TRP take on drugs?

tyranus89 · 2014-08-25T06:21:36+00:00

TRP's view on drugs is similar to its view of women -- if they're controlling your life, GTFO.

drrrrrr · 2014-08-25T09:05:48+00:00

Most recreational drugs and non-recreational drugs that can be abused (say, adderall aka speed) are purely escapism. There can be no "RP take on drugs" because every drug is different, technically all medicine is drugs, etc.

So I'll give you my perspective on what I think most people mean by drugs

Stimulants - highly addictive and tolerance ramps up like a bitch. I do not recommend stimulants because you will easily fall in love - I have fallen into some degree of reliance with every stimulant I've ever tried starting from caffeine. I was prescribed adderall, ritalin, etc for being a very hyperactive physical type of child, and they worked phenomenally for focus, energy, etc. Problem is you train yourself to be unable to focus and think and produce energy / adrenal response properly without having your stim. It is escapism of its own variety - you are escaping learning to control your own "state" if you will because stimulants just make you feel like doing shit and they make boring things fly by. Ephedrine as part of the ECA stack is the same way, as are some of the rare preworkouts that actually work - they get you so amped that you forget how when you first used to work out, you forget that as a child you knew how to instinctively "amp" yourself up to extreme levels.

You escape the process of proper energy management. Sleep issues tend to follow as well.

Cocaine - Bad idea. Aside from the fact that average street coke in the US is about 30-40% pure and cut with all kinds of shit, it is just too ego-gratifying and indulgent. You feel basically like the ultimate alpha male despite your behavior not reflecting that. For every 1 coke addict who is super charismatic and able to pull with a delirious confidence / energy flow that movies like to portray, there are 100 guys who are just fucking coke addicts, staying in their house and feeling cool about how badass they are in between fits of paranoia.

I hate to see coke getting portrayed as this "it will help you tap into your alpha, drug dealers do cope to help them stay in the sociopathic mode they need to be in to operate in the high stress environment, it's just science". It's just not backed by any real behavior of the 99% of cokeheads you see - I hung out with some of that crowd in LA. The guys who pull are rich dudes who represent to these hot/skinny coke whores an endless supply of their powder. I have some experience with both shit-tier coke and the good stuff, and you're not going to magically pop out as this dark triad badass. Like all stimulants, you also must consider the price, which I would say is pretty shitty with coke (which is why people have to keep doing bumps throughout the night, as opposed to say meth addicts).

Alcohol - Fine in moderation, but don't use it if you're trying to honestly learn game. Don't rely upon dulling your sense of self-awareness (and thereby your self-conscious ways) to get the nerve to approach, be social, and be "that guy". Just do it. Then when you master that, if you want to drink when you go out, fine. Do not also rely upon getting sauced to be able to sexually perform adequately / last long - get your shit together and then if you want to drink for the enjoyment a nice scotch brings you, have that. Don't drink to get drunk.

Weed - Just a waste of time for most people. Out of all the relaxation techniques and entertainment escapes BPers do, this is no worse than playing video games. It's bad mainly because you start to get mentally in love with that chilled out state where you just feel good and content not doing anything. If you can actually do something of value (say a graphic designer who still churns out good work when he's high) then fuck it, do it.

But be honest, you smoke a bowl, eat some food, go for a walk, listen to music, kick back, and so on. If you do productive things while high, then I'd say it's not an issue. I do not know many people who do this. Meaning I'd say as a general rule of thumb, only blaze up as a reward for doing something good. If I have had a good month accomplishing things I set out to do, I take an evening to kick back and enjoy, and I just let myself enjoy that BP state. No weed tolerance too, so every month I get like 1 "first timer" type of high, and then I wake up, feel gross about how I didn't do shit, and then go hard for another month.

If you are not the type who has that level of discipline, that is fine, I wasn't for a long time, and that's why I forced myself to give up weed for about 2 years.

Opiates / Painkillers (semi-synthetic opiates included like oxy) / etc - I won't say they are all bad, because I believe almost all of them have legitimate medical uses. I will say some can be just unfair in how addictive they are. The pharma shit (I assume you aren't talking about street tar that has all kinds of extra garbage cut in) takes very little time to build tolerance and has probably the worst withdrawal phase of any drug. People with Opiate addiction tend to A) never see it coming because the high with opiates are often not "that good" and B) always describe why they cannot quit as NOT because they enjoy the high, but because the withdrawal is just that fucking bad.

