So, can marriage work?

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January 19, 2018

Since I found TRP around 7 months ago I've internalised and accepted AWALT from personal experience, logic and experiences of others here.

Despite no longer having any interest in marriage or a unicorn I still really want to have children.

I'm 20 and am on the right path to having a successfully careers, I'm doing a STEM degree at a top university etc, I've been completely financially independent since I was 17 I have pretty much all aspects of my life sorted out.

I don't think it's good for the child to grow up in a broken household and I would want to see them 7/7 days of the week rather than settling for 5/7 or even worse and realistically I think marriage is what is best for the kids.

Obviously I'm in no rush to get married but I'm trying to plan out my future.

So back to the question, is it possible to have a long, happy marriage if you keep frame and choose a suitable partner?

And if so what are all the green flags which are a must have when it comes to preselection, how can you tell if they're lying about their N count?


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Title So, can marriage work?
Author stergaron2718
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Date 19 January 2018 01:36 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes, marriage can work (my perspective after 8 years of marriage, several kids, and the outlook is still very good). It takes a lot of work, but it is very viable to have a happy stable marriage. Since this is an MRP forum, my thoughts:

N-Count doesn't really matter. (too high or too low may present other issues that will surface, but by themselves it doesn't matter). For me, I just don't want to know, I've never asked and I've never stated my n-count either.

Don't get married before 30... though I wish I had started having kids a bit earlier, I had a lot of fun (and personal growth) prior to meeting my wife.

Picking the correct partner is huge. They need a level of maturity, as do you. If as girlfriend/boyfriend, atomic bombs have been dropped during arguments, then the relationship will be toxic eventually. Words and deeds are not forgotten easily. Finding someone you can argue with in a respectful manner will go a long long way.

For me, a career driven girl is important.

Marry someone because you really really like being around them. Not because they are hot and that makes you feel like you have won a prize. Someone who gets along with all people is a good indicator of good LTR traits. How do they treat the service/waitstaff is cliche but important.

For LTR/marriage, avoid girls who don't seem to have many friends, or cycles through friends often. Be sure to see-through a girl who asks for favors and seems to have trouble with their parents (or is generally plotting to get "more" from their parents).

After you've selected a good LTR/mate, the rest is up to you. Nothing is ever assured in this life, but lifting, frame, fun, and mission will help maintain a good marriage.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would agree with this - especially the "don't get married before 30" advice. I've seen way too many people get married too young.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Heres one more. Early 20s. Yeah that was stupid.

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

If I were to tell 20 year old me something about how to do it right I would give the following advice:

  1. Put your career above all else. Take the shitty location assignments that advance you. Push for a promotion every year. Be the guy that is indispensable in your department. Take every interview and work to improve your income. You should early in your career be able to move your salary on average 10-20% a year. Every raise you get early will multiply later.
  2. Save every bit of money you can. Every bit. Live with a roommate. Always drive a used but paid off car (this should be a honda first, toyota second). You need to have a bag full of fuck you money. A years salary would be your goal. Boss says "Um yeah, I'm gonna need you to work this weekend". You say fuck you. The company has layoffs coming, you volunteer and say, "Fuck you!"
  3. Pray to the iron temple. Always. In the words of Henry Rollins, "The iron never lies"
  4. Take all that money you saved, and secure in the fact with your pile of fuck you money, start investing in passive sources of income. Real estate, coin ops, REIT's, whatever. You want something that can add to your regular income so you have an even bigger pile of fuck you money. Your goal is to get to half your income be passive.
  5. Fuck bitches, but don't LTR one. There's plenty of pussy to go around and you will always be able to have your fill. Don't sweat locking it down. If a bitch starts getting angsty about being wifed up, kick her shit to the curb or downgrade to plate. There is always someone who will take her place. Do not let any bitch change your plans.
  6. Take that pile of fuck you money and those passive income generating assets and start to put them in a decent asset protection plan. Get a good lawyer and have it all drawn up and locked down tight. The better the plan the bigger the safety net.

