Is RP internally consistent?

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August 4, 2017

Out of one side of the mouth I hear things like "all women are like that." Then, when people are complaining about bad marriages, the other side of the mouth screams, "Next! Next! NEXT!!!"

If "the red pill" is supposed to describe how all women are, how is it that the solution to so many situations isn't "you're doing it wrong" - it's "just next her, she's not going to respond"?

This attitude leads me to two possible conclusions:

  1. All women are not actually like that. RP is only successful when applied to women who respond to RP tactics (duh), but it will be ineffective against many women, so just go to the next one and the next one until you find someone who actually does respond to RP tactics. If you find a woman who responds to purple pill tactics, or love languages or whatever - apply that method instead and you'll have more luck.

  2. RP is true and all women really are like that, but you're all just too lazy to put in the effort and time to turn your wives around.

What say you? What am I missing here?

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Title Is RP internally consistent?
Author ruizbujc
Upvotes 10
Comments 42
Date 04 August 2017 05:34 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]atlhartRed Beret14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think you're problem is that you think that every dumb fuck in here gets it. We've got an 80/20 thing going. Only 20% of the faggots in here even get it.

Here's how you can tell who gets it:

1)People who get it: talk about improving yourself, talk about sidebar. They take control of their own destiny. They aren't victims. They recognize AWALT and that if your wife is a bitch, it's cause you're a bigger bitch.

2)People who don't get it: think you're one of the unlucky ones who just ended up with a bitch. think that nexting is always the solution. think that they are victims because they were unlucky. they do not sidebar, they do not accept responsibility for their lives. What these losers fail to realize is that until you fix yourself, women will always treat you this way, and you'll continue to be in an endless cycle of nexting women because it's too hard for you to actual face the real problem, which is you.

The power of MRP lies in the ability to accept that anything you are unhappy about in your life rests in your hands. You are responsible. You fucked it all up. And because of that, you also have the power to unfuck it. Realizing its all your fault is the most powerful thing you can do.

Or you can say it's your wifes fault, be a victim, and continue to be a little faggot.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thank you. There are sane people on reddit.

[–]atlhartRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

And, as an aside, I think this is the major dividing point between TRP and MRP, at least as the subs exist today. TRP is populated mostly by folks that fall into the second group.

[–]askmeanything28 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Next! Next! NEXT!!!"

Actually The Red Pill is "Change! Change! CHANGE!!!". Keep doing the same stupid stuff, get the same stupid results.

Try being a man for a year. You will find yourself a lot happier, and the females in your life will be a lot happier. Win win.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

People take AWALT as a pejorative. It's not.

It's a pile of behaviours that tend to happen predictably within women. Reference

All it does is give a good heuristic for behavior. If the thousand guys before you noticed a pattern, chances are, you're going to see the same, so be prepared for it

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comes up about once a month.

AWALT, All Women Are Like That. Or another way of saying it, All Women Can Be Like That, Don't be Surprised.

You're dating this awesome girl, she's funny and great. 3 months into it, you tell her you're going out with the guys and she's like "fine." But she was so cool. WTF? AWALT.

You're parents announce after 45 years of marriage that they are getting divorced. Your sweet loving mom, the woman who kissed you booboos rakes your dad over the coals. The woman who baked cup cakes for you, fucks your dad in the legal ass like he was a prison bitch. AWALT.

Your 13 year old daughter screams at the top of her lungs, "I hate you! You're making my life miserable!" because you told her that she can't go out with her friends past midnight. AWALT.

The answer is actually really simple. All women have the capacity to do shitty things, so don't be surprised. The counter to AWALT is you should be the best man you can be, so that a) you get her best and b) you are cognizant enough to recognize when you aren't.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy

Clearly you don't know how statistics work. There's a big lump around the average, and there are some outliers on either end. AWALT still applies, all women have certain tendencies, how pronounced they are varies. AWALT never equals zero.

Also, something doesn't need to be true to be useful. AWALT is useful. Thinking you have a unicorn that "wouldn't do THAT" isn't a useful belief. A corresponding belief can be found in the firearms world. All Guns Are Always Loaded (AGAAL). Is AGAAL true? No. Is it a useful rule to follow so that no one unintentionally gets shot? Yes.

Cries of NEXT are a whole different story, completely unrelated to AWALT. Next is usually used when there's a huge red flag, or something happened that will just take too much effort to recover from. Sometimes you need to understand opportunity cost. A woman has seen you so horribly beta that it would take years and a supermodel sucking your dick in front of her to change what she thinks of you. Clearly your time would be better spent elsewhere.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy

trigger warning for the statistically sensitive: this post assumes a gaussian distribution

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

I prefer "normal distribution". It just sounds less pretentious that way.

Most of life follows a normal distribution, with some exceptions. In most of the exceptions, we usually assume a normal distribution anyway...

