Any counters ?

Suddenly_Sisyphus42 · 2025-01-25T16:38:49+00:00

The patriarchy doesn't exist. It's a conspiracy theory like the Illuminati. There's no evidence of some global grand conspiracy by all men to enslave all women. It's a gross oversimplification of gender roles throughout the course of civilization and it shouldn't be taken seriously.

199Pinguin199 · 2025-01-25T16:50:04+00:00

Ask them to name laws that benefit men and allow men to do things women can't. Then name laws and policies that benefit women in the West. Affirmative action policies, DEI, women only grants, some countries having lower pension age for women, court bias, education system bias, hiring bias and so on and on.

Batoucom · 2025-01-25T16:58:29+00:00

The worst are « men » who bring that up. Fuck those fucking guys

Born-Leadership4526 · 2025-01-26T01:25:59+00:00

Do what I did.

Ignore feminists and don’t search out there content you will be much happier I promise.

You can’t win against them because there go to thing is calling some one a misogynist when they can’t win. And let’s face it they rarely actually win anything

Move away from western cultures. I loved to the Philippines and over here men are allowed to be men. In fact it’s expected men will be men and woman will be woman.

Follow these rules and life will become much better

No_Leather3994 · 2025-01-26T00:52:25+00:00

I hate this excuse for so many reason but the main one is people use it as a reason to dismiss mens problems or blame men for it anyway acting like its a blame game which when you think about it explains so much of feminist thinking. Half the time the things they complain about is them just looking to blame men or act like victims.

Let's say this hypothetical, evil patriarchy did happen (because its certainly not happening now) that doesn't change the present. Why focus on the past or who to blame rather than trying to change the present? If your forever going to play the blame game just so you don't have to confront the sexist attitudes today then nothing will get resolved.

And if its hurting men more it ain't really a patriarchy.

If you have 2 groups, group A and group B. If I tell you group A is expected to provide for group B, people label group A as predators/murderers, group A can be forced to be drafted and fight someone else's war, courts/media are against group A, group B is depicted hitting group A in media and it presented as a god thing you would argue group A is oppressed not group B but people fail to grasp this concept as soon as you replace group A with men and group B with women.

Particular-Tap1211 · 2025-01-26T02:15:33+00:00

Counter with the matrix has you imprisoned.

Cadam321 · 2025-01-26T02:34:24+00:00

I was told by the women that I grew up around that all wars are started by men and most of the suffering in it is caused by men. They obviously left out the fact that Queen Victoria wanted an empire and presided over a fair bit of my nations wars

_WutzInAName_ · 2025-01-25T18:33:47+00:00

Remind them that men do not have the power. The majority of the tiny subset of people in power may be men, but they are there because of other men and women. This is an important distinction. The majority of the people at the bottom, who have no power, are men.

Western laws and policies disproportionately benefit women over men overall, and women typically live longer and better lives.

bigskycaniac · 2025-01-26T23:34:58+00:00

A point few bring up: for the women who complain about the patriarchy dominating society, a number of them prefer to be dominated by men.

Make it make sense.

Or make it stop, it's exhausting.

For any women who read this comment: no, men don't control you nor do we have it better than you.

You'll never truly understand how isolated we are. How invisible and forgotten and disposable we are.

Those of you who think women aren't responsible for men's mental health have no idea how difficult it is to battle depression that can at times take all of your willpower to get up in the morning and go to whatever job it is that you have.

It's even more deplorable that you think you can turn around and demand a traditional setting after that statement where the guy's still supposed to pay for everything and you lot essentially seem to think you should be protected just for being women.

Where's our defense?

Where's our empathy?

It's especially hilarious to claim there's a patriarchy somehow when feminists are now complaining about emotional labor. In a world where women have a number of advantages, even showing the most basic forms of compassion for their partner is now emotional labor. They are so privileged and so impossible to please.

BrilliantWriting3725 · 2025-01-25T19:26:50+00:00

The patriarchy never existed. Even chatgpt will hesitatingly admit that it's always been a few people in power (inc. women) who made decisions for the remainder 99.9% of the population. You'll even be shocked to learn that queens waged war more often than kings did. Therefore it's more accurate to say we lived in oligarchical/monarchal power structures than a "patriarchy". This meant that men were often sent off to die in the hundreds of thousands to protect society and women. Look at Ukraine now. Women have always been a protected class in every society that's ever existed. Today is no different.

ConferenceHungry7763 · 2025-01-25T23:32:02+00:00

Nobody is enslaving anybody. Women just believe that the world is against them if they are not given everything they want.

Vegetable_Ad1732 · 2025-01-25T22:47:48+00:00

Tell them this, "If it hurts men so much, then maybe it should be called a matriarchy".

Tmac11223 · 2025-01-26T04:48:29+00:00

Because they can't comprehend that women can be just as bad as men as leaders.

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-01-26T07:05:02+00:00

The best way to deal with those people is to not engage, especially if the person is a feminist woman, because they don't value debate or conversation. Their goal is to get you to follow what they say, or make you disappear.

Because you can check mate them in this discussion in a variety of ways, but because they don't value real discussion, all they care to do is when they are cornered and lose, they use epithets, yell harassment, and get you kicked out. So they can continue saying more bs to more people after they've removed you.

AdFuzzy8155 · 2025-01-27T16:44:34+00:00

Word tards use. Tard indexer

Gold-Amphibian2817 · 2025-01-26T01:57:25+00:00

The patriarchy is a system that ultimately hurts both men and women. Certain standards for men and stereotypes surrounding men such as toughness and aggression, are also held up by the patriarchy. These stereotypes contribute to the issues you have mentioned such as men going to jail longer, taking on more dangerous jobs, and losing custody battles since the patriarchy upholds ideas like men being less nurturing, more violent, and obligated to carry out physically laborious work. In the end, the patriarchy hurts women more than it does men, but men still are harmed in certain impactful ways as well.

Agalpa · 2025-01-26T01:36:22+00:00

Patriarchy hurts men too there is no monopol on discrimination, the fact that homeless mens are more often refused in shelters is very much created by the cultural idea ig having stronger and more resilient men than women but with that save exemple in those shelters you have a lot more risk of sexual crimes being committed against women than men. I think I'm an argument you shouldn't try to counter a widely accepted socio historical element but to remind the others that there is no monopol on oppression and that patriarchy hurts all of us

Title	Any counters ?
Author	martialardis
Upvotes	75
Comments	43
Date	January 25, 2025 4:25 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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