Hopefully you've done well and now you are at my age, in your early 40's. You're still jacked because of your devotion to the Church of Iron. Your cock still works great and you can suit up and slay with the best of them.

You also have more money than 99% of the guys your age it shows. Because now you truly have options. You can go on vacations. You can buy a house. You maybe have already bought yourself a sweet ride. You can look at desperate cock carousel riders who are trying to lock down beta providers and spot them a mile away. You can look at post wall harpies with pitty for wasting their youth. Most of all you can have your pick of grade A top notch choice baby making pussy because you will have become the elusive 1% of 1%, the Alpha Provider.

Have kids, get married (You have great lawyers already) but do it with the resources that back you up so that you know no matter what, you can move on with your life and have fun. An Alpha man with a mission and all the resources he needs is a man the right woman would follow into the depths of hell. Go be that man, and the marriage question will answer itself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I stuck up a post on the main page just over 2 weeks ago...

20 and lost? Advice from an old guy.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Many things can work. Why do you want to is the question.

And what does "work" even mean?

[–]SeamusAwl4 points5 points  (25 children) | Copy

Wrong question. Can you make marriage work?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (23 children) | Copy

Not sure it is.

Point of the question was if I pick the right person and play it perfectly will it work.

However by implying that it's down to me whether I'd make a potential marriage work or not answers my question with a yes but leaves out details on what sort of woman is suitable.

[–]SeamusAwl1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy

Maintaining a good marriage is hard work. Especially to continue getting what you want from it. It is all on you and that is why mrp is red pill on hard mode. That is why the question should be “can I make marriage work” and not “does it work?”

[–]outlawrp2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy

No comment

[–]SeamusAwl0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

You obviously didnt understand me.

[–]outlawrp0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

Perhaps I did not.

[–]SeamusAwl0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

Really? Women over time wear down their husbands. The whole betafication process. Just because you come into a marriage with a strong frame and alpha qualities, doesn’t mean she wont break then down over time. It wouldn’t be as quick as 1 year in. But 10 years in you will likely be nothing but a beta provider. Not succumbing to the betafication process is what i mean by maintaining a good marriage. A good marriage is one where the husband is getting what HE wants out of it. I agree with you on the whole flywheel analogy where it takes less effort to maintain then to get it going. But it is still going to be hard work.

And maintaining a good marriage is all on you. You are the captain. If your marriage is shit, its because you are shit. Granted the wife could be of particular low quality, but that should have been found out before you got married. Again, on the man for marrying such a woman. I am responsible for my wife and family. It is on me to keep them safe, to keep them fed, to keep them clothed. Ultimately i am the responsible party.

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Women over time wear down their husbands

Get rid of that victim bullshit.

[–]SeamusAwl0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Lol. It was an observation of how seeming alphas end up beta. I am not claiming i am a victim.

[–]Marcus_Aurtrillius0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"seeming alphas" is the key phrase.

Of course a single muthafucka in his 20s is gonna SEEM alpha. If he has his own place, own car, own money, he can do wtf he wants.

But soon as that wagon gets hitched to a bitch he's beta. And then he comes here saying "I got beta-fied."

Bullllllshit. You were beta all along and didn't even know it. All your wife/ltr did was shine a light on it.

[–]snatch_haggis0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Just because you come into a marriage with a strong frame and alpha qualities, doesn’t mean she wont break then down over time. It wouldn’t be as quick as 1 year in. But 10 years in you will likely be nothing but a beta provider.

This is something we trot around here a lot but I wonder how true it is. I feel like a lot of us thought we were alphas and the alpha exterior slowly wore away. Perhaps why we were the marrying kind in the first place.

[–]Marcus_Aurtrillius1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's bullshit IMO. Sheep in wolf clothing.

Pretty much everyone that comes here, in their intro post, says some shit like, "lifetime Alpha, but became beta over time." Horseshit. You were always beta, but no one was around (no gf/wife/ltr) to prove it.

