^(credit to vampyresquids wife husband, and our newest contributor to TBP and it's hate circle, AAW.)

What if TRP is wrong?

The premise of this is flawed, and every time I hear someone say it, it just says the other person just isn't getting it. Do you want to know a secret? Do you really?

When I was first unplugging, /u/ultimatecad said something that perked my interest. That he never says I love you. Not unless he's getting sex on the regular. It was because I want to train her to fuck for comfort. Pretty crass huh? I liked that, told him I was stealing that one (and I find it is a rather good thing in my relationship too, it's a nice subtle signal that it's been a while babe, time to step up) And he basically summed up the entire RP manosphere with his response:

^Paraphrased: There. Right there, for all you fucking feminists who keep talking about this like a flawed ideology, that's all it is. Men talking to other men, swapping notes, and learning... thats it.

Thats all it is. I know Rollo talks about it like a praxeology (which it is), and when you read the description of that...

Praxeology (Gr. πρᾶξις (praxis) ″action″, λόγος (logos) ″talk, speech″) is the deductive study of human action based on the notion that humans engage in purposeful behavior, as opposed to reflexive behavior like sneezing and inanimate behavior.

You realize, this shit isn't any different than PUA. Hell, when you read 'manosphere' it kind of makes the same conclusion, though a hell of a lot more words to get there.

We are just guys. Some of us had absent dads, shitty blue pill dads, some of us had great dads, and didn't listen. A few had great dads and did listen, but didn't actually understand, and just happened into being a natural. A big nasty 'feminism' appeared and changed the game, but because we can't combine to talk about problems too well, took us a generation or two to figure out that we had better get together and start talking. (I argue it's the general civility of the modern life of abundance, and feminism just took credit for it, but thats another talk for another day)

Where do you think the professors 12 levels of dread came from? Where the Iron rules came from? Where do you think any of it came from?

Dudes, just like in the old mystery PUA days, wanted something, broke it down, came up with a theory, and told other guys. Other guys took it, implemented it, swapping notes, and eventually refining it to these wonderful axioms that we use today. Know why /u/gaylubeoil calls single moms whores and degenerates? It's because of the hundreds of guys before him that were/are dating and wifing up single moms, talking about their experiences. He takes all that, and comes to a very reasonable conclusion.

Does it work 100% of the time? Of course not. But generally, it's pretty on-point. That goes for just about everything. Should you 'never' say I love you unless you have had sex in the last 48 hours? the answer is yes/no/maybe.

And thats why TRP isn't wrong, it's not a thing that is right or wrong.

It's like calling the scientific method wrong, because we find out black holes aren't really black. Nothing wrong with the method, it's the conclusions were off, so we adjust, and carry on.

And this carries over to each one of your failures.

  • Wife won't fuck?
  • Hands too cold?
  • Tattoo artist claimed you as his prize?
  • Wanted to move the furniture around to teach her a lesson?
  • Fessed up to 'making out' with a dude in a car?
  • Wife is low quality, and only around because the law hangs over your head like a sickle?
  • Wife decided to gain weight, because why look hot anymore?
  • you decided to gain weight, because why bother?

None of this is TRP fault. None of it. Because TRP isn't a thing, it's just a word we use as shorthand, describing 30 some years of guys swapping notes. If something in here doesn't work for you, don't use it. You are responsible for yoruself, as a man. Yeah, it sucks that women get to blame the world for their problems, and a lot of the time, someone else fixes it too. Except it doesn't. Imagine a life where your only tool is to complain about something. Talk about drudgery. You were blessed with the ability to raise and fall, based on your actions. Its a double edged sword, but beats the hell out of mediocrity.

I argue that everything you are bitching about in life is largely your fault (exceptions aside, if you're a black guy in Baltimore with a broken taillight, might just be out of your hands). you could have either cut loose, acted to rectify, or changed your outlook to put up with it and stop complaining.

So yeah, TRP didn't fail you... you failed you