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The Consciously Crazy Wife

by Red-Curious | October 29, 2018 | askMRP

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About once every 6 months this situation will rear it's head, so it's worth asking about to me. Yesterday was another one of those times - almost like clockwork. I believe it's probably tied to situational depression, as it usually comes up in one of two situations: (1) within the first couple months after my wife gives birth, which should now be over, as our last kid is over a year old and I'm snipped, and (2) within a few weeks after she finishes a busy season at work, as she works 80-100 hours/wk during these times and there are 2 busy seasons a year spaced about 6 months apart. She just finished one on October 15.

Unfortunately, the stress of her busy season work life pales in comparison to the level of stress she experiences at home, dealing with the kids. She does not handle motherhood well at all. Yet she's dead-set that she wants to be around the kids more and more and that she hates working. This is part of the "conscious craziness" that she experiences - knowing that she prioritizes motherhood above her career, but that she hates the way she feels when she's around the kids for longer than 2 hours, yet can be at work for 16 hours and be happy. I could get into a lot of psychology about why I believe this is the case, but it's not worth it.


Moving on: on the way home from church yesterday she says she wants to talk about her work hours. I said "OK," knowing that she most likely wants to ask me for permission to shift from a 100% load down to 85% or 50% (I usually prefer her at 50% post-busy-season). She got upset that I just said "OK" and didn't follow-up with more. [She later said, "All you needed was to say, 'Okay, let's talk about it soon.' But no, you just said 'OK.' And that means you don't care."] I set a boundary: "The kids are in the car. I don't want to have that conversation in front of them. Let's feed them lunch first." We enter the driveway and just sit in silence for 2 minutes (I was answering a work e-mail). I ask if she's ok and she doesn't answer, so I get the kids out of the car and start cooking them lunch.

She comes in 5 minutes later screaming her head off about how I'm not supportive of her. Now, I knew she was upset, but at the time couldn't discern why (and didn't really care to), so I use some negative inquiry to avoid making assumptions: What did I do that was unsupportive? Her answer: "You just said OK." NI again: What's wrong with agreeing to have a conversation with you about your hours? She had no answer and spits back: "I know I'm being crazy and I have no rational basis for feeling this way. I just know I don't feel like you're supporting me right now." I fog and self-disclose: You're right, I'm not supporting you right now. I have no intention of supporting bad behavior.

Of course, she got even more heated after that, so I just STFU for about 5 minutes and let her talk. It's all "you this" and "you that." The last one was, "You're so mean!" That one actually made me laugh, so I put a hand on her shoulder and said, You're right, I'm the big bad wolf. Want me to start huffing and puffing? She rants for another 2-3 minutes about her feelings and that I'm not doing enough to coddle her. I STFU, smile, and nod. That set her off: "You're so manipulative. You have this power over me. It's all one big power play and you're just flaunting that you have all the power. I hate it. You know I have no power over you, but when you just stand there like that, it's like you're waving all your power in front of my face."

Now that was bizarre to me, as I hadn't said anything in something like 3 minutes (the wolf comment). So, I employ some more negative inquiry: What did I just do to manipulate you? Her: "That look. You just act like everything's normal. This is not normal!" Me: I'd be happy to smile some more to brighten the mood. Her: "No way. I know that smile. I hate it when you smile while I'm feeling like this." Me: I shrug and say, Fair enough. But I'm not going to yell and scream at you either. That wouldn't help anything. And apparently having a positive attitude or just being normal are manipulative. So, there's no way to win. Conclusion? I smile: If I can't win, I'm just going to do whatever I want and you can come back whenever you're ready. Then I went back to making the kids lunch.

She storms out of the house saying she's heading to the mall to buy some new work clothes. I don't chase after her. Note: I used to chase after her when she did that. Then I stopped and she'd get furious that I didn't chase after her anymore. Now she knows this as the norm.