Plus, they tend to cause sugar cravings and have some teeth / mouth damaging effects, as well as make you want to sleep all day, not do shit, not exercise, and so on. Want to know what made Eminem come up with 2 of the sickest albums of all time - everything but painkillers. What to know about how Eminem gained like 80 lbs, almost died, produced no work in 5 years, and was eating junk food to the point where teenagers at the McDonalds would treat him like a regular (and not like "OMG it's Eminem again"... Methadone.

I really think of opiates as one of the most BP drugs and I know I'm casting a wide range. Codeine and heroin are very similar opiod derivatives, and yet they are quite different in effects, so yeah I know I'm generalizing.

Being addicted to either or reliant upon either, however, is no different than needing to be "plugged into the matrix" to be the fucking man, get the woman in the red dress, and so on. To take this matrix analogy to the extreme - the better the "matrix world" is for you when you plug in, the worse the drug. And not just because getting off of it will probably be months of misery for you.

Philosophically, pain is what shapes you. For purely shitty physical pain, yeah, take what you need until it gets manageable. But when you start escaping emotional pain or even physical pain to a degree, you are cutting yourself off from the fuel that has rocketed men into greatness. Pain is important; when you do something retarded, maybe you sit on your ass all day and eat junk food, and as a result you get a anal hemorroid, you need to experience the full pain of that. You'll never fall into those ways again because you are now aware of how painful bad eating / no exercise can be. Now if you just popped vicodins before you pooped for a few weeks until they went away, you would never have traumatized yourself by the pain of plies, which truly awful. So you won't have that raw psychological fuel motivating you to do right.

Emotional pain will help you grow if you let it. If you escape it with drugs that were made to help people escape physical pain, you will just let the pain conquer you. Nothing RP about that, no matter whether it nets you the occasional fuck or not.

FreshGold · 2014-08-25T06:51:42+00:00

Hey man, glad to hear you're considering how this is impacting your life

One of the best ways I've found to reduce harmful/addictive behaviour is by making yourself accountable to someone. If you don't have anyone in real life you'd feel comfortable talking to about this stuff, send me a PM and we can organise some shit (send me a message every 2 days or something - when you know you're going to have to be honest with someone about your behaviour, it alters it a la Socrates' Ring of Gyges)

Fragglenarok · 2014-08-25T06:37:49+00:00

Stefan Molyneux is mentioned on here from time to time, and during his Robin Williams video he mentions that Robin Williams suffered from a mental construct that dictated he was only valuable or competent as a human being if he were enhanced in some way, in essence: "me plus X". Robin Williams tried it with comedy, acting, drugs, and alcohol, but he never really found peace. I'm sure there's a video out there that Stefan Molyneux's done that explains this better, but the notion that you can't be the best version of yourself unless you're using is not a healthy way of handling your business. If you lose your effectiveness when you're sober, then it's the opiates that have game, not you. Remember, you could always run out of money for your habit, or worse, become desensitized to it and need stronger stuff. Quitting cold turkey is brave, but maybe it's not enough. Can you afford professional help? It may be worth looking into.

rednukleus · 2014-08-25T12:12:51+00:00

Eventually the benefits you perceive from drugs will cease or the negatives will become apparent, and you will need to quit, but find yourself having difficulty. This is my prediction.

trudatness · 2014-08-25T14:37:07+00:00

Outside of an occasional glass of wine and/or sniff of scotch, you should always be going through life with a clear mind.

IamAwaken · Mon Aug 25 6:46:02 2014 UTC

do them if you want to

it'd be better for you if you didn't

we really don't care if you do drugs

Maaahoney · 2014-08-25T12:25:21+00:00

I've been there man. About 7 years of my life I was on opiates daily, and it all started because I liked a girl who could get them for free. I was not prescribed them, it started as recreational. And I know the invincible feeling you describe. You are seemingly invincible, relaxed, and don't give a fuck about anything but yourself. It's seemingly an ideal RP state of mind during the high. And since your high is the most important thing to you, women and other stuff are knocked right off their pedestals.

I don't know how long you've been using, though. Or your frequency and amounts, but 3 days you'll be feeling the old symptoms. There are some things I can recommend in PM. When I cleaned up, I didn't want to listen to anyone. Just let me suffer was my mindset. So, glad to hear your open for tips they can really help.

