What do you think of the manosphere incel thing due to feminism? Do men have a right to push back?

corporate_robot_dude · 2025-02-16T15:52:58+00:00

I think the use of the word incel by both men and women as a shaming tactic is problematic. The nerdy guy who is a social hermit because he's been rejected by society due to his looks or economic status just wants to have some basic respect and is not a threat. But society keeps shaming him to a point where he can no longer handle it and that's when he does something extreme.

Mobile_Yoghurt_2840 · 2025-02-16T09:46:22+00:00

_NRNA_ · 2025-02-16T09:50:07+00:00

You can accept criticisms and grievances without accepting their prognosis wholesale.

MysteryMan999 · 2025-02-16T14:32:16+00:00

I don't agree with how the question is phrased. Being in. The Mano sphere so to speak doesn't make someone an Incel. So let's not mix the two. People who try to discredit the stuff like MGTOW, Men's Rights, Red pill try to call everything on that space Incel content which it isn't.

Do men have a right to push back? Yeah when society is pushing anti male sentiment that's unfair.

NCC-1701-1 · 2025-02-16T14:05:34+00:00

Well, I have the luxury of already had my kids so take this with a grain a salt. I no longer need a woman for purpose. Tried that and while it works out for some you have to understand that to most women your purpose is to provide for their own purposes. Not all of course but the majority of most women under 40 now have been brainwashed by the feminist run schools. Find other purpose, it is still possible even though now men have become disposable second class citizens, especially white men which a pejorative term now.

I had a successful career, no criminal record, here standing up for you, so why do I need to do better?

Lets_Remain_Logical · 2025-02-16T15:26:46+00:00

We'll. We are a sacrificed generation. I guess, I hope the next generation realize? Society imploded already, people just can't see it.

When it's clear, i hope that women who are wondering why men doesn't approach them begin calling our women who freak out on the men approaching them. See you, excluding the politicians, for obvious reasons, this is a woman-woman situation.

Woman stay complicit, enabling the loudest to talk.

NewMoonlightavenger · 2025-02-16T16:00:09+00:00

We may not agree on the specifics, but that a pushback is necessary should not be a point of contention.

walterwallcarpet · 2025-02-16T10:55:03+00:00

If we can get to the root of how we are being treated as men, and who is being advantaged, and why, we can possibly do something about it. This is not the male equivalent of a crazy 4b movement. It's much more subtle. http://empathygap.uk/?p=4595

tronaldump0106 · 2025-02-16T09:39:18+00:00

Mixed - yes I think western society has failed men, but I see the manosphere more as red pill and incel thing as black pill. Manosphere is more about taking control and improving your appeal to women by gym, game, status, money, power, etc while incel is more giving up and writing off life due to your DNA.

West_Inspection_4977 · 2025-02-16T17:28:36+00:00

I just hate that it seems like we can’t stick up for our own rights and have voices for our own (different) problems without being labeled as incels or women haters or being blamed for our own problems.

Sure men and women both have their fair share of issues but we all deserve voices. In the ideal world, the men’s rights movement and the feminist movement SHOULD be on the same page and work together for the same end goals. We should be supporting each other and having good debates and open minded discussions but I feel like instead we just attack each other and the way they attack us feels way more personal and full of hatred.

UWontHearMeAnyway · 2025-02-16T19:52:56+00:00

We have these problems precisely because men haven't been pushing back for near a century. Setting healthy boundaries means we have to enforce those boundaries. And of course they will fight that. Because they have it so good, they are afraid of losing it.

justanother-eboy · 2025-02-16T21:16:00+00:00

Ofc men have a right to push back. Most criticism towards men is very one sided and almost never discusses what women could be doing better

_H_a_c_k_e_r_ · 2025-02-16T18:45:24+00:00

Women doing their own thing was due to governments pampering them. You need to look at conservative societies to learn more about distribution of wealth. Trump has exposed so much corruption of government funds going to NGOs filled with misandrist women.

All you need to do is target non profits that hide under the disguise of "we are doing good". Most anti male narratives are pushed by these NGOs who publish opinion peieces research papers.