Literally two minutes after storming out, she comes right back in, acting much softer. Her vernacular changed gears. Instead of "you ... you ... you" it becomes "I ... I ... I." Once she started describing how she was feeling (comfort tests), I walked over, held her in my arms, kissed her forehead, and said, "Everything's going to be fine. Just trust me. I got this." Honestly, I have no idea what "this" is that I said I "got," other than life in general. It didn't matter. She just needed to hear some catch-phrase that sounded emotionally uplifting. That was the end of it. She was happy and fine the rest of the day - cuddly even (though she had to get on a plane to Chicago, so no sex that night).

She made a comment later on about how she knows how frustrating it can be to deal with someone who is emotional without any rational basis. She cited her mom as an example: "Everyone knows my mom is crazy except for her. It drives everyone up the wall, but she doesn't have a clue how ridiculous she is. I know that I'm crazy sometimes. I make a hard effort to be conscious about when I'm acting crazy and not. But even when I know I'm being crazy and totally absurd with how I'm feeling, I can't stop it and I just keep feeling it anyway, whether it makes sense or not."


Questions:

  1. I know I probably didn't handle the situation ideally. Suggestions?

  2. What's the best way to deal with someone who consciously knows that she's acting crazy and irrational, but continues to do it anyway? That is: maintain frame and let her emotions run wild for a while, or treat the fitness tests as if they're comfort tests in an effort to calm her down?

  3. "Watch what they say, not what they do" notwithstanding, is it at all problematic if my wife has caught on to the notion that maintaining frame and playful banter in the midst of her emotions is a "power play" and that she perceives it as "manipulative"? [I recognize that she may say she hates it, yet her behavior and attitude toward me ex post facto may indicate otherwise.]

  4. Any other thoughts on dealing with this 6-month recurrence?


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Title The Consciously Crazy Wife
Author Red-Curious
Upvotes 17
Comments 43
Date 29 October 2018 06:01 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]witnessthenomorebp9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what everyone means when they say STFU until you know how to deal with them. This looked like a great outcome to me. Short ass tantrum and then back into being of value. My wife knows she is being a fucking nutjob too, doesn't mean a damn thing. They still act out, like a teenager so what? I say good job and it was a 5 minute upheaval instead of three days of bullshit.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret9 points10 points  (10 children) | Copy

First of all, busy season sucks. It's like residency. Having worked a lot of busy seasons back in the day, it sucks.

But really, it's not about the hours. It's not about the nail, remember. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg

Needed a bit of STFU there in the middle.

For this line:

"You're so manipulative. You have this power over me. It's all one big power play and you're just flaunting that you have all the power. I hate it. You know I have no power over you, but when you just stand there like that, it's like you're waving all your power in front of my face."

Put this in the context of your progression. Power dynamics have changed since, oh, you started red pill. But again, it's not about the nail. It's about a whole bunch of other things. Power dynamics. Comfort. Hamstering. Most importantly, feelz.

I'm not supportive of her.

I got this line recently, "You're not supportive of me." which is crazy, as I completely am - my wife is one of the best in the country at what she does. But what your wife and my wife are saying is "I feelz that you are not supportive of me."

  1. Honestly, I think you did fine. But more sex is required. First feelz, then sex.

  2. Consciously crazy? You should know this - Oak. Oak is required. Unless it is bad behavior, then you become a rock.

  3. It's not problematic at all if you maintain frame and your wife says she hates it. In fact, that's the best time to maintain frame.

  4. Have her change jobs into a Controller or work for a publicly traded company in their accounting department. Better hours, similar pay, no 80-100 hour weeks. Otherwise, 80-100 hr weeks would cause anybody stress. Look at what happened to Elon Musk for example.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

Thanks for the reply. This is good. I love the nail video and have shared it with many people as well. It's a safe way to communicate a somewhat fundamental RP concept that people would reject if you gave it in more direct terms.