[–]snatch_haggis1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even if TRP-aware, in our younger days most guys are more likely to focus on PUA stuff and cheat codes vs inner game. It takes a lot to withstand the full-on assault on one's frame that is 24x7 cohabitation with a female, and a lot of us think we have it until we don't.

It's easier to say "I started out a tough young buck and now I'm holding her purse while she tries on dresses at Saffee's, guess I lost my Alpha" than it is to own up to never truly having your shit 100% on lock.

Need to start giving out Book of Pook like Gideon's bibles for college dorm rooms or something.

[–]SeamusAwl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is why i said alpha qualities. Before i married my wife, there were several things i did that we (red pill men) hold as alpha traits. Like not tolerating her disrespect, lifting, i lived alone in my early 20s and took care of myself. Was I a “Chad?” No fricken way but she saw me as an alpha male. Now? Mentally i am much more alpha and more of a man then i ever have been. I realized i was shit, i knew on a subconscious level i wasnt being a man. I naturally knew what to do, but was too much of a nice guy and had let some childhood shithood stop me from doing it.

[–]PeggedByOwlette0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your 20 and have not fucked it up yet. You have read the rational male right? You stand on your own, independent until 30 ish. Spin plates, educate, maneuver. Then, choose from your current plates a woman to invite into YOUR life (frame).

This is not how I did it or most of us for that matter but we would, if we could be you. So don't let us down!

Apparently it's much easier to maintain the type of marriage you are after if you set up the foundation like the rational male talks about. Most of us are trying to to a course correction to get close to where we should be.

No man in the history of men have properly vetted a woman before marriage. Not even rolo himself. I think that's paraphrasd from the book.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

However by implying that it's down to me ... leaves out details on what sort of woman is suitable.

You're still missing /u/SeamusAwl's point. AWALT; marriage will work with most women if the man is good enough to make it work.

For happiest results and ease of operation, pick someone

  • whose mission includes raising a family

  • who is highly attracted to you, including sexually

  • who is physically and mentally healthy

  • who is emotionally stable and secure

  • who you find very attractive

  • who you like a lot

The rest is all on you. Thinking that it depends mostly on her (finding the right unicorn) is BP thinking.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Do you honestly think most women have all of those traits you've listed? Not the 2nd point but the rest?

I think it's very naive to suggest that finding the right woman isn't dependent at all on the outcome of a marriage, it's not blue pill thinking it's just AWALT though some are more likely than others to cheat for no reason.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you honestly think most women have all of those traits you've listed? Not the 2nd point but the rest?

The majority I know, yes, or yes enough.

I think it's very naive to suggest that finding the right woman isn't dependent at all on the outcome of a marriage

The naivety is mostly on your side, BP Disney Boy. You have no idea of the power of MRP awareness and behavior, and what it means to be a prize worth holding.

Edit: Do you really imagine that many women are cheating on or divorcing high-quality, attractive husbands who own their shit, actively father their kids, have strong, masculine frame, engage and game their wives, and are fit and strong? I never see it. Read here, or the weekly OYS threads at /r/marriedredpill, or /r/DeadBedrooms/, and you'll find that it's fat, weak, frameless, Nice Guy, passive-aggressive, lazy, mission-less or jobless losers whose marriages are in trouble, along with a very few who married borderline or downright crazy. Women are cheating on and divorcing pathetic losers (or sometimes men who abuse or neglect them), not on solid, worthwhile, RP-aware men. Pay less attention to the fears, anger, whining, and defensive misogyny of losers or those deeply scarred from having been badly burned before their awakening (unless you intend to be one yourself.)

[–]PersaeusRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Do you honestly think most women have all of those traits you've listed?

there are lots of women that meet that criteria; and a lot that don't. check your abundance mentality because it's lacking.

