying for the spotlight of capitalism to notice their oppression.

maomaochair · 2024-11-25T19:04:25+00:00

Capitalism, but i don't think its a men specific issue. Of course it could oppress male or woman in different and unique way, but it is not my primary concern.

palacethat · 2024-11-25T03:49:15+00:00

The rise of the right wing

Glarus30 · 2024-11-25T03:18:10+00:00

Well, at least we can all agree that the Democrat party is out of touch with at least 50% of it's electorate.

And also we can all agree that we shouldn't care about abortion rights, because even the women don't care about those. If they did- they would've gotten off their asses and voted the orange pedo out.

Title	Which of these men's issues are most important to you?
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Date	November 24, 2024 11:56 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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