I've been suggesting she change jobs along the lines of what you suggested for years, but I haven't escalated it beyond anything more than a mere suggestion. Honestly, her busy seasons are some of the best times for me. I get all the time with my kids, it reinforces in her mind that I'm the leader in the home and can run the ship without her - and therefore she's there not to run the ship for me, but to help me do it - and yet I still get sex at the end of the day ... and don't have to deal with her craziness 4 months in the year (2 for each busy season). So, I'm a little hesitant to have her switch jobs with how much I enjoy the busy season dynamic on my end and these weird blow-ups are only about twice a year anyway - especially when she's adamant that she doesn't want to change jobs either. But perhaps it would have greater value in the long-run.

[–]itiswr1ttenRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

It would take careful navigation on your part to broach the topic, but being a Controller of a medium sized company actually offers some pretty serious perks for a seasoned accountant, particularly one with experience that includes a few direct reports:

  • Agency: Controllers typically handle a lot of the "beyond day-to-day" a CFO or owner/operator doesn't want to deal with but still matters strategy-wise - this means getting to feel like the boss of that domain
  • Advancement: C is a natural path to the rest of the C-Suite if she sticks around and adds value long enough
  • Lifestyle: I don't think I need to add more

The key is to have someone else bring it up. If you know bankers, they usually have the drop on when a company is looking for this role (they won't tell their CPA, because that looks like a poach, or worse - they lose their favorite auditor). Sourcing it is never, ever easy - they want someone rock solid who will stick around awhile.

By having a third party bring it up, you as the husband can completely depersonalize the conversation. "Yeah, I heard that corporate has xyz benefits"; "A friend of a friend has been really making strides at ABC Corp". Not "i think" or "you should" - already tried and failed there.

I have found when the subject isn't landing from the locus of your interpersonal relationship (husband/bf/whatever) pivoting to make it "thing that a hypothetical person has done well with" is a glide path to her inserting herself into the idea and making it her own. My 0.02

[–]Red-Curious[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If I told her to, she would. The question is if I really want her to. She's also in the tax department and has no experience with the audit side.

[–]itiswr1ttenRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good info. Could still be a fit, but yes silo specialists are a tougher sale.

What's the downside to her moving, besides your alone time?

[–]rocknrollchuck4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Great advice!

Also, congrats on becoming a Mod.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Time to start getting those high-paid Mod salaries.

[–]rocknrollchuck4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know it! I just got a raise...... :)

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]JudgeDoom692 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You did a nice job holding frame during her little tantrum. You didn't react or let it get to you, or try to fix her feelz. Eventually she got it all out, (until the next time).

She could have seasonal affective disorder is she goes off in the fall every year. You might look into light therapy or medications.

[–]wkndatbernardus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

+1. Maybe just a daily vitamin D supplement would help.

[–]RedPillCoach2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

This should be a field report on MRP on holding frame and not giving into emotional manipulation, not a question seeking validation from the chorus.

What's the best way to deal with someone who consciously knows that she's acting crazy and irrational, but continues to do it anyway?

Everybody has a right to their feelings. You were trying to force her to feel good things and "get over it" which is why she got pissed and started the Shit Testing.

Next time try a bit of acknowledgement and empathy- let her vent, nod your head sympathetically and stop trying to "fix it."

Aww, that sucks.

"I feel like you are not supporting me emotionally."

Aww, that must suck.

STFU, smile, and nod. That set her off: "You're so manipulative. You have this power over me. It's all one big power play and you're just flaunting that you have all the power. I hate it. You know I have no power over you, but when you just stand there like that, it's like you're waving all your power in front of my face."

I think I just came. Sorry, what was that? Something about you having all the power and the wife complaining about it blah blah blah.

K.

FYI: Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

thoughts on dealing

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[–]Red-Curious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good stuff. Hysterical video. No clue when that became a thing.

[–]Reach180Red Beret4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know I probably didn't handle the situation ideally. Suggestions?

Don't judge how poorly things went by your memory of the moment. Wait to see how things play out in the days and weeks in the aftermath. Sometimes it's not about you. Your wife had a crazy moment. She's probably feeling sheepish about it now. As long as you didn't fold over, you're fine. My wife has occasional freak outs about whatever it is that I do that she decides she doesn't like today. If it's every six months, I'd not worry about it. Allow people the space to be mad sometimes.