Golden-Grate-242 · 2025-02-16T20:02:57+00:00

Not only do we have a RIGHT to push back we have an obligation to do so for our own sanity and dignity. Having masculine traits and values is not a crime, in fact it is a virtue. I am not quite at monk mode, but after my "wife" married me for my money and jumped beds to my friend who makes a bit more money, I'm not dating more women. My alternative works for me, not for everyone, but I meet very passable trans who are happy to help me meet my needs. I think the next step should be monk mode. Can't trust anything female, not even males who want to be one.

uoklai · 2025-02-16T21:00:34+00:00

It seems we have reached a saturation point, where society, immersed in the fight for equality and the blurring of traditional roles, is starting to tire of excessive extremes. We live in a world that is becoming increasingly militaristic and aggressive, and in these new realities, there may be a resurgence of truly masculine qualities—such as strength, endurance, discipline, and responsibility.

This does not mean a return to outdated stereotypes, but rather a new understanding of masculinity as a foundation for creating stability and protection in challenging times. Soon, it may no longer be necessary to be ashamed of one’s masculinity and traditional views on life.

The world is changing, and the values that were once considered outdated may become relevant again. But most importantly, it’s about finding a balance where both men and women can be themselves without fear of judgment. We are on the brink of a new social era, and everyone can play a role in shaping it.

maxhrlw · 2025-02-16T21:07:22+00:00

I think your right on all fronts. Weak men and brainwashed women are not a good combination.

The incel thing isn't straightforward in my mind. Society using the term to shame disenfranchised young men is wrong. So are the groups of men who label themselves as such, absolving themselves of any agency in their current plight.

deltronroberts · 2025-02-16T22:09:57+00:00

“Incel” is literally “involuntarily celibate”; it’s just the word that feminists and the Left use to refer to men whose opinions they don’t like. “Neckbeard” is another one; sort of a “subset” of incels, since it obviously can’t be applied to a man who has no beard.

It’s sort of like when they call Conservatives Nazis or fascists, or anything ending in “-ist” or “-phobe”. There’s no reason to care when they throw out any of those words (and many others); they’ve been so-overused, they have no bite or meaning.

But yeah, men in general are in a sad state. The pendulum is starting to swing back, though. I noticed it several years ago, when I would get into conversations with other men while smoking cigars at a lounge. And social media has expanded to such a point that men are starting to connect and share information more than ever. Men are figuring it out. I even read an article titled, “the dangerous rise of men who will not date woke women”, or something similar.

The feminists and Leftists are the ones posting all of the TikToks and stories, coping by telling each other what they want to hear. You hear all of these negative because men stay silent; our success makes the noise.

Ignore their noise. Keep building, keep improving, connect with other men and keep mentoring.

StockButterscotch764 · 2025-02-16T15:12:30+00:00

Boys and men need to focus on building a meaningful life for themselves by themselves….they can’t rely on women, society, etc….western culture (& certainly America) has become a moral, cultural, and spiritual wasteland….the prominence of ideologies like hateful feminism is a testament to this breakdown….while this could be depressing, it’s also potentially liberating….men should see themselves as free to create the lives they truly want….provided they’re willing to fight/advocate for themselves and generally take responsibility for their lives.

lazymud68 · 2025-02-16T18:44:09+00:00

Red pill and manosphere is really bad, stay away from it. All they do is drown you into more insecurity and make you feel worthless if you cannot attract women. The solution is for men to support each other while having a positive outlook. Also "incel" is so annoying because it's used as an insult whenever you call out female double standards

Medium-Knowledge4230 · 2025-02-16T18:44:32+00:00

It's not fair to hate half of humanity. It's simple bigotry. It's understandable and rightful to feel angry and make it clear, but for mental health and quality of life: it's better to not drown in hate like they do. Still, I think MGTOW can be a good way.

NorthWesternMonkey89 · 2025-02-16T12:33:41+00:00

Men should push back but it should be from a reform perspective instead of a tribal one.

These groups like mgtow or incels just atomises men and women further. The last thing we want is this, as we'll get nowhere.

Utilise philosophies such as stoicism and Taoism to better ourselves as men individually instead of collectively. Women did the latter and eventually were caught under the thumb of cultural Marxism.

TomTalksTropes · 2025-02-16T19:24:34+00:00

The manosphere isnt men "pushing back" its men capitalizing on the misery of other men and blaming women. It helps no one and does nothing but make a few influencers rich. It is a hate farm that stops men from centering themselves and finding their way out of whatever bullshit they are in

Title	What do you think of the manosphere incel thing due to feminism? Do men have a right to push back?
Author	Snoo65073
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Date	February 16, 2025 9:29 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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