The good news is, as bad as this time sucks, after this, you'll be much stronger. Quitting cigarettes is a fucking joke once you've beat opiates. But just fight your opiate battle right now. You will probably lose friends, may even have to move, but do whatever it takes.

_Action_Bastard · 2014-08-25T18:00:14+00:00

Some drugs just wont take no for an answer.

SoSaltyDoe · 2014-08-25T20:08:04+00:00

Truthfully, my experiences with MDMA were extremely helpful in helping me see just what it's like to not be inhibited. When I was on that stuff, there was just no reason not to do something I wanted to do or talk to someone I wanted to get to know. It wasn't like cocaine either, where I would just look for trouble. Before I tried X, I was the super shy type that never had the balls to do anything about anything.

Not to say that MDMA was the sole catalyst for me getting my shit on track. It just made me realize (in an admittedly easy way) that I wasn't some guy who was "different" and that I wasn't destined to be this perpetual outcast for the rest of my life. That attractive women would actually fuck me if I put a little effort and enthusiasm into it.

Not to try and push the MDMA enthusiast attitude, but the stuff was never remotely addictive. Eventually the tolerance builds up and you don't have as good of a time on it and then you stop. With that, if something is legitimately going to help you become a better version of yourself without becoming an addiction, why not just do it?

We_Are_Legion · 2014-08-25T13:56:35+00:00

My opinion is going to be unpopular(and by drugs I assume you mean the escapism kind), but my mind and body is my temple. Why would I want to numb them?

I've never done alcohol(even though I've worked in bars). Nor smoked cigerettes or did weed. Or did anything else of the sort.

And I feel like I'm better for it.

I have indulged in meditation though. And they say a runner's high as like 1/3 of heroin. :)

HS-Thompson · 2014-08-25T16:18:37+00:00

I've been there. I had a full descent into the dark triad after an ugly sequence of events and a bit of a personal breakdown that got me addicted to stimulants. It's a bad way to live and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

One interesting side effect was that I became utterly effortless at fucking women. I slept with 150+ different women in less than a year. We're talking threesomes and foursomes with multiple magazine/runway models, picking up women on the street, in bars, on the internet. Nailing HB10++ women in sequence, sometimes three different ones independently of each other in the same 24 hour period. Stuff like that.

It was compulsive. I'm good looking enough but not that special, and I had been pretty well off and successful and could present myself as such but was absolutely broke at the time. And was a drug dealer and a fugitive at one point. And spectacularly hot women would want me to shack up at their nice apartments. Not because of drugs by the way (I kept that a secret, they weren't fucking me for drugs), it was based on literally not giving a fuck whatsoever about anything at all. I had completely given up on life and was practicing extreme nihilism.

I learned a lot about women, much of which I kind of wish I had lived my life never learning. Being plugged in to the matrix with a hot wife and money and a prestigious job actually was a quite fine way to live to be honest. I've always been a comfortable alpha, but I wasn't TRP, I just did what came naturally. And I did buy into the happy-live-ever-after-marriage-and-career mentality. Sadly I can't blame the woman for what happened next, I fucking blew it due to my own weaknesses.

Being an addict is a weakness, and despite how much you think you're special, you're not, you will be pulled under by the tide sooner or later, and a lot of the things you lose you'll never be able to get back. The trust of family and friends especially. It hurts.

I recommend just getting into a 12 step program, specifically AA. Even if you aren't an alcoholic, the steps are all the same and AA has a wide range of people from all over and they want to help you. Go in there and raise your hand and follow the suggestions. It will seem corny, you'll feel like it's not for you, and the people there are losers, and it's cliched, and you don't like the mentions of god or whatever. Suck it up and ignore that for 90 days or so and try it. Trust me on this.

I have been sober for a couple years, and one thing I can report is that the effortlessness with women hasn't gone anywhere. I fuck whoever I want whenever I want, honestly. If anything it's even easier than it was before, as I'm not compulsive any more and I am in control of myself and my body and my mental state. It's basically impossible to throw me off balance any more in conversation. Having been through what I experienced, really nothing as trivial as a woman's opinion, or a bad day at the office, or something similar, can really bother me much at all. This could be you in the future. You'll have to work for it though.

To answer your question, being red pill is incompatible with being weak and out of control.

It can get better from here.