What's the best way to deal with someone who consciously knows that she's acting crazy and irrational, but continues to do it anyway? That is: maintain frame and let her emotions run wild for a while, or treat the fitness tests as if they're comfort tests in an effort to calm her down?

Yes...maintain frame and let her emotions run wild. As has been said here often, women need the highs and lows...the outrage and reconciliation. This might just be a sign that she's not getting enough of that. I've been a supporter of the /u/Rian_Stone idea that you purposely give her things to be angry about. That way, she gets her feelz and it short circuits her need to come up with things to be mad about. If she's getting worked up about the things you give her to get worked up about, she's not surprising you by getting worked up about some other thing she pulls out of the blue. She's angry on your terms.

"Watch what they say, not what they do" notwithstanding, is it at all problematic if my wife has caught on to the notion that maintaining frame and playful banter in the midst of her emotions is a "power play" and that she perceives it as "manipulative"? [I recognize that she may say she hates it, yet her behavior and attitude toward me ex post facto may indicate otherwise.]

Or maybe calling your personality manipulative is her own manipulative play?

Any other thoughts on dealing with this 6-month recurrence?

Every 6 months is an acceptable meltdown, IMO. But like I say above....sprinkle nuggets of outrage her way on a regular basis and let her burn herself out before it gets to this point.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've been a supporter of the /u/Rian_Stone   [+3] idea that you purposely give her things to be angry about. That way, she gets her feelz and it short circuits her need to come up with things to be mad about.

A solid reminder that I'd much forgotten about. Thanks for that.

Or maybe calling your personality manipulative is her own manipulative play?

Absolutely. I had to resist the urge to DEER on that exact point.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Hates work - check

Can’t deal with stress - check

Wanted a big happy family - check

But Children get on her nerves - check

Acts crazy - check

Has a beta provider to listen to her - check

Awalt faggot.

You fucked up be saying “ok”. You should have allowed her to vent Feelz slowly.. if not, you get you what got on Sunday- a huge blowout. There’s an art of manufacturing her feelz out -without being an emotional tampon.

Learn to vent the feelz. Women are like zoo animals, caged in by their own emotions. They think they are free but are not.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is good - and I never thought of the gradual-release method of dealing with craziness and emotions. It gives me the mental imagery of a steam engine, which is constantly producing steam, and if it all keeps storing up it'll explode, so it releases it in controlled puffs that provide energy to whatever it is that steam engines do. Or maybe I'm crazy and don't know how steam engines work, but it helps nonetheless.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not quite, but it’ll work. But Yes, Relief valve is needed. Better to be manufactured - by you- than out of control when you least expect it.

I come home from work, sit on the bar stool, and continue the Game I started earlier in the morning. I might ask her about her day - not that I give a shit- she starts bla bla bla about work.

How salley is a bitch, tim from accounting is an asshole, how the tps reports need a different color this week, Mary’s new kitchen upgrade, how Kate is hot but really a crazy cunt, bla bla bla.. Just boo her villains and cheer her friends.

Don’t use fucking logic, all feelz, in the middle of “listening” put my finger in the top of her hot mom Jeans, pull her in for a kiss, get up, slap that ass, and walk away. Don’t engage any longer, don’t be a pussy emotional tampon.

In my dark triad post, I talked about how I sometimes bring a glass of red wine into bed late at night and get her to really open up- if you get through the first 5 minutes of bullshit and listen closely, she’ll tell you exactly what she feelz.

It’s about gathering intelligence to use later on...

Either way, Surface level, you get credit for “listening”.

Before mrp I considered myself a great listener. But I used logic and was genuinely trying to help and solve her problems..she doesn’t want that. She always complained that I didn’t listen to her and never was supportive.