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

totally fucks up the models though if the assumption is wrong.

for example, i'd bet money that AWALT is more bimodal than normal - and that has interesting implications for MRP.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

LOL, it's called a "simplifying assumption". You explain bimodal distributions to the noobs, and then explain that AWALT. Right after you do that, I'll follow up with an explanation on the Poisson process and the gamma distribution.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

So what are the two modes you're suggesting? I'm curious

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

mode 1 = normal

mode 2 = crazy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

whats normal?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Anything that reduces conflict lol.

AKA, subjective as fuck

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

you must get off asking the most pedantic questions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

You usually have better insight than that.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

i don't tend to waste my time on stupid questions though.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If "the red pill" is supposed to describe how all women are, how is it that the solution to most situations isn't "you're doing it wrong" - it's "just next her she's not going to respond."?

This attitude leads me to two possible conclusions:

1) Bullshit.

2) Less bullshit.

Well Ruiz, you are confused because:

1) You are on the wrong sub

2) Your hypothesis is flawed because you are asking the wrong question in the wrong place.

It's like failing your math test and going to the French teacher to explain to you in French the philosophy of why it matters whether or not you failed your math test. And you don't even speak fucking French.

Yeah, it's just that stupid, like your hypothesis.

1) The red pill does not describe how all women are. Swallowing the red pill does not change women. It changes YOU! What follows is other people's changes to your change, which is not limited to women.

A woman behaved a certain way when she got married. The man slipped into (more) betadom and she reacted negatively to his negative changes. He swallows the red pill, finds his manhood and starts becoming awesome at being a man. She finds him more attractive and the feminine in her responds more positively to his more masculine nature.

BUT, and pay attention to this, it's all about HIM. He must take 100% responsibility for the changes, before/during/after swallowing the red pill.

2) "how is it that the solution to most situations isn't "you're doing it wrong" ...

The solution HERE to most situations is that you ARE DOING IT WRONG.

To illustrate my point, read the last 50 posts on MRP and askMRP and count how many times the poster is told, "you're doing it wrong," and how many time he is told, "next."

You can include the violent assaults like tazing and the absolute shittiest of affairs in the "next" column. But even then, some still say it's fixable.

This is MRP. It exists because it is different than TRP.

When you understand the difference between these, come back and challenge our existence more succinctly.

In the meantime, something motivated you to ask your questions and challenge us.

What's really on your mind?

Wife trouble?

Why don't you ask us what you REALLY want to know and we might be able to help yourself.

Otherwise, fuck off with your stupid questions based on a stupider (sic) hypothesis.

Go waste TRPs time with your bullshit.

[–]BobbyPeru1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This isn't about "tactics."

It's about becoming awesome with or without her.

Lift, read the sidebar, and become awesome.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well, lifting, OI are tactics to acheve that strategy.

Strategy, operations, tactics.

[–]BobbyPeru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe good tactics to develop frame, but OP seems like he's trying to get in women's frame

[–]Soberskipper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Alot of newbies and people who half ass think trp is some sort of jedi mind trick that can help you manipulate women and sheep. What I think your failing to understand is trp is really just the understand of human genetics, Human nature, biology and evolution of human beings. In the modern world the government's and media outlets smokescreen our actual natural instincts and replace them with homosexual TV presenters or whatever on prime time TV for kids to see. They are repressing masculinity and shaming it. The term AWALT is just a biological explanation as to why women react to certain situations with certain responses weather it be good or bad. Tbh I think there's a case for amalt too. Give 2 guys some tools in the jungle alone and it's a given that they'll start building a shelter. Thats just male human nature.

[–]hystericalbonding1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

There's an ancient myth that if you say "AWALT doesn't mean AWATS" three times, /u/jacktenofhearts will appear and explain why your wife hates you.

There's not one unifying approach to women that works in all cases. There are common threads in behavior that aren't discussed as much or as bluntly in other venues. RP is a whole bunch of guys sharing what works and what doesn't in their experience, but context matters for individuals.

For example, there's a buttload of research showing that women generally prefer the faces and bodies of men with body fat 10-15%. Getting your body fat in that range will cast a wide net. Your wife was probably just being nice about your dad bod, and would like you more with body fat of 12%. Probably, as in the statistical norm. There will be exceptions.

These concepts should inform our decisions, but shouldn't determine them. Maybe you want to be a powerlifter, and you need a solid power belly. If it's your passion, then ignore her preferences, but RP lets you know and understand what impact you are likely to have when dealing with women. There are women out there who love the big, strong bear, but most women like guys to have lower body fat.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

It's not concious. It's inferred that it is, and thats a large part of why the hens cluck when we frame them in this way.

In reality? It's all hind brain stuff. She has no idea, and allofasudden, out of nowhere, she gets hotter for you as you get leaner. Also why you can't trust her words, only her actions. She has no idea how her attraction works, so it's as useful as listening to MGTOW 2nd wave guys for dating advice

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

MGTOW 2nd wave

What are those? I haven't been reading the pill subs much for the past year, and Google just gave me a series of huge dissertations written by MGTOW cranks.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's new. Some of the EC's have been throwing it around, what with the latest TRP purge of 'pussy ain't shit, just self improve bro!' types that are shitting up the redpill subs.