So now go do the thing I told you to do. Today.

niczar · 2014-08-25T14:36:56+00:00

That's a strange way to describe opiates. Sounds more like what people doing coke describe. From what I understand, opiates are more like concentrated pleasure. With the strongest concentration (heroin ...) nothing else matters, that's why addicts are called junkies.

Me I have a really fucked up brain chemistry (hypersomnia, ADHD, GAD) such that downers put me right to sleep, so I can't abuse them. I need just draw a few puffs on a spliff to be out of commission for a few hours. And uppers trigger massive anxiety. About the only way I can get wasted is if I mix Ritalin with alcohol. And then I get horribly obnoxious. So I very rarely do it. The only good thing about this mess I have is I am unlikely to get addicted to any of those.

Bottom line, everybody's different wrt psychotropes. Some people have a very high tendency to be addicted to one thing or another. The main problem with current drug policy ("war on drugs") is the amount of bullshit propaganda that prevents people from making informed decisions.

Ralt · 2014-08-25T16:31:12+00:00

Hey man, glad you decided to reach out and ask for advice and opinions. I'm a polydrug addict and have dealt with the same issues, and I'm sure others have as well. First off, TRP isn't necessarily pro or anti drug, but TRP is about being the best version of yourself and living a self-dictated life.

Let me just grab some text from your OP,

I hated myself for it.

But once I stop using all this goes away.

I am so afraid of not being able to act and do the things I want to do

When you just look at those words, is this anything the man we're all trying to become would say? You are doing what every drug addict, myself included, have done. We all use to try and make up for things, or to run away from things. You literally can't accept who you are when sober, so you medicate until you begin acting in a way you desire. For a time, this will work, as you yourself have noticed. The reason why people use drugs is because they fucking work.

The issue is diminishing returns and sustainability, and these two are simply unavoidable. You will eventually need more and more to get the same results. It's a increasingly diminishing curve of a ROI for drugs, where if you spent money/time improving yourself, it's the inverse. Working on yourself socially, physically, mentally, & spiritually, only make it easier and easier to keep increasing. So, chew on that for a bit.

Seems like your drug of choice is opiates. With opiates more than most drugs the "slippery slope" which in debates is considered a logical fallacy, is an absolute truth. You've already experienced this if you've had to go through withdrawal. Using opiates leads to one fucking thing, and that is using more opiates. There is nothing to be gained permanently from using opiates, there are only things to be permanently lost. All the bitches you pull, all the fun you have, evaporate as soon as you sober up and return to acting like you normally do, as you've already noticed. Again, consider the fact that drugs provide diminishing returns as well as all the gains you get from them are transitory, what are you actually getting out of using?

You want to know what won't raise your SMV? Shooting up Dope. It doesn't sound like you've gone down that road yet, and you are massively lucky if so. Using dope will lead to this, in time. There are outliers that manage to be junkies and successful, but how much do you want to gamble that you are an outlier? You've already experienced some negative effects, you probably feel like shit right now being on your 3rd day of withdrawal. Are you baller enough to have enough cash to feed an addiction that will never stop growing? Are you alpha enough to handle the social ramifications of being a junkie?

I used to be very into 12-stepping and all about recovery, but instead I tend to use TRP as my recovery. The simple answer for me is using drugs lowers my SMV. It's as simple as that, using drugs will not make me stronger, faster, smarter, or smoother. It could however, lead me into making choices that will impact my life until I die. I'm a felon now, I got popped for a triple armed robbery. That's the end result of me using opiates, I'm branded a criminal for the rest of my life, no matter what I do or where I go. If your life isn't hard enough right now, I encourage you to keep using opiates, because I can promise you that you can make life harder on yourself.

prodigyx · 2014-08-25T16:38:36+00:00

All my game was developed under the influence of alcohol. I love drinking, I am good at it, and it makes me happy. I used to drink 100% of the time I wasn't at work. I do lots of fun things, but alcohol was always involved. I haven't fixed it completely yet. I still struggle when sober, but it is getting better. I know I am capable of doing all the things I want to do, with or without alcohol. I just need to spend more time doing them without alcohol, until it is just as comfortable as it is with alcohol.

There is no easy answer. Life is hard, addictions make like harder. Keep working at it, celebrate small victories but remember they are just a single step on a long journey.