Now, post mrp, I act like an asshole and she says I’m a great listener and always supportive. She just want to vent the feelz, that’s how she interprets the world- thru the feelz.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women spend most of their lives in an artificial, politically correct work environment. The natural highs and lows of female emotion are prohibited in the workplace. Women were told they can work and succeed just as men do - but in reality, they can’t.

We all know that they want to feelz. They want to move. They want to gossip. They want to feelz the highs and lows. But they aren't allowed to and all of that energy gets bottled up. This is why women love cross fit, hitting the punching bag, learning self defence (kicking a man in the nuts) and demolishing old kitchen cabinets with sledge hammers....

When women are given the opportunity to hit, kick, and break shit, they release that built up aggression and they feelz a lot better. Ever seen those make over shows? Women love breaking shit.

So what happens if a woman doesn't have the opportunity to release her energy in a constructive way? She unloads on you.

What happens if your dog sits at home all day and doesn't have the chance to release his energy? Your dog is going to piss all over your shoes & chew your shit and your wife is going to start drama & bullshit for no reason.

It doesn't matter that you're really good to your dog and give him the best food and pet him all the time. He is going to fuck your shit up.

It doesn't fucking matter that you're an understanding beta who treats her right. She is going to fuck your shit up over dirty laundry, the ungrateful kids, her work, the groceries, or something you said. Your bitch doesn't care. She certainly doesn’t love you.

She has a ton of pent up energy and you're her outlet who will receive it.

No matter how much you dodge and redirect she will continue to start shit until she has satisfied her need for stimulation. Left unchecked, she will beat you down into oblivion and blame you for it.

So what should you do? You need to provide her with a physical and emotional outlet. Force her to workout. You also need to provide an emotional release. Fuck with her. Women need drama in their lives.. and childish pranks are a thousand times better than adult arguments.

Woman are emotional beings and are at their best and horniest when basting in emotion be it positive or negative and specifically thrive on conflict. Shit needs to get crazy every once in a while - a short potent fight ticks all the boxes.

Use it as a tool to keep the hamster running and juices flowing when everything is getting too predictable.

The reason we suggest not using until you're ready is because most people will fuck it up and just create a huge shitstorm that will lower their value in their spouse's eyes.

[–]BigLebowskiBot2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said. Teasing and pranks are my primary MO - possibly even too far at times, which works incredibly well quite often. Agreed that this is better than actual argument - I never thought of it as a way for her to release some of that steam before, though. That's a helpful connection.

[–]eddielovett1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she’s working that much she probably feels bad subconsciously for not being taken care of you need to rectify by ravaging her

[–]The_LitzRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

So what are your thought on her taking time off from work?

After all that drama it was still not discussed.

If it was your plan not to discus it, it worked, but she will still want to discus it.

Personally I found it is better for my wife to keep herself busy with external work. The mom and toddler scene didn't suit her and she soon went back to her corporate job.

Don't let her become a SAHM because work is haaawrd. Treat her to a mini vac after her busy season and send her back to the salt mines.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I want her to reduce her hours during non busy season. She wants this too, but is unsure how much. I'm fine with anything between 50-85%. We've tried her stopping altogether between busy seasons and it doesn't work. She gets a ton of vacation time, which she uses liberally anyway.

[–]TaipanshimshonRed Beret3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

She she she.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I finally lost count myself

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kid with dynamite.

Lay off WISNIFG. It’s great, but it will cause autism if you try to follow it like a script.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

you are 100% in her Frame

way too many fucks given on this subject . If she is overstressed, then get used to it

If you are playing into this shit and supplicating it, you ain't seen shit, yet.

Your solid frame keeps this shit in check.

"I ask if she's ok and she doesn't answer"

why oh, why ??? she is a big girl now and nothing on your end can fix this stress she needs to handle it in her choices, to add value to you. Holy fuck, re-set

[–]lifeadept0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Behaviour of your wife is very similar to my wife when she is under stress regarding her work. Also this:

"knowing that she prioritizes motherhood above her career, but that she hates the way she feels when she's around the kids for longer than 2 hours, yet can be at work for 16 hours and be happy"

hits ground in me.

