Off-topic: The prospect that women will be drafted should not be celebrated, but if men are drafted, women must be drafted, too

jolly_mcfats · 2013-01-28T16:23:38+00:00

Thanks for this.

Crimson_D82 · 2013-01-28T20:21:37+00:00

Either everyone should register or no one should register. I celebrate the equitably in such a thing but not the outcome.

Coinin · 2013-01-28T16:03:03+00:00

Thank God someone posted the right attitude. It was really weird watching people cheering for the possibility of women (people) being forced to go to war.

It is good to hate double standards. But its important to keep a humane perspective.

2013-01-28T23:08:56+00:00

Even if they are drafted, when the time comes to do some dying in the front lines, it'll be the men that do it.

Pecanpig · 2013-01-29T00:30:07+00:00

Many people here seem to be of the opinion that this is a good thing, but only because it raises the chances of the draft being removed entirely.

Fact is, nobody cares about men, but if you toss the women in with the men, people will give a shit about the group.

dungone · 2013-01-28T18:37:53+00:00

The people who would be celebrating this as some form of payback are more likely to be traditionalists and other right wing White Knights who would gladly sacrifice the lives other men in exchange for women taking on subservient roles. It's payback for the vote, or payback for leaving the kitchen, etc. The rest of us can celebrate it, though, as a step towards equality. We never wanted to take away women's right to vote, we just didn't like the fact that they've had it for 100 years without once having to pay the same price that men had to pay.

That said, the following statement is a misconception:

if women have been kept from shouldering their share of our nation's burdens, we can thank chivalrous men, not the dreaded NOW

It was actually traditionalist women who led the way in opposing equal rights for women because of the draft, as can be seen in this debate: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/17bh66/traditionalism_and_feminism_the_great/

What makes this sort of misconception particularly bad for the MRM is that we get blamed for it as men even though in modern Western culture it's men who have had fewer scruples about sex, religion, and tradition. So we can have this little theatre where feminists claim to be for equality, traditionalist women step in to oppose any loss of special privileges, and then everyone blames men for turning it into "benevolent sexism" or whatever.

logrusmage · 2013-01-28T19:02:16+00:00

As a minarchist, I consider the draft literally slavery and don't see uch way around that definition.

Any form of forced conscription, for any kind of work violent or otherwise, is incredibly wrong and evil.

Solesaver · 2013-01-28T20:30:13+00:00

How many of you would report for a draft if it were enacted? I'm curious.

I know I wouldn't.

Pecanpig · 2013-01-29T00:30:37+00:00

Many people here seem to be of the opinion that this is a good thing, but only because it raises the chances of the draft being removed entirely.

Fact is, nobody cares about men, but if you toss the women in with the men, people will give a shit about the group.

paologallo · 2013-01-29T03:27:31+00:00

Draft women just like men. I'm all in favor. Drafting of women equals end of the draft. Women in combat means end of combat. All in favor.

ywkwpwnw · 2013-01-29T03:42:23+00:00

2013-01-29T06:34:28+00:00

Personally I think selective service should be abolished entirely. I think the very idea of a draft is terrible. It's just young men killing other young men with whom they have no personal quarrel, and for what? to preserve a status quo of some kind. Whether it's land, property, or big business.

electriophile · 2013-01-29T07:20:16+00:00

It is disappointing to read some who look upon the likely prospect that women will be drafted as "women's just desserts" for backing a progressive agenda. One writer to Time wrote: "I hope that this means that now all women on their 18th birthday will now be required to register with Selective Service. I wonder if all the women who vote for Obama because he told them that the Republicans had a so called 'war on women' like it better that they can now actually go to a real war with a real enemy. Obama will now not only give them free birth control but also free bullets for their M16."

Gag. So much misogyny and misandry in one comment!

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-01-29T14:37:29+00:00

Agreed.

Frankly I think getting women included in the draft is the best way to ensure men won't be drafted in the future.

Sending thousands of men off to die, meh.

But include a few women in those teeming masses and suddenly it becomes a far more serious question.

Do we really need to fight this war? Is it worth it, if so many of our daughters will come back in body bags? Probably not.

linziboo · 2013-01-29T02:36:27+00:00

I think that the whole concept of selective service is terrible. Nobody should be forced to go to war. The whole thing should be abolished.

Women shouldn't be a part of the draft because they're biologically weaker and more vulnerable than men, generally. An 18 year old woman is significantly weaker than an 18 year old man. On the field, they would be the first to die, or cause others to die protecting them.

Its biology, not sexism.

helalo · 2013-01-28T20:23:34+00:00

not sure how i would feel about any women in my family being drafted...on one hand, they want equality, on the other hand it just sounds weird and a bad image in my head to imagine any girl in my family picking up a gun.

Title	Off-topic: The prospect that women will be drafted should not be celebrated, but if men are drafted, women must be drafted, too
Author	PierceHarlan
Upvotes	137
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Date	January 28, 2013 2:36 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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