I think it's very naive to suggest that finding the right woman the outcome of a marriage isn't dependent at all on the outcome of a marriage finding the right woman.

check your sentence structure too. duh. don't stick your dick in crazy and don't marry a cunt. also check out her parents. is her dad the man and her mom the woman? one of many green flags to look for. can she "adult" as a single woman? hold a job, manage her money, apartment clean, can cook. you don't want a woman-child.

with the exception of "like a lot", it's not rocket science. "like a lot" is a bit harder because you have to separate the woman (person) from her magic vagina.

i'm a big fan of taking a woman on a "test trip". take her backpacking or on some trip where their will be hardships, shit will get fucked up . . . see how she handles it? if she loses her shit and blames you for everything how do you think it will go with a baby?

as far as kids go, i'm a fan of marriage. my reasoning is you want the best woman you can get; and said woman has agency. marriage as an institution is stacked in favor of the woman. why would any smart woman want to raise kids and not have that advantage. if you can't do the time; don't do the crime.

some are more likely than others to cheat for no reason

ahhh, now we get to your problem and fear. if you can't internalize the mental model "she's not yours; it's just your turn" don't get married. she'll wipe the floor with you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"i'm a big fan of taking a woman on a "test trip". take her backpacking or on some trip where their will be hardships, shit will get fucked up . . . see how she handles it? if she loses her shit and blames you for everything how do you think it will go with a baby?"

... a BPD test or a proclivity to shit test -test

[–]PersaeusRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Neither , just a cunt test.

[–]tslextslex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This. See my longer post above.

AWALT, even my amazing wife of 26 years. AWALT.

So making the marriage work falls to you. Do or do not.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes sexist family laws exist that can strip men of property and paternity at a whim, but dad's of quality girls will insist upon marriage. Marriage is what fathers advocate to their daughters, as it's in their interest due to the power imbalance that currently is enforced by our feminazi state. I know that I'll see my grandchildren, because of these laws/conditions. With that being said, yes marriage can work and no it's not hard work, but you have to be a natural at it or learn to be one. As Rollo and you have mentioned starting out a dominant frame and keeping that up for the marriage is needed. Is that hard work -- no it's not. If you read MRP, you know you have to be the head of household and the family leader in though and practice Picking the right girl is a matter of sorting for qualities you value. I valued - attractive face, C or D cup, cooking, cleaning skills, laundry, and good with children. I wish I had selected also for family health history and a genetic screening battery to look for health issue that could be passed on to my kids. Things like good eyesight, intelligence, and bone structure should not be overlooked if you want kids. After reading MRP, I would look for BPD. Don't know how to do that though other than exposure to her

[–]snatch_haggis0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

First of all, as others have said, you're 20, man. Go out and have fun, and at least get through school and settled into your adult life first.

Not directly your question per se, but IMO you won't be ready for any kind of LTR until you're fully okay with being alone and on your own, so if you're planning out your life right now, plan for a decent number of years post-college where you're self-supporting on your own.

Props for being independent since 17, but it's still a bit different now vs being independent in your early stages of career when you're a taxpayer, homeowner, etc.

You've gotten a lot of good advice on the larger question already, so let's hit your fears head on.

I don't think it's good for the child to grow up in a broken household and I would want to see them 7/7 days of the week rather than settling for 5/7 or even worse and realistically I think marriage is what is best for the kids.

You have some control over this outcome, but you don't have complete control of it by any means. You can screen, you can apply all the principles here, but there are still no guarantees. She could still go crazy, she could hide some major character flaws during courtship, you could grow to hate her face, or her mother, or whatever. There are no guarantees, no matter how many green flags there are.

Also, if you approach your marriage post-kids with the attitude of avoiding divorce at all costs, you no longer have any leverage. The party in power in a negotiation is the party willing to walk away, so you have to internalize that.