About your questions:

  1. I wouldn't follow with explanations about being happy and smiling - either you are or you are not and it sounds like DEERing a little bit. IMO what Chad wrote is a much better approach. Also, here is the post that resonated for me in similar situations (especially part about venting): https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/5mn8z6/the_meaning_of_stfu_and_how_it_relates_to_dread/
  2. I don't know if for your wife it happens during acting crazy or after. My wife also admits something similar but it usually happens after she vent. No reason to comfort imo.
  3. Does she perceive it as "manipulative" or does she suspect that by saying it is "manipulative" she can force you to DEERing? I opt for the 2nd thing.
  4. accept it, especially that you say thet you enjoy other parts of your life during those periods :)

[–]lionmenden0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read "Practical Female Psychology for the Practical Man", it's basically NMMNG but explaining about women instead. I think it will give you much better insight into her behavior. It's the second most useful book I've seen recommended here.

[–]redwall920 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Any other thoughts on dealing with this 6-month recurrence?

My wife swears she has some sort of Seasonal Effective Change Disorder. She says it like the first letters ought to be capitalized; says she's looked it up and it's a real thing, and she's got it. She bought a really bright light that'll give you sunburn to use during the Winter months. She says it helps. I'm supportive of a sugar pill if it helps moods change. And I'll be honest ... I do believe the length of days around here, the shorter days in the Winter, does affect her moods.

so I just STFU for about 5 minutes and let her talk. It's all "you this" and "you that." The last one was, "You're so mean!" That one actually made me laugh, so I put a hand on her shoulder and said, You're right, I'm the big bad wolf. Want me to start huffing and puffing? She rants for another 2-3 minutes about her feelings and that I'm not doing enough to coddle her.

Five minutes is a friggin' eternity to listen to that shit. If my wife starts in with the 'you' barrels, it's normally about the past. I calmly tell her "I'm still working on my time machine" and then move on with the conversation in another direction or move on with my day in another room if she wants to keep firing in my direction. My wife hates the calm smile as well. She's commented on how much she hates it before.

[–]Red-Curious[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

My wife hates the calm smile as well. She's commented on how much she hates it before.

I think they interpret it as a sign of intentionally flaunting to her that she has no power over you. To her, that's worse than me maintaining an even composure. It doesn't stop me from doing it, though - especially when it comes out because I'm trying to hold back actual laughter.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I made it half way then ADD.

Honestly sounds like your wife needs a good fucking. Maybe a weekend alone with you.

Remind her she is a girl not a woman.

[–]Tebulus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She counter is at 39. How is that an indicator of anything except that you are attacking this problem from her emotional perspective for her with her stress level as your reasoning. What about her response or this series of events made you think this wasn't basic bitch shit?

I know that I'm crazy sometimes. I make a hard effort to be conscious about when I'm acting crazy and not. But even when I know I'm being crazy and totally absurd with how I'm feeling, I can't stop it and I just keep feeling it anyway, whether it makes sense or not."

Not special at all. I have heard this from emotionally intelligent women before. Doesn't mean shit except that they tend to be able to calm themselves down after they have already gone and made a tantrum.

Its one thing if you see your wife struggling on her own and independently make a decision to help ease her stress level in fact I would encourage that. Its another to get bitched at like a fool and then retroactively try to fix the original nonsensical complaint when it is well understood by all parties that this was just a tantrum.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You put your dick in crazy...

Is the sex good, at least, during this time?

[–]Red-Curious[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes.

[–]Finuul4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

All women are crazy. Better one that owns up to it than one that thinks she's not.

[–]puppet_of_reality-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your version of logic does not give the appropriate weight to emotion. Things that you think make sense don't. Your wife is a biological being that was not evolved to operate in the way that you believe we should operate. 'okay' was not the appropriate response and was not the reason for her acting the way she did, it was just the trigger. You clearly have no understanding of human psychology, you should see a psychologist together. It could improve your life in a very big way if you don't let your ego get in the way of it, but most people do in these situations.



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