[deleted] · 2014-08-25T16:40:43+00:00

I used to sell weed and painkillers. I smoked weed sparingly, didn't fuck with pills at all. There were always girls around, I shouldn't have been an idiot; I stuck with one girlfriend for all the years I was in the business.

slcjosh · 2014-08-25T17:29:09+00:00

If you were saying you were relying on a crutch of booze or weed to socialize, meh. But opiates are another ballgame. Get your shit together and get clean. Your mid thirties looks and health will thank you.

stealthcreeper · 2014-08-25T18:54:49+00:00

if you all really want to eat the red pill, just do mushrooms

BluepillProfessor · 2014-08-25T20:44:23+00:00

Take the drugs, but don't let them take you.

I am a long-time Medical Marijuana patient and have tried almost every drug on the planet.

Whether it is Alpha or Beta depends on the drug and the context. Taking X, Coke and Viagra to pull off an all night threesome- Alpha.

Smoking weed in your parents basement? Beta.

Getting addicted to opiates? That is just nuts. Gratz on quitting and stay strong. You don't NEED that shit. Seriously. I have had more than 1 friend die from those pills.

BedlamStatesman · 2014-08-25T21:03:10+00:00

Your addiction is a crutch, plain and simple. There is little difference between one who relies on a crutch of excuses/justifications (Beta/BP) and one who relies on a chemical crutch to get shit done (Your situation).

Drugs, in and of themselves, like RP, are amoral. They are a tool, much like anything else humans use, intended to be used to achieve a desired result. But in the end, you take the drugs, you don't let the drugs take you. One of the first buddies of mine that opened my eyes to the RP back when I was still BP, did so by showing me drugs aren't the evil monsters they're made out to be (Scott, if you're here, just know your lessons were well-spoken, and your old "Student" is grateful. You peeled the scales from my eyes, in regards to a lot of bullshit.) That being said, that doesn't mean to throw caution to the wind. You've got to respect what the drug-monkey can do to screw your world up, or else you'll end up with the monkey on your back. This is especially true in your case, where opiates are the drug-of-choice.

I am not going to speak for TRP on the matter of Pro- or Anti-Drug. This is simply my personal opinion. Take it or leave it. I'm not Anti-Drug, in fact I believe that nobody has a right to tell you what you can and cannot put into your body, Government or otherwise. That being said, we also have the freedom to act like little beta bitches. It doesn't make it a good thing to do, just because we have the freedom to do so. If you want to engage in some chemical reality-warping, and can do so responsibly, then I say by all means, indulge. But you damned sure better understand what those chemicals can do to fuck your shit up. Like a child that plays with fire, but doesn't respect what it can do to him, you're bound to get burned.

Is it you, that has the confidence, or is it the drugs talking? You seem to be having some serious doubts as to which it is. However, you'll never know unless you develop yourself to the point where you can be Alpha without a chemical cocktail swimming through your veins, and I'd argue that alone is reason enough to do so.

smokingmonkey420 · 2014-08-25T21:23:10+00:00

I'm no stranger to drugs and have had wonderful experiences as well as some pretty bad ones. Thankfully, I've never got too out of control with them.

Lately, I've had sudden realizations typical to drugs while in intense workouts.

For example, I was running sprints the other day, and realized how I screwed up an opportunity with this girl. She basically told me she was going to the gym as an invitation to come out and meet her. I didn't do it because I didn't want to come across as desperate.

You know what I realized. I should have went. The worst that would've happened is I would've went home by myself.

Now, I know better. Any time I have a chance to do something I want, I disregard what I think others might think, and simply ask myself, "what's the worst that could happen?"

I don't know if I would have understood that if I was high or drunk. All I know is that sprints make me think.

Tom_The_Human · 2014-08-25T22:31:45+00:00

Drug addiction is undoubtedly bad, however I don't have anything against drug users; if you want to do it, do it. Just be careful.

rainbowhotpocket · 2014-08-25T06:04:59+00:00

I feel like trp is against things that harm someone's SMV. Opiates and Depressants in particular are looked down upon. I would advise against. Also long term effects can harm your appearance.

flplatespin · 2014-08-25T12:07:18+00:00

Drugs are very beta. If you have to take them to live your life, you are hamstering away your reality.

Almost everyone using drugs is a low SMV with a poor career, if any. Don't tell me about how you are a CEO who smokes dope 10 times a day. No one is buying it.

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