The good news is, the research on divorced kids shows kids in an unhappy marriage do worse than kids in a happy divorce, and likewise kids in an unhappy divorce do about as bad as kids in an unhappy marriage. So if you do ever end up in divorce, you can have some influence over the outcome by your own actions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is a loaded question. Short answer, no, marriage cannot work if you think marriage is happily ever after. We do not live in a Disney world. I will rephrase your query then answer it. The correct question is can I have a decent relationship with a woman, have kids and maintain maximum contact with them. The answer to all three sections of that query is yes, provided your expectations are reasonable, you are red pill aware and you succeed in life. Get the idea of a perfect, happy marriage and family out of your head. Humans are not monogamous but you can have a great relationship, kids and family, for however long it lasts. Then you need to make sure you are alpha enough and have enough resources to ensure you get access to your kids. It’s not that hard, men all around the world have made it work and you can too. Don’t listen to red pill bogeyman stories of doom and gloom. These only apply to beta bitches. So ask yourself this, are you a bitch?

[–]tslextslex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Married at 31. We are 26 years in, two sons. And it works very well. Why? A lot of reasons but here are two that you can apply.

First thing: She wanted to be a WIFE. She is lots of things -- a professional, an artist, etc -- and yes, AWALT, but she came at the marriage from the perspective of wanting to be a wife.

Second thing: I was tremendously explicit from the outset about what I would expect from a wife and what she could expect from me. That is: What was it going to mean to be MY wife. We talked about the nature and particulars of the relationship in detail and were very frank about it. I wanted a first mate who understood I was the captain. If she wanted something else, well that was fine, but I wasn't her guy and we'd both move on. We set clear expectations for and of each other and -- with of course understandable slips -- we have met those. The crucial part of that has been me owning my own shit has flawlessly as I can, holding myself to those standards, and holding frame, come what may, because -- yeah -- AWALT.

She is still adorable. She has shown courage and determination and a tremendous work ethic when needed. She has been a great mom, and advanced far in her profession and art, while never losing the ability and DESIRE to be the follower at home. She still wants to be a WIFE, still wants to be the kind of wife I want.

Now, AWALT. (Did I mention that yet?) Don't doubt it. She will hamster. She will comfort test. She even -- but VERY rarely -- will shit test. (Although the not fun kind of spankings helped with that.) But you know AWALT already. If you are going to marry at all, your wife will be no exception. So making marriage work -- and it can -- ultimately falls on you. Indeed, in some ways AWALT makes that easier, because you can pretty much predict outcomes to certain input pretty well.

So, do you want to be a HUSBAND (which to me means a willingness to be sexually faithful to one person)? Then marriage is on the table. If all you want is kids who have a mom, that's maybe doable, too. But the marriage relationship has to have priority of being co-parents, or don't bother.

[–]nantucketghost0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Late to the thread, but yet it can work.

N count? At your age, they usually aren't lying. They will lie 10 years from then when they're trying to settle down. Still shouldn't be many being that young. If it is, that's not a good sign of things to come.

Marriage? I got engaged when I was 21 to my now wife. We've been married for 19 years this year. Best fucking girl in the world for me. Perfect? Nah, none of us are. But if you focus on everything you don't have and not what you do have, you'll never be satisfied. That being said, there are a ton of guys that would kill for what I have.

Always be yourself from the start. Don't ever lie or pretend to be someone you're not. That's huge. Don't say something to agree with her just to try and get in her pants.

The key is picking someone that's going to be perfect for YOU. So if you can't be yourself dating then there is no hope in marriage.

Let them know early on where the door is. Women are more malleable than men and are more willing to adapt and adopt their man's style and way of thinking. That being said, if she ever describers herself as a feminist, you walk away. Is that clear? No self-respecting women I know would ever call herself that.

Marriage? It's awesome. Really is. You are the alpha, but it means you use your power carefully. I'll let my wife do what she wants a lot. I'll do things I wouldn't normally do if on my own. Whatever. Makes her happy. But I have a veto power and she knows it. So when I say 'no', she's learned not to push again. I meant no, foot down, that's it.

You have that power, but you have to only use it when you truly mean it. It's the men that overuse that power that their wives will become resentful and hateful for it.

Save money for the future, invest in your 401k for the full match. Two people in life can go a lot further together than not.

[–]markpf730 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Dude - you're 20 - go out, be fucking awesome and fill that void in you with something other than planning or fantasizing about having kids one day.

