Even science isn't enough to convince "scientific people"

_WutzInAName_ · 2026-02-24T20:27:30+00:00

It’s not just about convincing “these people.” It’s also about convincing the broader audience for such comments.

Undermine feminist ideology by pointing out its bigotry, hate, contradictions, greed, and double standards as often as you can.

Anything that seems really powerful can be weakened or destroyed if people work at it for long enough in the right ways.

tilldeathdoiparty · 2026-02-24T20:26:08+00:00

This is reddit, it is a feminist hive mind for the most extreme believers, to argue with them is absolutely useless.

The amount of people who know nothing beyond the headlines and overwhelming popular opinion they have been indoctrinated into a cult.

Why waste time on the most extreme, normal rational people (who are the majority once your off socials) don’t think like this.

Stop assuming Reddit represents real life, we have seen on multiple occasions it is a small fraction of the larger population and are only correct within these walls.

Stop slamming your head in a wall and ignore these extremists

Former-Dragonfly2226 · 2026-02-24T20:04:31+00:00

You don’t. You learn that feminism was never about equality.

Lanfeix · 2026-02-24T20:27:32+00:00

The mistake is thinking this is still mainly about evidence. It isn’t.

Once an issue becomes moralized and tied to identity, data stops working as a persuader. People stop evaluating studies neutrally and start defending a worldview. Every meta-analysis gets dismissed because accepting it would mean questioning the narrative that men are privileged and women uniquely oppressed.

That’s why the goalposts keep moving. Bigger samples won’t help. More journals won’t help. Another decade of research won’t help. This isn’t about what the evidence says. It’s about what their ideology allows to be true.

History shows real change doesn’t happen because entrenched groups are convinced by science. It happens through law, policy, funding, and institutional pressure.

But that pressure comes from people organizing.

Communities forming.

Political groups growing.

Awareness turning into action.

And yes, some of that starts in places like this subreddit Reddit. Not to convert ideologues, but to connect people who already see the problem and build leverage.

The data already exists.

What’s needed now is organization and political power.

Open-Inevitable1200 · 2026-02-24T21:41:25+00:00

I learned a long time ago most feminists simply don't want facts. It feels good to have something to blame for all your shortcomings.

People reacted the same when I told them feminists didn't fight like women seem to think they did as if they were martyrs getting beaten up bloody for daring to wanting to vote. The reality is they didn't want to be able to vote until after they heard that they can't get drafted for it. Men were never given that option.

Or when I told them early feminism fought mostly for white women only leaving out POC or the fact feminists went out of their way to shut down male abuse shelters threatening the owners lives, the male abuse victims lives (by threatening to bomb the shelters) and even the owners dog. They did all that despite there being more women abuse shelters, they just didn't like that someone wanted to make sure abused men had somewhere to go.

Got told I'm a sexist and the patriarchy oppresses women, I sound pathetic comparing that to the centuries of oppression women had under patriarchy is ridiculous etc

Just devolved into tribalism acting as if they were personally alive for every year of oppression for women and that somehow women deserved to get back at men even though the men of today did nothing and the women of today did not face that.

Pretend-Storm4566 · 2026-02-25T03:14:03+00:00

I once posted an OP about a peer reviewed study. It was describe as "hate porn" and taken down.

AskTight7295 · 2026-02-24T21:13:03+00:00

Yeah you can’t convince them because they don’t care about those things. It’s all a strategy. They will use anything that helps them and deny anything that does not. Men (or women for that matter) believing that it works through reasoning and facts is simply wrong. They did not get where they are today that way, but through manipulating opinion. You will have just as much success waving a magic wand. If you care about facts, go improve a rocket engine, don’t argue with people who merely protect their own opinions.

ShabbyJerking · 2026-02-24T23:54:44+00:00

Umm... you're supposed to trust the science, chud! No! Not that science xd

SouthernFruit8768 · 2026-02-25T05:48:33+00:00

Sir this is Wendy’s I mean Reddit. It’s leftist, liberal, feminist and misandrist by definition

Herbata_Mietowa · 2026-02-25T07:51:50+00:00

Sadly, this is state of the discussion nowadays. It's not only men vs women, but also about left vs right, east vs west, or any whatever topic you can think of. Evidence loses its value if it is not OUR evidence - so paper provided by our people, proving our statements and - in the best case - at the same time insulting or bashing your evidence. Now it's only a out staying in bubble and reinforcing its walls, so they won't be penetrated by uncomfortable truths

Fact checking and doing basic research should be skill taught the same like reading and writing. This world is going more shit with each year

Banake · 2026-02-25T12:54:01+00:00

Most “science” subs are actually progressist or democrat subs.

critical_Bat · 2026-02-25T16:40:21+00:00

I am less concerned about you being downvoted qnd more worried that a post that exhibits no curiosity and resorts to name calling gets upvoted.

This is the idelogy behind the research of tomorrow that the public will assume is correct and unbiased.

SidewaysGiraffe · 2026-02-25T17:39:42+00:00

...You just woke up from a nap you laid down to take in 2019, didn't you?

You missed the medical-industrial complex driving the idea of intellectual integrity off a cliff, power-hungry governments all over the first setting the wreckage on fire, and 98% of the rank and file of humanity lining up to piss on the ashes.

Reason won't help you any more.

SlowAssignments · 2026-02-26T14:30:14+00:00

https://open.substack.com/pub/jameslnuzzo/p/personal-drama-in-academic-peer-review-bb3

A journal rejection is not the nicest news to receive, but one does get used to them after being in research for several years. However, this rejection was particularly hard to swallow given the inability of the reviewers to understand the central arguments that I was making. But most concerningly was the feedback from Reviewer #5. In arguing for why they thought my paper should not be published, Reviewer #5 stated the following:

“Data be damned, I know women are understudied and you will not convince me otherwise. Perceptions trump data.”

Axiomancer · 2026-02-25T10:28:46+00:00

As a scientist, after that incel-reply I wouldn't even waste my time further. Life taught me that if someone is too stubborn to leave their worldview bubble, nothing you say will make them change their mind.

BottomContributor · 2026-02-26T17:34:47+00:00

All these reddits are just places for liberals to circle jerk. They call it science so they can nitpick to their political beliefs and feel like they are so smart

Repulsive_Milk877 · 2026-02-27T15:43:45+00:00

For your own mental health you should keep away from feminist reddit group. Most of them are just angry mobs only thing they care less about than men is truth.

Title	Even science isn't enough to convince "scientific people"
Author	oseday
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Date	February 24, 2026 7:45 PM UTC (5 months ago)
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