The original MGTOW guys were men who had a shit divorce a la Terrence Popp, or PUA's that, after they got through their N counts, realized that it was just not worth keeping one long term. They could score, they just stepped away from anything more, thinking women weren't worth the effort.

Then this new group. It's not that they were tired of playing, they never showed up. They are incels, who got a few hard rejections, and convinced themselves 'she didn't fire me, I quit' and search for outrage porn about shitty women online. They are essentially herbavore men, without the immaculate style. I would say the xbox and weed crowd, but even a lot of those guys can still find women.

in effort to keep the groups separate, 2nd wave MGTOW became the term. It's a funny tip of the hat to shitty femenism as well.

[–]hystericalbonding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

2nd wave MGTOW

Got it.

'pussy ain't shit, just self improve bro!'

I noticed that. It's keeping the mods busy. Taking pussy off the pedestal is crucial, but ignoring rule zero defeats the purpose of the sub.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

1st wave: burned out on women
2nd wave: never even tried

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

1st wave: burned out on women 2nd wave: never even tried

TIL I was briefly a first wave MGTOW in my early 20s.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lot of idiots vacillate on one idea, not realizing the books together build a better you. The main thing we fail to see is the lifting, which is perhaps the biggest cornerstone of taking care of you

[–]anythingincRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

RP is only successful when applied to women who respond to RP tactics...If you find a woman who responds to purple pill tactics, or love languages or whatever - apply that method instead and you'll have more luck.

You're either buying into some parody of what the RP is actually about, or paying too much attention to people "complaining about bad marriages" and forming your praxis from that. There is only one word for people who don't want a self-actualized partner, and the word is "dysfunctional."

you're all just too lazy to put in the effort and time to turn your wives around.

Some women either won't turn around, or are only okay with the relationship as long as the man is content with his shitty situation. In these cases, though the man often doesn't know it yet, his improvements won't save his relationship, but they will enable him to leave and save himself and/or children, and that is okay.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Hey , I am using a hammer...why doesn't my house look like his house that he also made with a hammer?"

Boil it down to this: Did you knowingly sign up for someone who wasn't what you wanted? Or did you change and they change in response? Can you recognize how you've changed? Can you change it back. 99 times out of 100 all RP theory applied in the right way will get you results. Ducks quack. Dogs bark. Guys come in and don't want to put in the effort or put in minimal expecting miracles. There's rules of thumb of what to expect, in any system there are outliers. But you have to learn to go inward and internalize.

It's like going into a DOJO and talking about how an armbar wont work against a well place sucker punch. You train until it's ingrained into your muscles and fast twitch fibers. Worrying about what wont work, trying to explain vague scenarios and pontificating is easier than applying the time and effort.

White belts question, blue belts are good but cocky, black belts are humble motherfuckers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah... One thing that drives me insane about this sub.

AWALT is just a heuristic... Until you mention that YOUR wife isn't like that, then you get bombarded with SHE'S NOT A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE! Of COURSE she's like that!

[–]SepeanRed Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

AWALT is AWALT. They all respond to the same things. However, some women also have BPD, or they lack the willpower to leptin receptors to remain slim, or they might have any number of other of next-worthy features that make them poor companions.

There are sometimes good reason to next her, but most often people scream NEXT For the wrong reasons:

  • they're invested in or at least influenced by the minimal effort, no beta plate spinning strategy. Here nexting is both a feature and also inevitable as plates will flake from lack of beta.

  • they failed in their own marriages and to protect their ego they tell other people they can't succeed

  • they believe that women should be respectful and nexted if they're not - there can be many reasons for this, one them being that the man is high SMV and used to being treated well. It makes sense for him, but it is not good advice to give the RP newbie who might have good reason to salvage his relationship.

  • they overintepret some iron rule

Also, who cares about internal consistency? This is not a philosophy class, we're dealing with masculinity and female behavior, none of which is neatly structured or rational.

[–]mountainbiker1780 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree with your points.

who cares about internal consistency?

I do, immensely, which is why I value all of the RP blogs (eg. The Rationale Male, The Family Alpha, Illimitable Men, etc). Actually, the internal consistency is why I swallowed the RP, I finally found something that explained EVERYTHING.

[–]SepeanRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem with caring about internal consistency is that it only works if your mental model of human behavior is very accurate and you're free of cognitive biases. And that is not the case.

RP is a collection of stuff that works. I doubt much it could have been extrapolated from some core theory of mind - it was discovered by observation and trial and error. And if there is something it doesn't explain, or something that seems to be internally inconsistent, that doesn't invalidate it.

[–]Downhere_Seeds0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Next" isn't a separate concept, it's part of the red pill and while it maybe be overused sometimes, there are situations I've noticed where it applies the most: she's cheated, she's dangerous, or you are new in your relationship and she's showing signs psychopathy.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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