You should be worrying more about how not to have kids too soon with the wrong woman.

[–]nonnimooseWoman, something something dark side0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

THIS. If I had a son, this would be my advice to him. Especially the 2nd sentence.

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So back to the question, is it possible to have a long, happy marriage if you keep frame and choose a suitable partner?

It's possible, but not probable, especially for someone who needs to ask that question.

For the vast majority of men, marriage would be stupid. It's a financial and legal arrangement with substantial risk.

In my case, I've enjoyed at least $50,000 tax savings in addition to smaller savings on insurance and other costs. There have also been social benefits and simplified paperwork for children's activities. It works because I wouldn't hesitate to take the financial and social penalties of divorce if things were to go badly.

For reference, I'm from a demographic with less than 20% rate of divorce, have always been confident and assertive, and did things in a way that is similar to the red pill since I was a teen. Is that you?

[–]imElnumerouno0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Im 41 been married 2x. Currently working on it. "so, can marriage work?" I dont thing so, unless your the 1% that has everything together and constantly making more money and can "wow" her all the time year after year... even 20 years later. Only BP men get married is my opinion. Im BP and hate it. Working on my life and IDGAF attitude, because I really don't want to give a fuck... It just takes a while to get IDGAF when you were beaten into submission from birth. This world wants control over us.. Stay single and enjoy women like cars. Sick of one, get a different one... But with all that said, i think to many men settle without really knowing what they want in a woman. I know i am very guilty of thinking "this is a good one" to soon.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Why marriage?

Why this single minded route?

I don't fucking get it!!

You can have offspring without marriage. Depending on where you live, you will 99% of the time will have rights to that kid unless your a throughout fuck up.. Your 20, open your fucking mind! Cohabitation, marriage, Civil Union, Legal agreements in place of marriage, etc. Google "alternatives to marriage" and do some fucking research on what works best for you.

The Millennials have started to avoid and put off marriage, because it is hard mode! They see that! This is the wrong question. "Can Marriage work?" It's what do I want my relationship with my babies mamma to look like and marriage is a pitfall to men. Most of us at MRP woke up one day while fucking married and said, "Shit, I am knee deep in her ass, the courts could fuck me over, how do I make me the most optimal person before I decide this just won't work and I nuke it." There was no back peddling from already being married.

You my friend... Have a chance to do something different then waking up and realizing you are a beta bitch. Do it!

Edit: Jumbled words

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not really sure where your anger or reaction is coming from.

I grew up in a household where my parents were married and I'm happy I did and would like the same for my children because I think that's the best way to go about raising a child.

Not getting married would just cause problems because any self respecting woman who's living with the man she has kids with will want to get married and it would drive her away if not.

[–]hystericalbonding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd look at suitability as a co-parent separately from suitability for marriage. Some women would be good at one and not the other. Same goes for men.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

That is not what I have seen empirically.

Not getting married would just cause problems because any self respecting woman who's living with the man she has kids with will want to get married and it would drive her away if not.

The very statement is false by the use of the word “any”. Many self respecting women I have met would cohabitate with a man they have kids with without marriage, but will push for marriage. They would do this if they value and trust the man or if this is there best option.

As for marriage... happy marriage statistically speaking is rare. 50% divorce rate, 40% report being unhappily married. The system is falling apart.

You want marriage... cool... IDFC... good luck. Understand that it is hard and no amount of explaining guys do on here will give you an idea of how hard this shit can be unless you go there.

Like, “ya, they say it’s hard, but I’ll deal with it,” 5 years latter.. “WTF! My special little unicorn shat on my heart and fucked Chad! I vetted her!”

AWALT... buddy... that’s hypergamy...

Edit: Realize that ditching a wife when shit goes wrong is hard. If you cohabitate and have legal agreements, you have options... options are good...

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is not what I have seen empirically.

You know where empirical data gets fucked up? When your experiments aren't self contained and you have confounding variables. Be careful about the misapplication of data.

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